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Posted by Brigid on October 25, 1996 at 16:46:29:
: In the past we have talked of obsession and being over the edge. Well, I'm not quite sure what to do as now others have noticed my obsession with JA. Tonite while at a family function, my brother came to me and asked if I thought that Emma intended to be rude to Miss Bates when she insulted her. At first I was most happy to give my opinion, but then remembering that this was my brother who was asking, I got very suspious. I then asked him why he would ask me this question. He then replied "I wish to speak with my sister, and Jane Austen seems to be the only topic that she will speak of." I'm very afraid that he is plotting to deprogram me!!!
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I trembled when I read the posts about being "caught". Often in conversation something comes up that makes me think of a P&P2 comparison and I have to bite my tongue. I think friends are catching on though. I am getting leading questions like, "So -are you going to see Jane Austen's house when you go to England? (snicker,snicker)"
Posted by Tommye on October 25, 1996 at 17:04:52:
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: Darcy is probably feeling oppressed by the situation - people he doesn't know, many of them coarse and obnoxious (i.e. Hurricane Bennet Family), and his own pride, probably brought on by shyness. He is most likely overwhelmed, and so lashes out rather than letting himself get swept away by it all. Whether he is attracted to Lizzy or not (which I'm sure he is) isn't important - he probably wouldn't have been any nicer had he not been attracted to her. And, yes, i think he at least half-wanted her - or anyone - to hear his remark, which was a direct rebuff to someone's attempt to engage him in the events going on around him. I think he wanted to express disinterest in the entire situation, and his remark about Lizzy was the most direct way for him to do it (if he admitted, in any way, an interest in her, he would be admitting that he actually wanted to be there).
: I hope that made sense,
: K
: Kali, every time I read one of your analytical comments, I cannot help but feel that you know these people. I felt sure that I knew them, indeed; but you always expose another element of their complex personas to me that I hadn't considered.
Yes, he WAS uncomfortable. At first I thought he didn't know anyone could hear him. He seemed surprised when Lizzy got up and walked over to Charlotte, and they started to giggle, as though he wondered what they were giggling about. Yet, sometimes I deliberately send out signals to people to let them know that I do not want to engage in conversation. So, I see that Darcy, too, could easily have made that much-maligned comment to dissuade people from making him even more uncomfortable!
:Tommye
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Posted by Rebecca on October 25, 1996 at 17:06:31:
:That is what leds me to believe that he knows she heard him. He at that moment wishes he never said what he said, because now he is becoming attracted to her livliness of mind. I was not just the way she looked.
: This is what I feel the movie is trying to convey. The book is another story.
: Thanks Donna
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I think you are right about P&P2 trying to convey it this way. In the book, I agree, he has no idea that she might have overheard him. Like you I love the "Making of" book and one of the best things is the Conversation with Colin Firth which you and Anna-Karin have quoted. To me it makes it clear why we like Firth's performance so much; he thought of Darcy as a real person and tried to be true to what Darcy would be like, although as Firth admits all his characters have some of "him" in them.
Rebecca
Posted by Tommye on October 25, 1996 at 17:08:15:
: I just found this in Yahoo, and I think it is great. I thought I was the only one who loved the series so much.
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: No, Kim! You're definitely not the only one! Welcome!
We're all over the place.. Read some bio's to meet some of us. How many times have you viewed P&P2??
I now go to sleep by it.
:Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on October 25, 1996 at 17:28:04:
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: I have been pondering Davies addition of Darcy's swim to the story and I really like it. Throughout the show we are shown scenes of Lizzie doing healthly, outdoorsy sorts of activities. I like the idea that Darcy has that side to him as well. It makes them seem even more well suited.
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: At first, this scene reminded me of, "I'm gonna wash that [man] right out of my hair!" from South Pacific. After all, Darcy, in the previous scene, had just said, "I will conquer this!"
:Tommye
Posted by Donna on October 25, 1996 at 17:28:51:
I like how JA shows how Lizzie feels when Darcy comes back to Longbourne and he doesn't
approach her fast enough. "If he no longer cares for me,why be silent?Teasing,teasing man!
She is hooked.
ciao Donna
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Posted by Tommye on October 25, 1996 at 17:32:32:
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.. The swim lends credibility to the very strong feelings we're told he has for Elizabeth, and shows us that he is more than just an analretentive man with raging hormones.
: - K
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I don't think "analretentive" is one word. Raging hormones?
Men have raging hormones? I thought that was reserved for the over-thirty females. (Of which I am one.)
Who coined the phrase, "anal retentive," anyway?
By the way, I don't think that's what Darcy is (or was].
:Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on October 25, 1996 at 17:35:29:
: Sorry if this is a liitle off topic I can't think of a better resource use. Does anyone know the name of the piece that was sung in Italian during the concert at Bath in the movie Persuasion? It was just beautiful! I have very much enjoyed all the information about the music in P&P2 that has been on the board.
: Thank you in advance,
: Katherine
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I am going to ask my daughter when I next see her. She recognized the [aria?] immediately when we were viewing "Persuasion." (Not to brag, but she has a masters degree in music.] Ann had just prior told Col. Wentworth that it was a beautiful love song.
:Tommye
Posted by Tommye on October 25, 1996 at 17:37:52:
: : What is this???
: : Jak
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: It is a soup make from veal, stock, chicken, almonds and cream.
: Anne
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: What did I miss? Where was white soup?
:Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on October 25, 1996 at 17:48:00:
: : That is truely wonderful she is two hours away from me in Pa.
: : Donna
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: Maybe you could contact her and talk her into taking you with her! Then you could come back and tell us all about it.
: Ann
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: That was exactly my first response. My second was, "Oh, Pooh. I really wanted to win!"
:Tommye
Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 18:24:33:
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: : I just found this in Yahoo, and I think it is great. I thought I was the only one who loved the series so much.
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: : No, Kim! You're definitely not the only one! Welcome!
: We're all over the place.. Read some bio's to meet some of us. How many times have you viewed P&P2??
: I now go to sleep by it.
: :Tommye
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Aye, so do I. It makes for pleasant dreams.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 18:31:10:
: Yes, and did you notice that Lizzy's eyes skimming over Darcy before quickly looking away?
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Girls will be girls, even in the 1800's.
Every time I watch this scene - where he goes to the house and she and her aunt and uncle are walking back to the carriage -- I imagine the scene going on inside the house. I image him yelling for his valet to hurry and get him ready. His room must be fairly close to the door (not some distant wing) to be able to get there, change and get back without breathing like a marathon runner.
Anne
Posted by Paula on October 25, 1996 at 18:38:27:
Thanks Kali & Donna for the excellent analysis of Darcy, and for steering me to the Making of P&P. I just bought it this afternoon. What a treasure.
By the way did you see the photo of the real Jennifer Ehle? Can you believe -- with straight blonde hair? What a shock.
Personally I think she looks better with dark hair, what do you think?
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Posted by Kali on October 25, 1996 at 18:39:00:
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: .. The swim lends credibility to the very strong feelings we're told he has for Elizabeth, and shows us that he is more than just an analretentive man with raging hormones.
: : - K
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: I don't think "analretentive" is one word. Raging hormones?
: Men have raging hormones? I thought that was reserved for the over-thirty females. (Of which I am one.)
: Who coined the phrase, "anal retentive," anyway?
: By the way, I don't think that's what Darcy is (or was].
: :Tommye
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I still think he is anal. Otherwise, why would it take him so long to be unapologetically honest with Elizabeth? Yes, men have raging hormones, too. As do twentysomething females (like me!).
- K
Posted by Kali on October 25, 1996 at 18:41:19:
: I'm in San Francisco. Have you been able to find any good resources in the bay area for JA stuff?
: mich
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Not really. Turtle Island Books in Berkeley can order you just about anything, though. I'll keep you posted, and I hope you will too!
Your neighbor,
Kali
Posted by Kali on October 25, 1996 at 18:43:35:
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: I'm in Sacramento -- It seems that there is a whole group of us in Northern California. Wouldn't it be cool to all meet for "Tea" in San Francisco sometime??? Let me know if anyone is interested -- and maybe possible dates for such a meeting!
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Sounds like a plan! I'm up for just about anytime.
Hope to see you soon,
Kali
(e-mail me!)
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Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 18:44:08:
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: I have been pondering Davies addition of Darcy's swim to the story and I really like it.
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The "Making Of" book gives a good description of the thoughts behind this scene.
... illustration of how visual storytelling can communicate as much about a character as a literary description, though in a different way. During their tour of Pemberley the housekeeper takes Elizabeth and the Gardiners into the gallery where Elizabeth is shown a portrait of Darcy. Elizabeth stares at it a long time -- trying to put the picture of the formal but smiling Darcy together with the portrait she has made of him in her own mind. We then cut to Darcy riding towards Pemberley. From a distance he looks every bit like the formal Darcy we are used to. But then we cut in close and see that he is actually travel-stained and sweaty, his breathing heavy from the exercise. He heads to the lake and decides to dive in - 'a brief respite from duty, and from the tumult of his tormented and unhappy feelings', Andrew writes in the stage directions. We then follow Darcy underwater - not absolutely vital, one might think, but then again it was a visual way of communicating a different picture of Darcy 'cleaving through this other element, a natural man, free of the trappings of culture'. In that brief moment, one is reminded that Darcy, for all his responsibilities as the owner of Pemberly, is actually a young man. And, by intercutting Elizabeth staring at his portrait with the flesh-and-blood Darcy the audience sees, one is able to point up the idea that there are many portraits of Darcy being formed in the story...'
and then on the other hand, he look great wet!
Anne
Posted by Kali on October 25, 1996 at 18:54:40:
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: : Darcy is probably feeling oppressed by the situation - people he doesn't know, many of them coarse and obnoxious (i.e. Hurricane Bennet Family), and his own pride, probably brought on by shyness. He is most likely overwhelmed, and so lashes out rather than letting himself get swept away by it all. Whether he is attracted to Lizzy or not (which I'm sure he is) isn't important - he probably wouldn't have been any nicer had he not been attracted to her. And, yes, i think he at least half-wanted her - or anyone - to hear his remark, which was a direct rebuff to someone's attempt to engage him in the events going on around him. I think he wanted to express disinterest in the entire situation, and his remark about Lizzy was the most direct way for him to do it (if he admitted, in any way, an interest in her, he would be admitting that he actually wanted to be there).
: : I hope that made sense,
: : K
: : Kali, every time I read one of your analytical comments, I cannot help but feel that you know these people. I felt sure that I knew them, indeed; but you always expose another element of their complex personas to me that I hadn't considered.
: Yes, he WAS uncomfortable. At first I thought he didn't know anyone could hear him. He seemed surprised when Lizzy got up and walked over to Charlotte, and they started to giggle, as though he wondered what they were giggling about. Yet, sometimes I deliberately send out signals to people to let them know that I do not want to engage in conversation. So, I see that Darcy, too, could easily have made that much-maligned comment to dissuade people from making him even more uncomfortable!
: :Tommye
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Aww, thanks! Jane Austen is such a great writer because she makes characters human and believable - you can identify with them as people! THe great thing about the film is that it actually brings the characters to life. I try to think of the characters as real folks - and even soemtimes try to put myself in their places. We can learn a lot from fictional characters.
I'm glad you appreciate my empathies!
Later,
Kali
Posted by Anne on October 25, 1996 at 18:57:29:
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: : It is a soup make from veal, stock, chicken, almonds and cream.
: : Anne
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: : What did I miss? Where was white soup?
: :Tommye
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At Netherfield after Mr.s B and the girls have visited Jane
and Bingley has said he will give a ball. That evening Miss Bingley asks her brother if he is serious about giving the ball and he says as soon as Nicholls has made white soup enough I shall send round my cards.
This is all in the book, of course and not the video.
Anne
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Posted by Donna on October 25, 1996 at 19:05:13:
: Thanks Kali & Donna for the excellent analysis of Darcy, and for steering me to the Making of P&P. I just bought it this afternoon. What a treasure.
: By the way did you see the photo of the real Jennifer Ehle? Can you believe -- with straight blonde hair? What a shock.
: Personally I think she looks better with dark hair, what do you think?
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Yes,I agree with you very nice picture of Susanne {Jane}also they all look so different.
ciao Donna,
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