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Posted by Arnessa on October 27, 1996 at 22:36:38:
: : : -Arnessa (still at large).
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: : Glad to hear it Arnessa. Don't worry we will all come rescue you if the men in white coats come.
: : Ann
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: :White coat? NO, NO, NO! The green one. That'll do. (But tell them that I am NOT obsessing!)
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(hysterical laughter) If they come in the green one, I may LET them take me! No need for a rescue.
-Arnessa.
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Posted by Janet on October 27, 1996 at 23:01:40:
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: : : Then there is the line: "But your good opinion is rarely bestowed; and therefore, more worth the earning." While I absolutely love the line, I can't help but feel that it is a very presumptuous one on Davies' part. There is so much loaded meaning in it--Darcy is practically coming right out and telling Elizabeth that he wants another chance. To make up a line with so much meaning to it is a very bold thing to do.
: : This is probably partly due to the need to telescope a portion of the book that actually took place over several days into just 2 days in the film. And it does fit in well with the way CF was interpreting Darcy as explained in "The Making", in which he says that having had this unexpected meeting "he needs to prove a great deal to her in a short space of time. He needs to show her in about three minutes flat that he is prepared to be apologetic and tender and amenable and unsnobbish."
: : Joan, too
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: Yes, I've been reading the Pemberley scenes in the book and though I love how Davies handled it in the video, the various meetings and the thought processes during this time in the book are exciting. The representation of how Darcy has changed, Lizzy's recognition of it and her total about-face are delicious.
: Anne
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Seeing some of this revelation through the eyes of the Gardiners in the third person helps the condensed view of Darcy's "transformation" in the video. The Gardiners verbalize Lizzy's thoughts which are perused in the book but which she could not say herself aloud, "Can you not?" The Gardiners so quickly surmise Darcy's good nature and intentions that it reinforces and reassures us about him and what is to come. Everyone in this scene is so darling.
Don't you love Darcy's gaze as Lizzy leaves in the carriage and turns around to him - a precursor to the peak of all gazes during the next scene at the piano at Pemberley, then as she leaves in the carriage again, and later when he recalls the evening. (Sorry for jumping ahead but these scenes are so delightful).
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Posted by Candace on October 27, 1996 at 23:24:25:
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: : This brings to mind, last weekend, when my friend, Barbara, came over for the third Saturday in a row
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: LOL
: Anne
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I hate to appear so dense, but please explain "LOL" to me. I've noticed it used before, but for the life of me have not been able to figure it out.
- Candace
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Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 00:17:50:
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: : :
: : : This brings to mind, last weekend, when my friend, Barbara, came over for the third Saturday in a row
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: :
: : LOL
: : Anne
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: I hate to appear so dense, but please explain "LOL" to me. I've noticed it used before, but for the life of me have not been able to figure it out.
: - Candace
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LOL means look of longing, your server should have information about these abbervated signs BTW means by the way FYI means for you information I don't know them all
thats some of them.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Joan, too on October 28, 1996 at 00:29:57:
: LOL means look of longing, your server should have information about these abbervated signs BTW means by the way FYI means for you information I don't know them all
: thats some of them.
:
: ciao Donna
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Actually, on the lists I've seen, LOL means laughing out loud...
Joan, too
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Posted by Arnessa on October 28, 1996 at 00:31:49:
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: Oh, Cheryl -- Is not this the most beautifully done scene in the entire show? I have truly worn my tape thin from watching this over and over.
: The scenery is magnificent -- The music beautifully builds as they each spot each other -- too close to turn and run.
[snipped]
: I cannot get enough of this scene. In fact I will leave you now to watch it again.
: -Candace
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Yes, it is the most beautifully done. As I said rather too warmly once to someone who was less than enthusiastic about P&P2 (abominable conceit!), You have to be made of stone not to be moved by the meeting at Pemberley.
Looking at all the Austen adaptations, I realize I ultimately judge them not on how the acting is generally or how they capture the mood on the whole, but rather on how well they get the crucial scenes right. And most of the novels, there is only one crucial scene, therefore only one shot to get it right.
In Emma, it's Box Hill, which I think the current adaptation doesn't give enough time and space. In Persuasion, it's either the fall at Lyme or Wentworth's letter, which was just OK in the current version. In Sense and Sensibility, it's Elinor's overflow of emotion after hearing Edward's free. And I think they thought the scene could be humorous (which it isn't) as well as moving. Each of the above films has some great acting and some superb insights, but ultimately they don't reach the level of P&P2 because there's just something missing in those crucial scenes. I can forgive any and all of the little lapses in P&P2 (like Lizzy's change of heart not being adequately documented) when I watch those scenes that they got so right it almost approaches the miraculous. As you point out, even the very wind seems to be working with the filmmakers on the Pemberley scene!
-Arnessa
Posted by Sherri on October 28, 1996 at 00:35:35:
Just a thought from one here for the first time tonight, but as regards Lizzy's introduction of her aunt first - wouldn't this be appropriate etiquette to introduce the lady first, and natural, with the introduction, to mention her relation?
Sherri
Posted by Kali on October 28, 1996 at 00:54:56:
: This is one of the reasons we love Lizzy so; she has the ability to look within herself, see where she has been wrong, accept it and change. How many of us can say the same?
: Cheryl
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This is sort of along the lines of that thread from a few weeks ago - we can appreicate Darcy and Elizabeth because they learn from eachother and grow personally as a result. They can both rise to a challenge and emerge from it stronger than ever (Liz esp.). Perhaps E's greatest asset is her respect for the truth above pride.
- K
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Posted by Kali on October 28, 1996 at 01:05:19:
: I while back was having some trouble with my VCR. During this
: time I recorded two hours of random programming off of A&E. Just
: now, I was looking through the tape to see what was on it, and
: after an old country music concert, I saw the most exciting sight:
: It was a screen with the words:
: Making of Pride and Prejudice
: Needless to say, my heart began to race. Unfortunately it was
: only a 6 minute filler-piece that they were using to promote P&P2.
: It was mostly scenes from the show, but it also had some shots of
: the filming and some tiny snippets from some of the interviews.
: The longest snippet was from Bohnam-Carter (he said that they
: were told all sorts of stuff about the period, when everybody
: had soooo much time on their hands the only thing they had to do
: was wonder about who they would marry). Unfortunately the clip
: from Firth was the shortest and he didn't say anything memorable.
: It left me hungry for so much more!
: We have to get A&E to put "Making of" up for sale in their store!
: Ann
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If I remember correctly, the portion of the Firth interview they showed didn't make him look too terribly intelligent. If we got to see more, perhaps we'd get the context we need to understand exactly what he's trying to say.
- K
Posted by Kali on October 28, 1996 at 01:06:51:
: I while back was having some trouble with my VCR. During this
: time I recorded two hours of random programming off of A&E. Just
: now, I was looking through the tape to see what was on it, and
: after an old country music concert, I saw the most exciting sight:
: It was a screen with the words:
: Making of Pride and Prejudice
: Needless to say, my heart began to race. Unfortunately it was
: only a 6 minute filler-piece that they were using to promote P&P2.
: It was mostly scenes from the show, but it also had some shots of
: the filming and some tiny snippets from some of the interviews.
: The longest snippet was from Bohnam-Carter (he said that they
: were told all sorts of stuff about the period, when everybody
: had soooo much time on their hands the only thing they had to do
: was wonder about who they would marry). Unfortunately the clip
: from Firth was the shortest and he didn't say anything memorable.
: It left me hungry for so much more!
: We have to get A&E to put "Making of" up for sale in their store!
: Ann
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If I remember correctly, the portion of the Firth interview they showed didn't make him look too terribly intelligent. If we got to see more, perhaps we'd get the context we need to understand exactly what he's trying to say.
- K
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Posted by Joan, too on October 28, 1996 at 01:08:17:
: Perhaps E's greatest asset is her respect for the truth above pride.
: - K
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And also D's? "Disguise of every sort is my abhorrence." Without respect for (and recognition of) truth, neither would have been able to acknowledge their own "faults" and make the changes that were necessary for them ultimately to be united.
Joan, too
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Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 01:27:06:
: : LOL means look of longing, your server should have information about these abbervated signs BTW means by the way FYI means for you information I don't know them all
: : thats some of them.
: :
: : ciao Donna
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: Actually, on the lists I've seen, LOL means laughing out loud...
: Joan, too
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Maybe someone could list the correct meanings.
Thanks again Joan
Donna,
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Posted by Cheryl on October 28, 1996 at 01:32:58:
: : LOL means look of longing, your server should have information about these abbervated signs BTW means by the way FYI means for you information I don't know them all
: : thats some of them.
: :
: : ciao Donna
:
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: Actually, on the lists I've seen, LOL means laughing out loud...
: Joan, too
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That is what I have always took it to mean. If it is extremely funny, there is always ROTFLOL: Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud!
Cheryl
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Posted by Joan, too on October 28, 1996 at 01:43:13:
: Maybe someone could list the correct meanings.
: Thanks again Joan
: Donna,
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Well, "correct" is probably in the eye of the beholder, but these are the more "common" definitions of the "emoticons" (they are designed to look best in a sanserif mono-spaced font):
ATTACK OF THE KILLER SMILIES
Your basic smilies:
:-) Your basic smilie. This smilie is used to inflect a
sarcastic remark or joking statement.
;-) Winking smilie. User just made a flirtatious and/or
sarcastic remark. More of a "don't hit me for what I
just said" smilie.
:-( Frowning smilie. User did not like that last statement
or is upset or depressed about something.
:-| Indifferent smilie. Better than a frowning smilie, but
not quite as good as a happy smilie.
:-> User just made a really biting sarcastic remark.
>:-> User just made a really devilish remark.
>;-> User just made a very lewd remark.
>:-< User is mad.
Less common smilies:
(-: User is left-handed.
%-) User has been staring at a green screen for 15 hours.
:*) User is drunk.
[:] User is a robot.
8-) User is wearing sunglasses.
B:-) Sunglasses on head.
::-) User wears normal glasses.
B-) User wears horn-rimmed glasses.
8:-) User is a little girl.
:-{) User has a mustache.
:-{} User wears lipstick.
{:-) User wears a toupee.
}:-( Toupee in an updraft.
:-[ User is a vampire.
:-E Bucktoothed vampire.
:-F Bucktoothed vampire with one tooth missing.
:-7 User just made a wry statement.
:_) User's nose is sliding off his face.
:<) User is from an Ivy League school.
:-& User is toungue-tied.
=:-) User is a hosehead
-:-) User is a puck rocker.
-:-( (Real punk rockers don't smile.)
:=) User has two noses.
+-:-) User is the pope or holds some other teligious office.
`:-) User shaved one of his eyebrows off this morning.
,:-) Same thing, other side.
!-| User is asleep.
!-O User is yawning/snoring.
:-Q User is a smoker.
:-? User smokes a pipe
O-) Megaton Man On Patrol! (or else user is a scuba diver.)
O:-) User is an angel. (at heart, anyway)
:-P User is sticking toungue out.
:-S User just made an incoherent remark.
:-D User is laughing. (at you?)
:-X User's lips are sealed.
:-C User is really bummed.
:-/ User is skeptical.
C=:-) User is a chef.
@= User is pro-nuclear war.
*<:-) User is wearing a Santa Claus hat.
:-o Uh oh!
(8-o It's Mr. Bill!
*:o) And Bozo the Clown!
3:] Pet smilie.
3:[ Not a pet smilie.
d8= Your beaver is wearing a hard hat and goggles.
E-:-) User is a ham radio operator.
:-9 User is licking his/her lips.
%-6 User is brain dead.
[:-) User is wearing a walkman.
(:| User is an egghead.
<:-| User is a dunce.
K:P User is a little kid wearing a propeller beanie.
@:-) User is wearing a turban.
:-: Mutant smilie.
The invisible smilie.
.-) User has one eye.
,-) Ditto, but user is winking.
X-( User just died.
Mini-smilies:
:) Happy.
:] Gleep, a friendly smilie who will gladly be your friend.
=) Variation on a theme...
:D Laughing.
:| Hmmm...
:( Sad.
:[ Real downer.
:O Yelling
:,( Crying.
{} Hugs.
:* Kisses.
!| Asleep.
!^O Snoring.
:-` Smilie spitting out its chewing tobacco.
:-1 Smilie with a bland face.
:-@ Smilie face screaming.
:-#! Smilie with a bushy mustache.
:-$ Smilie with his/her mouth wired shut.
:-% Smilie banker.
:-6 Smilie after eathing something sour. (or just plain bad)
:^) Smilie with a pointy nose.
8-) Smilie swimmer.
:-& Cat got smilie's toungue. (smilie is toungue-tied.)
+:-) Smilie priest.
:-q Smilie trying to touch his/her nose with toungue.
:-e Disappointed smilie.
:-t Cross smilie.
:-i Semi-smilie.
:-s Smilie after a bizarre comment.
:-j Left-smiling smilie.
:-! "Have an ordinary day" smilie.
Mega-smilies:
C=}>;*{)) A drunk, devilish chef with a toupee in an
updraft, a mustache and a double chin.
}:^#}) Updrafted bushy-mustached pointy-nosed smilie with
a beard and a double chin.
=:-)< Chin up.
Other smilies:
:-# Braces.
:-8( Condescending stare.
o-> Male.
o+ Female.
8 Infinity.
If you liked ATTACK OF THE KILLER SMILIES, please e-mail me at JameSOLT. This has been formatted for a Macintosh with Monaco 12 font. Mostly taken from an article in the Lowell Sun (September 7, 1993, pg. 55)
[Note that the author's complete address was not included here, which is probably just as well, since it has probably changed since 1993. ;-) ]
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Posted by Joan, too on October 28, 1996 at 01:47:06:
: : Maybe someone could list the correct meanings.
: : Thanks again Joan
: : Donna,
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Oops - I though that the acronym explanations were attached to this file, but as the above scrolled by I noticed that it isn't. And I can't seem to find it on my hard drive. I will look in my archives, but meanwhile, maybe somebody has it more readily available?
Joan, too
Posted by Ann2 on October 28, 1996 at 01:48:40:
: : : :
: : : : like a bad game of clue...Mrs. Mustard, in the bedroom, with
: : : : the pool cue). Granted she was following a noise but could she have
: : : : been followingas something else? This I cannot understand fully, is it a rhyme or... not a child one I should imagine..(I´m Swedish we must understand..)
: r>___________________
: This is a reference to a board game "Clue" where a murder has been committed and you have to solve the crime through a series of clues and determine the room in which the murder took place, the weapon used, and the murderer, hence "Miss Scarlet did it with a rope in the billard room."
: Cheryl
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Aah *now* I understand, much obliged to you Cheryl. This I played back in the fifties, it was called The Sherlock Holmes Game then in Sweden." How humiliating that I did not grasp it, I who have valued myself on my abilities" (Just a loose quote).
Ann2
Posted by Cheryl on October 28, 1996 at 01:59:40:
Joan, too, I just got the wickedest crick in my neck looking at and trying to decipher all those emoticons! That posting should come with a warning label! ;-P
Cheryl
Posted by Ann2 on October 28, 1996 at 02:24:01:
: : : : " he tries to be really nice to her after that and inquires about Jane he compares her with Georgiana"
Yes and Caroline had tried to put her own height on his mind and she obviously means she has got most of those accomplishments she mentions so eloqently, but he points out the importance of extensive reding. You are rigth, Donna it is obvious that he prefers Miss EB to Miss CB.(Ann2)
" that his way of being nice and again about reading. Lizzie won't forgive for his remark that makes him all the more intrigued.That is what leds me to believe that he knows she heard him. He at that moment wishes he never said what he said, because now he is becoming attracted to her livliness of mind. It was not just the way she looked."
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: : : : Thanks Donna
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : At the end of this scene Darcy is staring at Lizzy. I can't
: : : quite get a handle on what is going through his head. Any
: : : opinions?
: : : Ann
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: : I believe that he is just in AWE. Who is this woman?..and Does she not seem to be her own woman...more concerned with her own opinions than his? This has never happened to him before. He is definately awe struck.
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: Yes, Someone actually challenging his pronouncement. It's rather like when Lady C. stares at Lizzie when she has her own opinion about her sisters coming out. But don't you think there is an element in what Darcy says (about ladies needing to read books to improve their minds) that shows he is trying to rescue her from the snubs of the Bingley sisters. After all, she is the one reading, and he knows that Caroline's interest in books only a superfical ploy to make him interested in her.
: Hilary
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Thanks for nicely put and thougthawakening remarks. That bit about how neither Darcy nor Lady C. has ever met with such outspokenness in a young person, and one beneath them to be sure, was keenly observed.
Ann2
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Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 02:38:48:
: : : : : " he tries to be really nice to her after that and inquires about Jane he compares her with Georgiana"
: Yes and Caroline had tried to put her own height on his mind and she obviously means she has got most of those accomplishments she mentions so eloqently, but he points out the importance of extensive reding. You are rigth, Donna it is obvious that he prefers Miss EB to Miss CB.(Ann2)
: " that his way of being nice and again about reading. Lizzie won't forgive for his remark that makes him all the more intrigued.That is what leds me to believe that he knows she heard him. He at that moment wishes he never said what he said, because now he is becoming attracted to her livliness of mind. It was not just the way she looked."
: : : :
: : : : : Thanks Donna
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : : At the end of this scene Darcy is staring at Lizzy. I can't
: : : : quite get a handle on what is going through his head. Any
: : : : opinions?
: : : : Ann
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : :
: : : I believe that he is just in AWE. Who is this woman?..and Does she not seem to be her own woman...more concerned with her own opinions than his? This has never happened to him before. He is definately awe struck.
: :
: : ___________________
: : Yes, Someone actually challenging his pronouncement. It's rather like when Lady C. stares at Lizzie when she has her own opinion about her sisters coming out. But don't you think there is an element in what Darcy says (about ladies needing to read books to improve their minds) that shows he is trying to rescue her from the snubs of the Bingley sisters. After all, she is the one reading, and he knows that Caroline's interest in books only a superfical ploy to make him interested in her.
: : Hilary
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: ___________________
: Thanks for nicely put and thougthawakening remarks. That bit about how neither Darcy nor Lady C. has ever met with such outspokenness in a young person, and one beneath them to be sure, was keenly observed.
: Ann2
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I didn't think about how CB was comparing herself to GD yes he rescued Lizzie from those to idiots by comparing Lizzie to GD. That's what the whole scene was about. Very good indeed.
Thanks Donna
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Posted by Donna on October 28, 1996 at 02:50:46:
: : : : : : " he tries to be really nice to her after that and inquires about Jane he compares her with Georgiana"
: : Yes and Caroline had tried to put her own height on his mind and she obviously means she has got most of those accomplishments she mentions so eloqently, but he points out the importance of extensive reding. You are rigth, Donna it is obvious that he prefers Miss EB to Miss CB.(Ann2)
: : " that his way of being nice and again about reading. Lizzie won't forgive for his remark that makes him all the more intrigued.That is what leds me to believe that he knows she heard him. He at that moment wishes he never said what he said, because now he is becoming attracted to her livliness of mind. It was not just the way she looked."
: : : : :
: : : : : : Thanks Donna
: : : : :
: : : : : ___________________
: : : : : At the end of this scene Darcy is staring at Lizzy. I can't
: : : : : quite get a handle on what is going through his head. Any
: : : : : opinions?
: : : : : Ann
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : :
: : : : I believe that he is just in AWE. Who is this woman?..and Does she not seem to be her own woman...more concerned with her own opinions than his? This has never happened to him before. He is definately awe struck.
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : Yes, Someone actually challenging his pronouncement. It's rather like when Lady C. stares at Lizzie when she has her own opinion about her sisters coming out. But don't you think there is an element in what Darcy says (about ladies needing to read books to improve their minds) that shows he is trying to rescue her from the snubs of the Bingley sisters. After all, she is the one reading, and he knows that Caroline's interest in books only a superfical ploy to make him interested in her.
: : : Hilary
: :
: : ___________________
: : Thanks for nicely put and thougthawakening remarks. That bit about how neither Darcy nor Lady C. has ever met with such outspokenness in a young person, and one beneath them to be sure, was keenly observed.
: : Ann2
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: I didn't think about how CB was comparing herself to GD yes he rescued Lizzie from those to idiots by comparing Lizzie to GD. That's what the whole scene was about. Very good indeed.
: Thanks Donna
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Also I think it would be better if CB was heartboken over the loss of MR.DARCY I rather see her suffer, but of course it not of her great accomplishments.
Donna
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