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Posted by Stefanie on October 19, 1996 at 19:03:58:
I think it would be best to stop this train of thought right now. This bulletin board is a place where everyone can openly express their feelings particularly about P&P. It is not a place for these people to insult each other.
Let's not continue this nasty trend of putting down our fellow Austen fans.
A very concerned Stefanie
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Posted by Stefanie on October 19, 1996 at 19:07:07:
: Mine is the scene where Darcy comes out of the stream near his home.
: I watch it over and over, again and again. What's yours? Care to chat?
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While I do like this scene and the second proposal very much, I think that my favorite scene (as well as everyone else's here) is hands down "the look" at Pemberley.
-Stefanie
Posted by stewart on October 19, 1996 at 19:08:55:
Like, what kind of pig are YOU? How dare you insult your fellow P&P Pals?!?! I think you need to take like a totally big chill pill, like. Cath you later, dude!
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 19:11:24:
Dear old (and new) friends -
I have returned from my week of seabathing -- actually just walked
a lot on the beach and gathered shells. I spent the 'hot' part of
the day reading and watching videos. I was able to see Northanger
Abbey, Mansfield Park, P&P1 and Jane Eyre as well as P&P2 a couple
of times. (I did throw in a more contemporary film -- 1995's Sabrina)
After seeing Northanger Abbey I was determined to read the book as
I *knew* that Jane Austen would never have written such a story!!
It was such a gothic type movie. In reading the book I found that
JA's story was what seemed to be the sub-plot of the movie whereas
the "novel" was less than a sub-plot in the book.
I enjoyed MP and am finding it quite faithful to the book.
I did enjoy P&P1 though Darcy could have been made out of wood.
As someone mentioned before, there is nothing in the movie to show
why Lizzy's opinion of him changed. He was so wooden, you saw none
of the inner struggle or love. As much as I loved the Gardiners in
P&P2, I felt that the actors in P&P1 were more the way I pictured
them from the book. The girls did look enough alike to be sisters -
in fact several times I got Lizzy and Kitty mixed up.
Enough rambling -- it's good to be back. A week away was enough -
logging on to catchup was my first task.
Anne
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Posted by Grace on October 19, 1996 at 19:17:01:
: I STILL do not understand this thread, but I've heard that it is hilariously funny and need to find out? What IS the Daggy thread?
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: Personally, I share your confusion and fail to see anything Hilary-ous in that thread. If I may, I will only add that I think the ladies involved conducted themselves with grace and ultimately,...refinement.
: Grace
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 19:18:00:
: Mine is the scene where Darcy comes out of the stream near his home.
: I watch it over and over, again and again. What's yours? Care to chat?
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Picking one is so hard - I think the 'look' scene at Pemberley (though there are actually two 'looks' - the first at the beginning of the scene when Lizzy is singing and the
second when Lizzy has gone to help Georgiana - if possible, there is more love in that look than the first one).
Secondary choices would be:
Meeting on lawn at Pemberley (after swim)
Second proposal
Writing the letter
Nighttime walk through Pemberley
Lizzy's first view of Pemberly (I had to think of one without Darcy)
Anne
Posted by Joan, too on October 19, 1996 at 19:20:23:
: Anne :
: Bingley goes to kiss Jane's hand (or that's what it looks like as it goes out of frame). I guess a kiss on the hand is ok if you're engaged.
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Or if one is related by marriage? Lizzie makes Wickham kiss her hand after she thumps him with the knowledge that she knows that he lied to her about Darcy failing to give Wickham the living that his (Darcy's) father had promised to him.
Joan, too
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Posted by Zachary on October 19, 1996 at 19:21:41:
Sorry I spelled your name wrong. I will try to get it right in the future.
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Posted by Joan, too on October 19, 1996 at 19:24:25:
: I agree that the word you heard is "paltry". But I don't know how yuou catch these things. After watching P&P 16 times (on tape) I am still mesmerized throughout the entire movie.
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[Perhaps 16 times is not enough? ;-) ]
Joan, too
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Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 19:25:02:
: How was your vacation? Did you go cold turkey from P&P? How was the online withdrawl -- or did you end up sneaking into a cybercafe or conning your friends into signing up for a trial AOL sub?
: Amy
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Put a posting on my vacation. Did tend to go into withdrawals regarding being online. Was all alone so had
no computer even to use the multitude of AOL disks I seem
to get (will anyone ever have to by a disk again???)
Did watch P&P (1 & 2) so did not go totally cold turkey.
Anne
(sent you an eMail)
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 19:27:38:
: : Someone told me that, in the Making of...book, the historical accuracy person estimated that a household like the Bennets' would have had a staff of 18. Is that true?
: If it is, Lizzy could very well have had a maid travelling with her.
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Lady C indicates that she does not like the idea of two young ladies traveling alone on the post and Lizzy says that
her uncle will be providing a manservant (though I don't know what became of him).
Anne
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Posted by Joan, too on October 19, 1996 at 19:37:40:
: Anne :
I feel her re-evaluation of Darcy began with the letter. She felt him proud and disagreeable but the main causes of dislike were the Wickham affair and his causing Bingley to leave Jane. The first was explained completely and not only showed her that Wickham was the liar and scoundral but that Darcy was more considerate. The second, once she began to reflect, was more understandable though she still thought that he was in the wrong. At Pemberley, hearing the housekeeper talk about him and his friendly attitude did show her a side of him that she had never seen.
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Yes, her attitude began to change with Darcy's letter - this is made particularly clear in the book - but the effect of the change was just to erase the negative first impression that she had held to so rigidly. She began to think better of his character, but did not actually begin to think of him as a desirable marriage partner for herself until her visit to Pemberley, when she first had the opportunity to see that other side of him.
Joan, too
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 19:38:20:
: I saw the motion picture of "Emma" starring Paltrow, and thought it was pretty good. The filming was good, and Paltrow fit the role of matchmaker well. I was angered, however at the poster outside the theater which said "This year, cupid is armed and dangerous." Talk about a dumb poster.
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Speaking of dumb remarks -- my paperback P&P that I bought to write in has (above the title) the comment:
Mom's fishing for husbands -- But the girls are hunting for
love...
The comments on the back are worse.
Somehow I don't think P&P needs this little bit of modernized hoopla.
Anne
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Posted by Amy on October 19, 1996 at 19:40:46:
: Do you go through all the comments, etc., and clean house every week? Is it done by date? Sometimes I come in and get a bit confused, searching for a subject that's gone. I realize there has to be some elimination. I was just curious about timing and procedures.
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It depends on the amount of traffic. When the main ppbb.html page gets too long I have to take messages out and will lop off the the oldest messages by date. So it depends. If there is a lot of traffic you will only see 3-4 days worth of messages up. Used to be more like 10 days.
I am always happy to send a regular find an old post or group of posts, or provide a vacation pack as for Anne.
Amy
::Can you really keep creeping critics out??
So far it has been managable. There are options. Password access, newsgroup, email. I'd love to be able to keep it on the web for everybody, though.
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Posted by Ann on October 19, 1996 at 19:43:25:
: : Anne :
: : Bingley goes to kiss Jane's hand (or that's what it looks like as it goes out of frame). I guess a kiss on the hand is ok if you're engaged.
:
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: Or if one is related by marriage? Lizzie makes Wickham kiss her hand after she thumps him with the knowledge that she knows that he lied to her about Darcy failing to give Wickham the living that his (Darcy's) father had promised to him.
: Joan, too
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I don't think a kiss of the hand was limited to an engaged couple, or to relations. Though Mr. Knightly and Emma are
related by marriage, the following quote seems to indicate a kiss of the hand is more an act of friendship, regard and
perhaps burgeoning love.
From Emma (Ch. 45):
"She was warmly gratified--and in another moment still more so, by a little movement of more than common friendliness on
his part. He took her hand; whether she had not herself made the first motion, she could not say--she might, perhaps,
have rather offered it--but he took her hand, pressed it, and certainly was on the point of carrying it to his lips--
when, from some fancy or other, he suddenly let it go. Why he should feel such a scruple, why he should change his mind
when it was all but done, she could not perceive. He would have judged better, she thought, if he had not stopped. The
intention, however, was was indubitable; and whether it was that his manners had in general so little gallantry, or
however else it happened, but she thought nothing became him more. It was with him of so simple, yet so digniified a
nature. She could not but recall the attempt with great satisfaction. It spoke such perfect amity."
Ann
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