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Posted by Anne on October 26, 1996 at 18:48:30:
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: Thank you, Anne. Guess I need to read the book all the way through again, rather than just reading and re-reading my favorite parts!
: Tommye
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I bought a paperback so as to write notes on the pages. The
white soup comment is underlined because I didn't know what it was either. I find that not only am I going to have to underline and notate, I am going to have to put post-its on the pages as tabs.
(sometimes I feel like I need a life but then I realize that I'm happy the way I am.)
Anne
Posted by Anne on October 26, 1996 at 18:49:56:
: : I expected him to rip the fabric on the table with the force of the shot.
: : Anne
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: He has a little temper wouldn't you say.
: ciao Donna
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To say the least, he is hot blooded. But then he makes my blood warm too.
Anne
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Posted by Joan, too on October 26, 1996 at 18:53:06:
: Does it bother anyone else how non-confrontive everyone is in P&P?
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: People just made assumptions about others all over the place, and few bothered to check out the facts. Then, when they got the facts, they still didn't confront!
: Most frustrating!
: Tommye
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I suspect that it would have beeen considered most ungenteel to allow one's behavior to sink down to the level of a slimeball such as Wickham. One probably "bested" him by demonstrating how well and truly they, as gentlefolk, were able to maintain their civility in the face of such obvious temptation to do otherwise.
Joan, too
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Posted by Anne on October 26, 1996 at 18:58:40:
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Welcome to our little group. Feel free to contribute at any time.
Anne
Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 19:26:22:
: : Does it bother anyone else how non-confrontive everyone is in P&P?
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: : People just made assumptions about others all over the place, and few bothered to check out the facts. Then, when they got the facts, they still didn't confront!
: : Most frustrating!
: : Tommye
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: I suspect that it would have beeen considered most ungenteel to allow one's behavior to sink down to the level of a slimeball such as Wickham. One probably "bested" him by demonstrating how well and truly they, as gentlefolk, were able to maintain their civility in the face of such obvious temptation to do otherwise.
: Joan, too
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Yeah, I know you're right Joan, too (it feels odd addressing someone as Joan, too. I know the reason, but still...) and you are a better man than I, Gunga Din, to be so forebearing. But I'm with Tommye, I want Darcy to punch his lights out!
A while back we came up with some punishments for several of the more unlikeable characters and it has just occurred to me that Wickham emerged from that thread unscathed! How did we let that happen?! So what would be a suitable punishment for the cad? Perhaps since he was disposed to run away with Lydia he should be forced to spend every waking moment locked up with her in a tiny, dingy flat, in the seediest part of London for all eternity! Ha! Ha! Ha! (evil laughter)
Cheryl
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Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 19:37:32:
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: : : I expected him to rip the fabric on the table with the force of the shot.
: : : Anne
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: : He has a little temper wouldn't you say.
: : ciao Donna
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: To say the least, he is hot blooded. But then he makes my blood warm too.
: Anne
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Ooooo Baby, Ooooo Baby. Have you noticed how the tone of this BB has changed since Amy left on her vacation? It's like Mom is gone and we've raided the liquor cabinet and are having a party. But remember she did say she would check in on us. Don't *make* her have to come down here and clean us up!
Cheryl
Posted by Janet on October 26, 1996 at 19:38:08:
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: : : Bingley has a great time with the most beatiful girl in the room and then wants Darcy to stand up with a less attractive girl.In the Making of P&P Colin Firth says that Darcy probably wasa little jealous of Bingley that moment ater all
: : : Drcy was richer and more handsome and here Bingley has got the prettiest girl.So he certainly does not want to take the second best.
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: Maybe he was a little jealous, but I think that the statement was more of an excuse. I don't think that he would have been spending a lot of attention on Jane if Bingley hadn't. The crowd was just not "his sort of people".
: Just a thought.
: Anne
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Besides, Jane "smiles too much" for Darcy.
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Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 19:42:55:
: Grace
: P.S. May I also compliment you on your ladylike discretion in not even whispering about the equine element of the thread.....evidence of elegant breeding indeed!
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Not even on a bet, dear Grace!
Cheryl
Posted by hat on October 26, 1996 at 20:30:22:
: : ..... they sounded entirely American!
: : : : Horrors!
: : : : Ann
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: : : ___________________........ kids born and brought up in MK have developed an accent of their own which is a hybrid between American and Australian (something to do with the kind of TV they watch). I have a hard time understanding what they are trying to say a lot of the time!
: : : Bernie
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Is it because of the soaps?
: : Hilary
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: Yes! They are brought up on a diet of Neighbours, Home and Away, A Country Practice and a few others I just can't recall. By the way, Neighbours gets one of the highest viewing ratings week in week out. Scary isn't it!!
: Bernie
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Yes, it is scary. I knew our soaps had high ratings in the UK, but I had no idea so high, and that the influence was going as far as accents. We are used to grumbling about cultural imperialism only going one way - from the states to here!
Hilary
Posted by Joan, too on October 26, 1996 at 20:31:42:
: Cheryl:
: Yeah, I know you're right Joan, too (it feels odd addressing someone as Joan, too. I know the reason, but still...) and you are a better man than I, Gunga Din, to be so forebearing. But I'm with Tommye, I want Darcy to punch his lights out!
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But think about this for a moment. While I would not wish to return to the society of the early 1800s, there *are* some aspects of that societal behavior which we could do better by imitating. As a society we are far too quick to punch one another's lights out, and now that that activity has become so acceptable, the continuum has slipped far too far over in that direction and we have kids killing one another over nothing at all. Too many of us have lost all ability to be forebearing about anything, no matter how trivial, and society is decidedly7 not the better for it!
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Posted by hat on October 26, 1996 at 20:45:09:
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: : : : Rose, do Kiwis use the word 'daggy'?
: : : : Just curious.
: : : : Hilary
: : Kiwis definitely use the word 'daggy'.
: : : Hope that helps,
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: : Thanks, I thought you probably did, but you can't always predict what has filtered across the Tasman Sea, in either direction. I am wondering where you and Rose and Lisa are in NZ, but I don't have to know. Our family had a wonderful 2 weeks in NZ two Easters ago. We went from Wellington up through all the 'hot spots', luckily travelling with friends who could show us wonderful places like Ketitahi Springs. Then we had a week travelling on the south island. Didn't get down as far as Queenstown, but loved the west coast and glacier country. Love to visit there again sometime.
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: Hi,
: I'm in Wellington! Wonderful weather here today - no clouds and lots of hot sun. We definitely use the word daggy, and 'a bit of a dag' meaning a real character.
: Get to Queenstown next time and further South as the scenery is wonderful. I've been meaning to get to Milford for years.
: Perhaps we should have an Australasian version of PP?
: Cheers
: Rose
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Hi, Rose,
Milford is definitely on the list for next time!
Do you mean an Australasian version of the BB? If this BB got too big I think it would be a good idea, but right now I'm really enjoying the fact that a lot of the others are in other places in the world. I think it opens me up to other influences and viewpoints and I love that aspect of it.
Cheers,
Hilary
Posted by hat on October 26, 1996 at 21:06:25:
Do you suppose Lizzy's face across the table will have the opposite effect - will it cure him of the habit of stalking around and staring out of windows at breakfast?) Grace
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: : I think he will definitely remain seated when they are having breakfast alone... that is if his appetite can be satisfied with tea and toast and maybe some occasional meatloaf. If that be not the case he might rise...
: : Ann2
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: : Superb line, Ann! Daggier by the minute! Hilary will be proud of you.
: Truly impressed, Grace
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I certainly am. And I am restraining my fingers on the keyboard...
Hilary
Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 21:20:02:
: But think about this for a moment. While I would not wish to return to the society of the early 1800s, there *are* some aspects of that societal behavior which we could do better by imitating. As a society we are far too quick to punch one another's lights out, and now that that activity has become so acceptable, the continuum has slipped far too far over in that direction and we have kids killing one another over nothing at all. Too many of us have lost all ability to be forebearing about anything, no matter how trivial, and society is decidedly7 not the better for it!
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Of course you are right, and I think the personal civility of the era and Jane Austen's writing is one of the things that draw us to it. We can all benefit from keeping our hands and our mouths to ourselves, but can't I still at least *think* about knocking Wickham upside his head? ;)
Cheryl
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Posted by Jane A. on October 26, 1996 at 21:51:45:
Laura, you deserve to be treated like a fairy princess! I feel like I know you from reading your postings, that's how I know. As for my "people noticing" story, I was watching the World Series with my husband, and I said, "I don't know why they show us all these close-ups of the coaches. They are very unattractive". My husband said, "You're right. When they have time to show the coach, they should just put up a picture of Colin Firth instead". And I thought I was hiding my addiction pretty well. Sigh. But I do think he has a good idea about the Firth pictures.
Jane
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Posted by Joan, too on October 26, 1996 at 21:56:05:
: We can all benefit from keeping our hands and our mouths to ourselves, but can't I still at least *think* about knocking Wickham upside his head? ;)
: Cheryl
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Of course - and with the greatest of pleasure! Few were ever more deserving. ;-)
Joan, too
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Posted by Rose on October 26, 1996 at 22:05:09:
: : We can all benefit from keeping our hands and our mouths to ourselves, but can't I still at least *think* about knocking Wickham upside his head? ;)
: : Cheryl
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: Of course - and with the greatest of pleasure! Few were ever more deserving. ;-)
: Joan, too
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I wonder if JA came upon the name Wickham because it sounds like Wicked?
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 22:45:32:
: As for my "people noticing" story, I was watching the World Series with my husband, and I said, "I don't know why they show us all these close-ups of the coaches. They are very unattractive". My husband said, "You're right. When they have time to show the coach, they should just put up a picture of Colin Firth instead". And I thought I was hiding my addiction pretty well. Sigh. But I do think he has a good idea about the Firth pictures.
: Jane
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What a hoot! We are all so pathetic, taking such care to conceal our obsession, but having friends and family see right through us to our eternal surprise; not unlike Darcy who thinks no one knows how attracted he is to Lizzy. Well, at least we are in good company! (both in Jane Austen's world and our own little BB world)
Cheryl
Posted by Donna on October 26, 1996 at 23:54:04:
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: : : You think? She is so irrational in her wooing tactics that I do believe she possesses an obsession for Darcy near equal to Darcy's for Lizzy.
: : : Amy
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: : JA say that Miss Bingley was so humilated with Mr.Darcy marriage. So she couldn't ever really been in love with him.
: : Then this is why she could be around him in Elizabeth company.I don't know how she could have been only out for the money and positon,because in her eyes he is perfect. She tries to persuade Lizzie that his action were justified towards Whickham. When Lizzie wanted to laugh at him she said tease clamness of temper and presence of mind. He is not in her mind a subject to be laughed at.She wasn't on an intimate level with him like she would like everyone to believe, including Lizzie. Poor girl I don't know how she ever got over him.
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: : Thanks Donna
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: Yours is a warm heart Donna. Your
: concern for Miss Bingley is truly angelic!
: Ann2
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My after thought then is that she really and truely is a very shallow person.
Thanks Donna
Posted by Ann on October 27, 1996 at 00:10:13:
: Butwhen Lizzy first met Georgiana she had "expected to find in her as acute and unembarrassed an observer as ever Mr Darcy had been". I take the point made about Col. Fitzwilliam - I had forgotten that he told Lizzy that he had heard so much about her, and it's highly unlikely that Miss Bingley would have missed any opportunity to bring up Darcy's partiality for Elizabeth, especially when Georgiana was around.
: Saman
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Keep in mind that Fitzwilliam's comment that he had heard
much of her was in P&P2 only, and not in the original Austen.
Ann
Posted by Marsha on October 27, 1996 at 00:13:52:
of that wonderful movie! Are there any other books that are similar to JA's that are a real good read? I just finished A Long Fatal Love Chase so I am looking for another adventure! Thanks, Sarah
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Georgett Heyer is pretty good for that time period, & is very funny- she has some comedies ans some adventures, and she wrote a LOT- so it will occupy a considerable time!
Marsha (a first-year Cornell student)
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