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Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 07:14:21:
: I always thought that the filmakers did a good job in separating the family. In many scenes you get Lizzy and Jane (and Mr. B) together and (Mrs. B) Kitty and Lydia together. Mary seems to be left out by both sides.
: For example, at dinner Jane and Lizzy are on either side of Mr. B, while Lydia, Kitty and Mrs. B at the other end, Mary in the middle.
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I always thought that the dinner seating arrangements were done according to age and therefore rank; the oldest closest to the head of the table beside Mr. Bennet. You notice that when Mr. Collins joins them, that he is placed next to Mr. Bennet as the most important person next to the head of the family and everyone else moves down a place. Introductions are done in the same manner, by age.
But it is also, as you say, a good visual reminder of the parents relationship to the children, I am sure Mr. Bennet paid more attention to his eldest children's upbringing and eventually lost the interest or inclination with the younger ones who were then left solely to their mother's care.
Cheryl
Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 07:41:02:
: I love this scene as well. It really adds to the chance meeting. But, I can't figure out how he can get inside, out of the wet clothes, dried off and into others and out to the carriage in the time it takes Lizzy and the Gardiners to get to the carriage since they head for it immediately after the encounter.
: Linda
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Cheryl
Posted by Ann2 on October 26, 1996 at 09:18:27:
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: : like a bad game of clue...Mrs. Mustard, in the bedroom, with
: : the pool cue). Granted she was following a noise but could she have
: : been followingas something else? This I cannot understand fully, is it a rhyme or... not a child one I should imagine..(I´m Swedish we must understand..)
: When Mrs. B, Lydia & Kitty visits & Mrs. B, in typical form, insults her hosts (specifically Darcy), could Darcy have taken Lizzie's defending him as a positive sign of her interest?
: : Jak
Wouldn´t you have under similar circumstances? He is almost certain that she would be happy at the prospect of securing so high a prize in the marriage contest as Mr Darcy of Pemberley.And we all tend to see what we expect. Lizzy did for one.
Ann2
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Posted by Grace on October 26, 1996 at 09:24:09:
: : : : : I have a feeling the London house on Grosvenor Square is Mr Hurst's only home.: Amy
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: : : and since he married Louisa for her money, he probably won the Grosvener-street house in a card game. The one thing that he seems to do well (excluding drinking and sleeping) is play cards.
: : : : Joan, too
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: : : Are you not a bit unjust to Mr Hurst? Remember his gargantuic(?) appetite at Netherfield, when everyone else is commenting on mud and brigth eyes, he gets his chance to take two gigantic pieces of meat loaf and extinct them before long no doubt.
: : : Ann2
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: : : : Given Mr. Hurst's table manners, it is no wonder
: : Mr. Darcy prefers not to sit down across from him at breakfast. (Do you suppose Lizzy's face across the table will have the opposite effect - will it cure him of the habit of stalking around and staring out of windows at breakfast?) Grace
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: I think he will definitely remain seated when they are having breakfast alone... that is if his appetite can be satisfied with tea and toast and maybe some occasional meatloaf. If that be not the case he might rise...
: Ann2
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: Superb line, Ann! Daggier by the minute! Hilary will be proud of you.
Truly impressed, Grace
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Posted by Grace on October 26, 1996 at 09:37:11:
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: : : : : I was the same way about the book, couldn't put it down.
: : : : Grace
: : : : P.S. I share your desire for happy endings - maybe that's another reason I love Austen!
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: : : Do you know when the movie will be showing?
: : : Well I am SO glad to be back!
: : : Marsha
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: : Wow I'm impressed reading Gone with the Wind in a week. A smaller book I read recently was 'The Horse Whisperer'.
: : Cheers
: : Rose
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: Grace
Imagine Lizzy exploring his library!
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: I am disappointed in all of you. I handed you the perfect straight line above and no one picked up the ball and ran with it. Must I do everything myself?:
Imagine Lizzy exploring his library! How she admires his volumes! Drawn to the novel, she can't wait to get between the covers!
Fondly, Grace
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Posted by Roxi on October 26, 1996 at 10:38:26:
: : Did A&E list the other winners?
: : mich
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: If they did, there'e no link to it and I didn't come across it. During the time that the contest was running, they had posted a snail mail address that anyone who wanted a list of winners could write to to get it, but that isn't there any more, either.
: Joan, too
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Posted by Roxi on October 26, 1996 at 10:44:40:
: : Did A&E list the other winners?
: : mich
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: If they did, there'e no link to it and I didn't come across it. During the time that the contest was running, they had posted a snail mail address that anyone who wanted a list of winners could write to to get it, but that isn't there any more, either.
: Joan, too
The list is available at this address:
Winner's List
London Literary Sweepstakes
P.O. Box 10249
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Posted by Candace on October 26, 1996 at 11:53:33:
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: : : : : : I was the same way about the book, couldn't put it down.
: : : : : Grace
: : : : : P.S. I share your desire for happy endings - maybe that's another reason I love Austen!
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: : : : Do you know when the movie will be showing?
: : : : Well I am SO glad to be back!
: : : : Marsha
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: : : Wow I'm impressed reading Gone with the Wind in a week. A smaller book I read recently was 'The Horse Whisperer'.
: : : Cheers
: : : Rose
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: : Grace
: Imagine Lizzy exploring his library!
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: : I am disappointed in all of you. I handed you the perfect straight line above and no one picked up the ball and ran with it. Must I do everything myself?:
: Imagine Lizzy exploring his library! How she admires his volumes! Drawn to the novel, she can't wait to get between the covers!
: Fondly, Grace
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Grace -- You are sooo bad!!! I truly love it!!!
I confess, I was hesitate to show my own colors so soon after the "Daggy" thread. But how on earth could any women ever resist the temptation to expound on the obvious mental picture that you properly put there. Isn't this fun!!
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Posted by Candace on October 26, 1996 at 12:06:45:
: : Then when she is at Nfield when she walks into the billard room she snubs him again,then he tries to be really nice to her after that and inquires about Jane one more thing he compares her with Georgiana that his way of being nice and again about reading. Lizzie won't forgive for his remark that makes him all the more intrigued.That is what leds me to believe that he knows she heard him. He at that moment wishes he never said what he said, because now he is becoming attracted to her livliness of mind. I was not just the way she looked.
: : This is what I feel the movie is trying to convey. The book is another story.
: : Thanks Donna
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: At the end of this scene Darcy is staring at Lizzy. I can't
: quite get a handle on what is going through his head. Any
: opinions?
: Ann
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I believe that he is just in AWE. Who is this woman?...and Does she not seem to be her own woman...more concerned with her own opinions than his? This has never happened to him before. He is definately awe struck.
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Posted by Candace on October 26, 1996 at 12:21:31:
: : : : : : It is unfortunate that the script writers/film editors did not
: : : : : : include/leave in the following:
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: : : : : : "A man who had felt less might."
: : : : : : Close your eyes and imagine Colin Firth's Darcy saying this Is it not enough to make one sweat?
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: : : Though I must admit that line to be a definite favourite of mine, it would not have made as much sense in P&P2, as they only met once before the second proposal.Whereas in the novel Darcy is a dinner guest, and carries his coffea cup back to her and...sigh.*We* would have loved to watch six more hours but they might not have been true to the artistic concept of the film makers.
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: : Yes, it does seem that the filming did need to stop eventually -- but -- I thought that since they had taken us all through so much of the story thatit ended so abruptly.Two more hours would have been enough to exhibit at least one more scene of the shyness between the two before the engagement and then the courtship. One of my favorite parts in the book is when Lizzie is telling Darcy why he loves her. (Candace)
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: I could not agree more on this subject. I have always felt a bit cheated when the final kiss comes. After all those wonderful additional scenes, we were led to expect more. But maybe the producers could not foresee this audience of devoted Darcy and Lizzy-attraction/repulsion-lovers that were to commit hours and hours to every glance and headmovement. I have said it before but I still think some small caress and one ardent kiss on the hand would have been wastely preferred to the
: carriage kiss... if you could not get a little of both. This is a delight where a little *does not* go a long way.
: Ann2
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I belive that your comment on "hours & hours" is the material point. Television in general (at least American Television) does not believe that we would sit through hours and hours of a mini series done beautifully and artistically...BUT they do subject us to hours and hours of "sick" topic mini series of our fears...ie "I want my baby back" topics. Maybe our little following, if brought to the attention of the "Hollywood Good Old Boys" would show them that women do not want to be reminded of their fears, but want to escape from them and watch something beautiful (visually as well as the dialoge) and done well. After all P&P2 was the highest rated show ever televised on A&E.
Wow, I'm really sorry that I went off like this. Thanks for listening!
- Candace
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Posted by Candace on October 26, 1996 at 12:59:48:
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: :
: : I'm in Sacramento -- It seems that there is a whole group of us in Northern California. Wouldn't it be cool to all meet for "Tea" in San Francisco sometime??? Let me know if anyone is interested -- and maybe possible dates for such a meeting!
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: Sounds like a plan! I'm up for just about anytime.
: Hope to see you soon,
: Kali
: (e-mail me!)
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Kali--
I would love to E-Mail you but I do not know your address. If your address is obvious someplace, please excuse me. I am so new to all this computer stuff. Very illiterite. I am however learning as I go. My address is: lcnlew@ix.netcom.com.
I am really looking forward to a meeting of us JA "junkies". Would scheduling this too soon before the holidays be a problem? I will be in San Francisco on December 20th for our Office Xmas Party. I could stay over and we could do Tea on December 21st. If this is not convenient for any who want to meet, anytime in January is also good for me. I never turn down an excuss to go to town. Is there anyone else out there who want to join us??? Please take every opportunity in enjoying yourself!
- Candace
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Posted by Linda on October 26, 1996 at 13:16:39:
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: : I also imagine him ripping of his shirt as he runs upstairs,
: : leaving a trail of giggling maids behind him.
: : As for having enough time, all he has to do is take off what
: : is left of his clothes and get his shirt and pants on, then
: : tie his tie (maybe). Everything else he could do on the fly--
: : we see him only getting his coat on as he comes back out of
: : the house. (I do question how he would have had the time or
: : the care to get his watch in place though.)
: : Ann
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: I think it was a long walk for Lizzie and her aunt and uncle from were he met Lizzie. He zooms upthe stairs {he as those long legs}three steps at a time. As he comes back down stairs he meets Mrs. Reynolds she is telling him that she had company and he said "Yes I know it is the woman I want to marry." I think this time he managed his watch quite well, usually it is not in the same place.
: ciao, Donna
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I knew you'd be able to explain it to my satisfaction. I'm going to watch it again with these descriptions in mind.
Thanks.
Linda
Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 13:20:28:
: : I am disappointed in all of you. I handed you the perfect straight line above and no one picked up the ball and ran with it. Must I do everything myself?:
: Imagine Lizzy exploring his library! How she admires his volumes! Drawn to the novel, she can't wait to get between the covers!
: Fondly, Grace
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I was going to refrain from the obvious comments, but since you insist Grace, and you know I would by no means suspend any pleasure of yours; I am sure that Darcy's volumes are all bound in leather, making them pleasant to the touch, with that manly, leather scent filling the library, that his shelves are very full and massive without a speck of dust, showing that they are put to frequent and good use, but I am sure that Lizzy will find some favorite areas of the library that she will wish to return to again and again...
Are we happy, Grace?
Cheryl
Posted by Cheryl on October 26, 1996 at 13:26:06:
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: : : like a bad game of clue...Mrs. Mustard, in the bedroom, with
: : : the pool cue). Granted she was following a noise but could she have
: : : been followingas something else? This I cannot understand fully, is it a rhyme or... not a child one I should imagine..(I´m Swedish we must understand..)
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This is a reference to a board game "Clue" where a murder has been committed and you have to solve the crime through a series of clues and determine the room in which the murder took place, the weapon used, and the murderer, hence "Miss Scarlet did it with a rope in the billard room."
Cheryl
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Posted by Anne on October 26, 1996 at 13:30:11:
: What was this scene all about anyway?
: Darcy says something like, "I will overcome it."
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There are varying views on this statement. Some feel that the 'it' that he will overcome is his love for Lizzy. Some feel that 'it' is his attitude/pride that Lizzy found so hateful - in other words that he will get over 'it' and become a better person. Since this scene was written for the screen (and not by JA), it is left to the viewer to decide.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 26, 1996 at 13:37:04:
: : Grace
: Imagine Lizzy exploring his library!
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: : I am disappointed in all of you. I handed you the perfect straight line above and no one picked up the ball and ran with it. Must I do everything myself?:
: Imagine Lizzy exploring his library! How she admires his volumes! Drawn to the novel, she can't wait to get between the covers!
: Fondly, Grace
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Dearest Grace -- I got line exactly as you replied to it,
however, you responded yourself before I had a chance to see the original posting. I normally would have been on *much*
earlier and would have responded to your satisfaction but have spent the morning watching my weekly tapings of Beauty
and the Beast (I have other obsessions).
Will endeavor to be more timely in the future.
Anne
Posted by Carol on October 26, 1996 at 13:37:58:
Just re-watched (for the gazillionth time) my P&P tapes yesterday and thought you all might be interested in this bit of news. Have any of you seen the new Jane Austen Mystery Series (books) by Stephanie Barron in your bookstores? The books are wonderfully written (and very well reviewed in the New York Times) and traces Jane's intersection with fictional people who Austen then uses in her novels. Darcy/Firth is introduced in the first, Jane and the Unpleasantness at Scargrave Manor. I have the good fortune to know the author Stephanie Barron aka Francine Mathews, and am currently reading the galley of the second volume, which is set in Lyme. Just thought I'd pass it on to you, since like myself and Stephanie Barron, we can't get enough of Jane! I think I'm correct in saying that the producer of MYSTERY on PBS has just optioned her first two books. Anyway, Happy reading. Oh, and that blonde woman in line in front of you at The English Patient will be me!! PS Email me at CABBWWW@aol.com and I "may" be able to help with questions you have about the books.
Posted by Anne on October 26, 1996 at 13:44:44:
: : At the end of this scene Darcy is staring at Lizzy. I can't
: : quite get a handle on what is going through his head. Any
: : opinions?
: : Ann
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: I think that the red billiard ball said it all. ;-)
: Joan, too
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I expected him to rip the fabric on the table with the force of the shot.
Anne
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Posted by Ann on October 26, 1996 at 14:22:51:
: : Saman:
: : There is a sentence which I think sums up perfectly the personalities of Bingley, Darcy and Georgiana - "Bingley was ready, Georgiana was eager, and Darcy determined, to be pleased". Now that says to me that Georgiana knew something of how highly Darcy regarded Elizabeth, but for the life of me I can't imagine Darcy ever saying so outright to the sister whom he regards more like a daughter, nor can I see Georgiana being perceptive enough to realise how Darcy felt about Lizzy.
: Well, it's clear that Darcy has talked quite a bit about Lizzy to some members of his family (the Colonel has certainly heard favorable things about her) and how many "strange" women of no connections do you suppose he has made a point of introducing to Georgiana. I would bet that a 16 year old with half a brain would at least have a suspicion...
: Joan, too
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I would also think that he perhaps had been moping around
all summer He probably had been acting strangely and very
distracted. That along with anything Col. Fitzwilliam may
have said would have given her some hint. She may be more
perceptive than Bingley too, after all she is a Darcy.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 26, 1996 at 14:45:07:
: In an Ibsen play! Are you an actress Ann? This has escaped me, how interesting it would be to reread all your comments on Lizzy´s performance!
: Which Ibsen play?
: All those accent and language revealings are amazing and interesting to me.
: Ann2
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Actually I mis-typed, it was Checkov (The Boor, a.k.a. The
Bear, a.k.a. The Brute--depends on the translation). It was
just a student-directed one act play in college.
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