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Posted by Kali on October 25, 1996 at 19:06:43:
: In the past we have talked of obsession and being over the edge. Well, I'm not quite sure what to do as now others have noticed my obsession with JA. Tonite while at a family function, my brother came to me and asked if I thought that Emma intended to be rude to Miss Bates when she insulted her. At first I was most happy to give my opinion, but then remembering that this was my brother who was asking, I got very suspious. I then asked him why he would ask me this question. He then replied "I wish to speak with my sister, and Jane Austen seems to be the only topic that she will speak of." I'm very afraid that he is plotting to deprogram me!!!
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I've noticed that being a JA person makes you more accessible - one of my history professors, an older guy who deals with serious social issues, got to be a great friend of mine becasue of JA. I went to see him in office hours, and brought a copy of Persuasion to read while I waited. He saw it, and then expressed an interest in reading all of her books when he got time away from research. Then we got to talking about P&P2 and S&S, and I realized that this man was a closet Austenite! Between JA and FDR (my other idol), we have never run out of topics for discussion!
- K
Posted by Kali on October 25, 1996 at 19:08:17:
: I just found this in Yahoo, and I think it is great. I thought I was the only one who loved the series so much.
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Are you KIDDING? Join the club! Seriously, welcome!
- K ; )
Posted by Joan, too on October 25, 1996 at 19:09:38:
: Did A&E list the other winners?
: mich
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If they did, there'e no link to it and I didn't come across it. During the time that the contest was running, they had posted a snail mail address that anyone who wanted a list of winners could write to to get it, but that isn't there any more, either.
Joan, too
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Posted by Rose on October 25, 1996 at 19:30:39:
: : : : Jak
: : : : The growth of Elizabeth's character is not as explicitly played
: : : : out as Darcy's is.
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: : :
: : : Lizzy's growth was more in understanding and not prejudging.
: : : Darcy's was more in actions so it was much easier to see the
: : : difference as well as the fact that his faults were more
: : : visible to start with.
: : : Just a thought.
: : : Anne
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: : I thought that Darcy had to change so much that it was more obvious. He almost had a complete change in personality from where he started. And Lizzie was mainly misguided in trusting Wickham and disliking Darcy after the first meeting.
: : Perhaps she needed to grow up a little?
: : Rose
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: I agree that Elizabeth was biased but could any of us really think highly of a man who called us tolerably handsome but not enough to tempt him. It would take me a very long time to think welll of anyone who had said that to me.
: Karen
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Yes I agree with you. I think having Colin Firth in this role has made me biased - the PP1 guy - David Rintoul? definitely didn't make me feel as sorry for him!
Rose
Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 19:33:05:
: The Hurricane Bennet Family -- LOL!! That's PERFECT!
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I guess Jane and Lizzy are the 'eye'.
Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 19:35:29:
: By the way did you see the photo of the real Jennifer Ehle? Can you believe -- with straight blonde hair? What a shock.
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I had heard her described as a young Meryl Streep -- and in the picture she really does.
As mentioned before -- the book is fantastic, but even if it were not, the picture on page 98 would be worth the cost.
Anne
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Posted by Rose on October 25, 1996 at 19:40:11:
: I like how JA shows how Lizzie feels when Darcy comes back to Longbourne and he doesn't
: approach her fast enough. "If he no longer cares for me,why be silent?Teasing,teasing man!
: She is hooked.
: ciao Donna
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I wondered if it was because he'd done all the running in the past and it was up to her now to give him a bit of encouragement.
Though after Lady Catherine got in on the act he was fairly sure that Lizzie must have liked him a little!
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 19:42:53:
Anna-Karin
: : Bingley has a great time with the most beatiful girl in the room and then wants Darcy to stand up with a less attractive girl.In the Making of P&P Colin Firth says that Darcy probably wasa little jealous of Bingley that moment ater all
: : Drcy was richer and more handsome and here Bingley has got the prettiest girl.So he certainly does not want to take the second best.
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Maybe he was a little jealous, but I think that the statement was more of an excuse. I don't think that he would have been spending a lot of attention on Jane if Bingley hadn't. The crowd was just not "his sort of people".
Just a thought.
Anne
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Posted by Rose on October 25, 1996 at 19:47:48:
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: : : I was the same way about the book, couldn't put it down. I don't know many details about the movie, but I think Jessica Lange must be playing Rose, the older sister, and Michelle Pfeiffer must be Ginny (a tough role). Jennifer Jason Leigh must be Caroline and Jason Robards, of course, the father. I could see some of those parts being Oscar material if done well, can't you?
: : Wish I could offer help in converting to dunams for you - but all I know is that an acre is 4047 square meters. Does that help at all? Needless to say, the farm in the book was a large and prosperous piece of property.
: : Happy reading! (I'm enjoying Jane's House this week, a nice story about a widower and his kids - nothing to do with Jane Austen, though.)
: : Grace
: : P.S. I share your desire for happy endings - maybe that's another reason I love Austen!
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: Do you know when the movie will be showing? The book sounds marvelous, & I would love to read it, but I can't afford to read another huge book (I read Gone with the wind" this week, so I need a week of normal sleep, at least! (that's one ending I hate!)
: I've been busy for a week and it seems forever-addiction is a bad thing!
: Well I am SO glad to be back!
: Marsha
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Wow I'm impressed reading Gone with the Wind in a week. A smaller book I read recently was 'The Horse Whisperer'. Its quite a good story - it was one of those overnight reads for me! Though not quite as happy an ending as JA would have written.
Gone with the wind 2 - the movie, had a better ending.
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 19:49:44:
: : : "
: : I love this book. Donna
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: Isn't it great? It cleared up a lot of my questions.
: Brigid
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I have started reading it from the beginning. Til now it has been hit and miss reading (mainly the blocks around the pictures). It is very interesting and informative. One
area that had me envious was in the section Researcher: Claire Elliot -- I would love to have easy access to those types of books (the women's pocket books from the early 19th century, The Complete Servant written in 1825). I love being in an old library!!
Anne
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Posted by Grace on October 25, 1996 at 19:49:47:
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: : : I was the same way about the book, couldn't put it down.
: : Grace
: : P.S. I share your desire for happy endings - maybe that's another reason I love Austen!
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: Do you know when the movie will be showing?
: Marsha
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: Marsha, welcome back! Just wanted to let you know that the movie is only being filmed now, as I understand it,so don't look for it to be in theaters soon. I think filming was taking place outside Chicago last month.
Your mentioning Gone with the Wind reminded me that I haven't looked at it in a long time. It's a favorite so I'll have to pull it out. I read the sequel when it was first out (Scarlet goes to Ireland is about all I remember other than the fact that it wasn't very good.)
Posted by Rose on October 25, 1996 at 19:54:02:
I was watching PP2 on video (again) and
thought that Colin Firth has a look
and sound of Richard Burton about him.
They both have a compelling gaze and
'presence', and a wonderfully rich
sounding voice.
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Posted by Rose on October 25, 1996 at 20:00:20:
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: : : Rose, do Kiwis use the word 'daggy'?
: : : Just curious.
: : : Hilary
: Kiwis definitely use the word 'daggy'.
: : Hope that helps,
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: Thanks, I thought you probably did, but you can't always predict what has filtered across the Tasman Sea, in either direction. I am wondering where you and Rose and Lisa are in NZ, but I don't have to know. Our family had a wonderful 2 weeks in NZ two Easters ago. We went from Wellington up through all the 'hot spots', luckily travelling with friends who could show us wonderful places like Ketitahi Springs. Then we had a week travelling on the south island. Didn't get down as far as Queenstown, but loved the west coast and glacier country. Love to visit there again sometime.
: Hilary
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Hi,
I'm in Wellington! Wonderful weather here today - no clouds and lots of hot sun. We definitely use the word daggy, and 'a bit of a dag' meaning a real character.
Get to Queenstown next time and further South as the scenery is wonderful. I've been meaning to get to Milford for years.
Perhaps we should have an Australasian version of PP?
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 20:04:12:
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: I am rather new to this page. I've only discovered it recently but was delighted to do so. I love Pride & Prejudice dearly. I would have to say that my favorite scene is when Elizabeth and Darcy dance. That scene is perfection (all ten minutes of it) and the music adds quite a bit to it, I think. My second favorite would have to be when Darcy comes out of the stream and sees Lizzie.
: -Eileen
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We all bid you welcome, Eileen. The more, the merrier.
Anne
Posted by Grace on October 25, 1996 at 20:16:32:
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: : : : I was the same way about the book, couldn't put it down.
: : : Grace
: : : P.S. I share your desire for happy endings - maybe that's another reason I love Austen!
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: : Do you know when the movie will be showing?
: : Well I am SO glad to be back!
: : Marsha
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: Wow I'm impressed reading Gone with the Wind in a week. A smaller book I read recently was 'The Horse Whisperer'.
: Cheers
: Rose
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: I apologize for getting off the P&P topic, but I wanted to ask you about The Horse Whisperer. (Can I justify it by saying that Darcy rode horses and probably whispered all the secrets of his heart to them??? Oh well...) I picked the book up at the library but the story synopsis sounded so far-fetched, I never took it home. Was it really worthwhile?
Grace
P.S. Darcy was forever buying books so he would be one of us. Imagine Lizzy exploring his library!
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Posted by Grace on October 25, 1996 at 20:32:40:
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: : : Yes, but Mr. Knightly pitied her more for her financial situation than her marital one.
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: : Even though she continued to write romantic novels, JA seemed to be saying that only marriages where the parties were well matched and truly in love were really advisable.
: : :
: : : Mary H
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: : : For most women of the time, financial situation was tied to marriage. Jane Austen did not lead a life of affluence, but she did at least have a brother who was in a position to provide financial assistance. She also had the power to earn some money through her novels. Was it for these reasons
: : perhaps that she could afford to take a more romantic view of marriage?
: : Getting back to Charlotte, let's remember that when she grows tired of her poultry,etc. she will no doubt become mistress of Longbourn and have the added diversion of living near her family.
: : Hilary, in the early 1800's, under the same circumstances as Charlotte ---I would have taken the same deal. I am being serious.
: : Grace
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: I don't want to seem high and mighty. But I do think JA's *intention* was to advise us that Charlotte's decision was wrong and Lizzie's two were right.
: Hilary
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: Jane sent a definite message about the advantage of marrying for love, I do agree.
As for the decisions we might make as single women of the time, I'm sure we would do whatever was necessary to survive.
Grace
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Posted by Ann on October 25, 1996 at 20:34:26:
: I always assumed that he put the same clothes on because he did not have much time. Although I like the idea of him flying in the door, yelling for his man servant to help him dress quickly.
: Brigid
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I also imagine him ripping of his shirt as he runs upstairs,
leaving a trail of giggling maids behind him.
As for having enough time, all he has to do is take off what
is left of his clothes and get his shirt and pants on, then
tie his tie (maybe). Everything else he could do on the fly--
we see him only getting his coat on as he comes back out of
the house. (I do question how he would have had the time or
the care to get his watch in place though.)
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 25, 1996 at 20:45:32:
: Then when she is at Nfield when she walks into the billard room she snubs him again,then he tries to be really nice to her after that and inquires about Jane one more thing he compares her with Georgiana that his way of being nice and again about reading. Lizzie won't forgive for his remark that makes him all the more intrigued.That is what leds me to believe that he knows she heard him. He at that moment wishes he never said what he said, because now he is becoming attracted to her livliness of mind. I was not just the way she looked.
: This is what I feel the movie is trying to convey. The book is another story.
: Thanks Donna
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At the end of this scene Darcy is staring at Lizzy. I can't
quite get a handle on what is going through his head. Any
opinions?
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 25, 1996 at 20:51:27:
: But It would be a intresting
: plot to see Caroline chasing a Darcy stricken by grief over
: Lizzys early death.Maybe she had died in childbed after giving birth to too many children in a few years ( a common fate a that time).
: Darcy would maybe feel responsible for Lizzys death.
: maybe caroline would try to snare him then.
: Anna-karin
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Anna-Karin,
Please refrain from killing Lizzy off!!
It is simply too horrible to think of.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 25, 1996 at 20:59:50:
: As for the decisions we might make as single women of the time, I'm sure we would do whatever was necessary to survive.
: Grace
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Grace,
I agree. As icky as it sounds, if I were in her position, I
might do the same as Charlotte. Not everyone has the option
of marrying for love (and those that marry only for love
also sometimes make a mistake.) For Charlotte the
alternative of being a "poor old maid" would have been
contemptable. She would have spent the rest of her life
being the third wheel in someone else's house, with someone
else presiding over the house and to some extent her as well
(probably a brother's wife).
Now she has a room of her own and money in her pocket (to
reference a different author).
Ann
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