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Posted by Mich on October 25, 1996 at 10:08:15:
: : That is truely wonderful she is two hours away from me in Pa.
: : Donna
: Maybe you could contact her and talk her into taking you with her! Then you could come back and tell us all about it.
That's a great idea.
Did A&E list the other winners?
Posted by Adi on October 25, 1996 at 10:13:08:
I just finished reading "A Thousand Acres". I took it yesterday
from the library and from the moment I opened it, I couldn't lay
it down. That means, that I stayed up all night reading (thanks
God it's weekend!). I'm afraid I've developed a bad habit-and
this BB is to blame-last time I stayed up all night was the day
I discovered this P&P2BB.
Well,enough about that. I have to say that the book is very good.
I was really drawn to it. The producers of the film "A Thousand
Acres" couldn't find a better actor than Colin Firth to play the
character of Jess. When I read the book and pictured to myself
how Jess would look like-I couldn't think about anyone else than
him. I could see him talking as a farmer, his expressions, his
clothing, everything. Jess IS Colin Firth.
However, I couldn't picture Michelle Pfeiffer as one of the sisters.
I don't know what character she is playing-but I think it has to
be Rose, and it doesn't make sense to me. The book doesn't
describe the sisters as very beautiful women.
Does anyone know who plays Tye in the film?. Tye is the only
character that I can understand and even like.
I have one more question-Does anyone know how much acres are one
dunam?. I couldn't find an english version of the book so I took
the Hebrew translation (which named just "LAND",by the way). In
Israel we measure land with dunams, not with acres, so the book
doesn't deal with the words "thousand acres", so I don't know
what is the meaning of it(maybe the size of the farm?).
I'm sorry this post is very long-it's just that I always have
a lot to say when something really thrilled me.
P.S - I have to add that I was diappointed in the end, I relly
hoped for an "happy end". I thought that one thing Jinnie SHOULD
have done is go back to Tye and try to have with him another
baby. It sure is a better thing to do than to continue dwell on
the past. Maybe I'm just too romantic...
Posted by Paula on October 25, 1996 at 10:37:56:
The Hurricane Bennet Family -- LOL!! That's PERFECT!
Posted by Candace on October 25, 1996 at 10:43:11:
: : : : I thought that joke was reserved for boring San Joaquin Valley agrcultural communities (does anybody remember the CCR song "Stuck in Lodi Again"?). Any other Californians out there?
: : : : - K
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : Yes, indeed - I'm in "Silicon Valley" - and yes, I do know the way to San Jose.
: : : Joan, too
: : ___________________
: : (Oh, yes - and I have relatives in Linden.)
: : Joan, too
: Tres spiff! I am from Stockton, but I'm in school at Berkeley right now...so I guess we're sorta neighbors!
: - K
I'm in Sacramento -- It seems that there is a whole group of us in Northern California. Wouldn't it be cool to all meet for "Tea" in San Francisco sometime??? Let me know if anyone is interested -- and maybe possible dates for such a meeting!
Posted by Candace on October 25, 1996 at 11:17:36:
: : : : It is unfortunate that the script writers/film editors did not
: : : : include/leave in the following:
: : : : Darcy to Elizabeth in response to her inquiries as to why he
: : : : did not speak to her in the days following Bingley & Jane's
: : : : engagement and leading up to their own:
: : : : "A man who had felt less might."
: : : : Close your eyes and imagine Colin Firth's Darcy saying this Is it not enough to make one sweat?
: : :
: : Oh yes most_defitnetly, thank you for reminding me of that beautiful line. _________
: : nicole_____
: Though I must admit that line to be a definite favourite of mine, it would not have made as much sense in P&P2, as they only met once before the second proposal.Whereas in the novel Darcy is a dinner guest, and carries his coffea cup back to her and...sigh.*We* would have loved to watch six more hours but they might not have been true to the artistic concept of the film makers.
Yes, it does seem that the filming did need to stop eventually -- but -- I thought that since they had taken us all through so much of the story that it ended so abruptly. Two more hours would have been enough to exhibit at least one more scene of the shyness between the two before the engagement and then the courtship. One of my favorite parts in the book is when Lizzie is telling Darcy why he loves her.
Posted by Candace on October 25, 1996 at 11:44:44:
: When/If Mr. Collins inherits Longbourn (Mr. Bennet MAY outlive him), I expect that he will have to give up the Church. Does that mean that he will then become a gentleman??
: Just wondering.
: Also, if he should predecease Mr. Bennet, who would then inherit Longbourn? Mr. Collins' eldest son? If he has no son, then who??
I have a fantasy that upon Mr. Bennett's death, Darcy (being the cleaver sort that he is) discovers a loop-hole in the entitlement which allows the estate to be sold. He then goes to Mr. Collins and convinces him to sell it (He is after all a man that cannot be refused anything). Darcy then presents the deed to his baby daughter.
Posted by Linda on October 25, 1996 at 12:13:43:
The scene where Darcy and Lizzy meet after his swim reminds me a little of the scene where they meet when she arrives at Netherfield
to see Jane. In this scene, Lizzy's attire is less than perfect (her dress is quite muddy), and Darcy is charmed by her unconventionality. After the swim, it is Darcy who is imperfectly attired, and Lizzy who is impressed.
Posted by Eileen Hughes on October 25, 1996 at 12:13:44:
: : Mine is the scene where Darcy comes out of the stream near his home.
: : I watch it over and over, again and again. What's yours? Care to chat?
: I agree that the scene in which he comes out of the stream is one of the best, but I would have to say that my #1 choice would be the scen in Pemberley when Darcy finally seem to smile.___________________
I am rather new to this page. I've only discovered it recently but was delighted to do so. I love Pride & Prejudice dearly. I would have to say that my favorite scene is when Elizabeth and Darcy dance. That scene is perfection (all ten minutes of it) and the music adds quite a bit to it, I think. My second favorite would have to be when Darcy comes out of the stream and sees Lizzie.
Posted by Brigid on October 25, 1996 at 12:17:39:
: : "
: I love this book. Donna
Isn't it great? It cleared up a lot of my questions.
Posted by Jak on October 25, 1996 at 12:48:10:
I get the distinct impression that Mr. Bennet is happy to have Lydia off to
Brighton. "We shall have no peace at Longbourn..." We know him to be a man
who injoys his solitude, and with Lydia out of the house he could then
Posted by Grace on October 25, 1996 at 12:59:10:
: I just finished reading "A Thousand Acres". I took it yesterday
: from the library and from the moment I opened it, I couldn't lay
: it down.
: I was the same way about the book, couldn't put it down. I don't know many details about the movie, but I think Jessica Lange must be playing Rose, the older sister, and Michelle Pfeiffer must be Ginny (a tough role). Jennifer Jason Leigh must be Caroline and Jason Robards, of course, the father. I could see some of those parts being Oscar material if done well, can't you?
Wish I could offer help in converting to dunams for you - but all I know is that an acre is 4047 square meters. Does that help at all? Needless to say, the farm in the book was a large and prosperous piece of property.
Happy reading! (I'm enjoying Jane's House this week, a nice story about a widower and his kids - nothing to do with Jane Austen, though.)
P.S. I share your desire for happy endings - maybe that's another reason I love Austen!
Posted by Mary H on October 25, 1996 at 13:11:39:
: The desired scenes may have been cut out of the screen play without ever having been filmed.
Even if the scenes were shot, they might never have been edited. That means there would only be raw footage of Lizzy doing take after take. Is anyone really up for that? Just how obsessed are we?
Posted by Candace on October 25, 1996 at 13:23:44:
In the past we have talked of obsession and being over the edge. Well, I'm not quite sure what to do as now others have noticed my obsession with JA. Tonite while at a family function, my brother came to me and asked if I thought that Emma intended to be rude to Miss Bates when she insulted her. At first I was most happy to give my opinion, but then remembering that this was my brother who was asking, I got very suspious. I then asked him why he would ask me this question. He then replied "I wish to speak with my sister, and Jane Austen seems to be the only topic that she will speak of." I'm very afraid that he is plotting to deprogram me!!!
Posted by Cheryl on October 25, 1996 at 13:50:23:
: In the past we have talked of obsession and being over the edge. Well, I'm not quite sure what to do as now others have noticed my obsession with JA. Tonite while at a family function, my brother came to me and asked if I thought that Emma intended to be rude to Miss Bates when she insulted her. At first I was most happy to give my opinion, but then remembering that this was my brother who was asking, I got very suspious. I then asked him why he would ask me this question. He then replied "I wish to speak with my sister, and Jane Austen seems to be the only topic that she will speak of." I'm very afraid that he is plotting to deprogram me!!!
LOL Candace! I too, have been the subject of brotherly teasing about Austen. He was at my house a few weeks ago and wanted to look up something quickly on the internet so logged on with my computer. Well, I have this BB registered as my "home page" when netscape opens, and he, seeing my name all over the place, started reading comments and found it was I who started this virtual read and view we're doing and I have not heard the end of it! He just thinks it is so cute that his big sister is obsessed over P&P2, that he teases me about it whenever I see him- and has informed other family members! The cad! He and his wife are supposed to come over for Sunday dinner with me and if he teases again, I will force him to go see Emma with me- I think he could deal with that more easily than the 6 hours of P&P2. He will probably like it- he likes more "chick flicks" than any other man I know, but this is beyond his comprehension.
Posted by Alicia on October 25, 1996 at 14:05:36:
: I get the distinct impression that Mr. Bennet is happy to have Lydia off to
: Brighton. "We shall have no peace at Longbourn..." We know him to be a man
: who injoys his solitude, and with Lydia out of the house he could then
: enjoy peace?
: Your thoughts?
I don't think Mr. Bennet was happy to let Lydia go with the intention that he would enjoy peace with Lydia gone. Mary, Kitty, and especially Mrs. Bennet are so silly that Mr. Bennet would never enjoy a completely peaceful home. I think Mr. Bennet knew that if he DIDN'T allow Lydia to go to Brighton that Lydia would whine entirely too much -- enough to cause a big disturbance at home.
Posted by Laura M on October 25, 1996 at 14:07:27:
ROTFLOL, I have been teased at work that I think of nothing but Jane Austen and people who never take baths!!! Well I put my boss in place and said that Mr Darcy most certainly did take a bath!! And if the manservant wasn't around we would have got a glimpse of a lot more. Candace, et al, having your brother tease you is nothing, but when coworkers tease, its a nightmare. But I handle myself well, because of my outspoken nature and I am the secretary to the big guy who treats me like a fairy princess. Plus he reads Patrick O'Brian novel!!! Well must ring off. Cheers, Laura
Posted by Alicia on October 25, 1996 at 14:12:57:
: :I suppose in the book he left to go and compose himself and returned to show Lizzy he had changed (figuratively, not literally, although the literal change, as you say, works quite well.)
: : Cheryl
: I agree the swimming scene works because it shows how Darcy has changed.
: He impulsively decides to cool off in the water and dives headlong into the lake. This spontaneous act shows how he's becoming less stiff and proper, and more relaxed and open.
: This is mirrored by his physical disarray when he sees Lizzy. Although he's quick to get dressed up again (he hasn't gotten *that* informal!) it shows he's loosening up.
I agree with you all -- it does show how Darcy has changed.
This was also one of my favourite scenes -- the unexpected meeting and then Darcy running to try to catch Lizzy before she leaves. I think I've worn out my tape on that scene!!
Posted by genie on October 25, 1996 at 14:45:18:
: : Does Mary, who is positioned between Lizzie & Mr. Collins look
: : momentary hopeful when Mr. Collins begins to apply for Lizzie's
: : hand for the first two dances?
: : Jak
: Oh, yes. You will also notice when Mr. Collins arrives that
: Mary is primping and touching her hair to make sure it is
: all right. She is the one who always seems to think well of
: Mr. C.
Part of the difference in the filming of these dance scenes can be explained. In the book, The MAking of P&P, the authors relate how a hair had ruined a lot of the still camera footage of the ballroom scenes and they could not be re-shot. So they relied more heavily on the steady cam shots which are close-ups, like another dancer on the floor, as they explained it. I think these steady cam sections greatly add to the ambience of the scene, especially the ones of Darcy as he roams around the room. Look closely and you can tell which shots are done with each technique. By the way, the book is really excellent if you are as fanatic about the production as I am. A friend in the U.K. got it for me (about 10 pounds or $15) and it is worth its weight in gold? Great interviews with Andrew Davies and Colin Firth, as well as wonderful photos, posed and not, of the cast and crew. __________________
Posted by hat on October 25, 1996 at 14:55:23:
..... they sounded entirely American!
: : Horrors!
: : Ann
: ___________________........ kids born and brought up in MK have developed an accent of their own which is a hybrid between American and Australian (something to do with the kind of TV they watch). I have a hard time understanding what they are trying to say a lot of the time!
We are used to kids here assuming an American accent whenever they take on a persona - skits, drama, telling commercials etc. And of course there are a lot of US words and slang here. But I'm surprised to hear about an Aust influence in MK. Is it because of the soaps?
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 25, 1996 at 14:57:58:
: : : : Every time after this Darcy seems to watch Elizabeth with interest. I couldn't help thinking "Poor guy probably wishes he'd been nicer to her!"
: : : : Rose
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : Do you think Darcy knew that Lizzy could hear him? I had assumed he wasn't aware she was within earshot.(That would be very ungentlemanly indeed!)
: : : It's a backwards compliment (she's pretty, but not enough to tempt me) but the fact that he's analyzing her looks in the first place shows he's noticed her and considers her a possible source of temptation.
: : : This is maybe another example of Darcy's "one step forward, two steps back" approach to the relationship. If Lizzy was completely out of the question, he wouldn't be thinking about her at all (we don't hear him making comments about Mary Bennett or Charlotte, for example).
: : ___________________
: : Darcy is probably feeling oppressed by the situation - people he doesn't know, many of them coarse and obnoxious (i.e. Hurricane Bennet Family), and his own pride, probably brought on by shyness. He is most likely overwhelmed, and so lashes out rather than letting himself get swept away by it all. Whether he is attracted to Lizzy or not (which I'm sure he is) isn't important - he probably wouldn't have been any nicer had he not been attracted to her. And, yes, i think he at least half-wanted her - or anyone - to hear his remark, which was a direct rebuff to someone's attempt to engage him in the events going on around him. I think he wanted to express disinterest in the entire situation, and his remark about Lizzy was the most direct way for him to do it (if he admitted, in any way, an interest in her, he would be admitting that he actually wanted to be there).
: : I hope that made sense,
: : K
: Yes it makes sense because he doesn't want to be there. In the Making of P&P book Colin Firth has said that Elizabeth overhears Mr.Darcy.This is what they want us to see. Then he says when she walks past him and gives him a cheeky look,that is what Triggers his attraction. Andrews quote; "Darcy was used to looking at other people like that,but was not used to being looked at like that himself." "So at that moment,I think, he notices her simply out of bewilderment and curiosity;"this is the quote from the book. "So he wants to know a little bit more." The book goes on to say "that It strikes me that you can be on a fatal course from that moment on whether you konw it or not." That he has never really looked at a women
: with real eyes,with real interest though he has admired women in a casual way. "The truth is that he is bored. It probably the first oppotinity he's ever had in his life to be the pursuer rather than the pursued: it's irresistble.
: "What starts out intriguing becomes profoundly erotic for him."
: I love this book. Donna
I also think it is an important fact that he does not want to be there.I suppose Bingley almost had dragged him there.
And he is only finding vulgar noisy people of a class under him with he does not normally associate .He tries to endure the party as well as he can dancing with the only ladies he know miss Bingley and mrs Hurst (we do not see it in the TV adaptation)But he is annoyed and bored and probable want to go back to Netherfield as soon as possible. To a still greater annoyance
Bingley has a great time with the most beatiful girl in the room and then wants Darcy to stand up with a less attractive girl.In the Making of P&P Colin Firth says that Darcy probably wasa little jealous of Bingley that moment ater all
Drcy was richer and more handsome and here Bingley has got the prettiest girl.So he certainly does not want to take the second best.
He is irritated and just want to be left alone
and hope the ball will end soon. That is maybe why he is rude (the last is my own interpretation I once did almost the same at a party when I was 14 and did not want to dance)
I do not think Darcy knew that Lizzy heard him
people often thinks that people do not hear them
in a crowd of people but often they do.
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