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Posted by Pamela on October 19, 1996 at 13:31:20:
: I just saw that a new Jane Eyre movie has been made starring William Hurt. Anyone know anything about it?
: Is it playing yet?
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Thank you all for your comments on the movie. I was really suprised to find that everyone liked the Timothy Dalton version. I loved the book so much I have yet to find what I consider a great movie version.
The Orson Wells J.E. was too "Hollywoodized" and played around with the story, although I did like Orson in his role. I had previously liked Timothy Dalton until I saw hime in J.E. I thought he was practically
shouting at J.E. most of the time... a little over done. And the romantic scenes lacked music, and we must have romantic music!. Colin Firth would be better for that role, but I'm a little "prejudiced".
That's my two cents for whatever it's worth!
Pamela
Posted by Dana on October 19, 1996 at 14:42:00:
Hi,
Please help me out on this one.My father in leaving for N.Y today (in an hour to be exact). Do you have any idea if he can get "The making of P&P" in N.Y?
By the way, Amy, I was very sorry to hear about the harassement you had to go through. Please hold on!! I hope you'll keep this Forum running. We, hopeless addicts, need all the support we can get.
Posted by stewart on October 19, 1996 at 15:24:10:
What happened to that cool Betty chick? I got a kick out of her messages.
Stewart
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Posted by Lisa on October 19, 1996 at 15:39:42:
I heard a rumor that someone was lobbying for a Mr. Collins stamp.
Is this true or a cruel joke?
Posted by Saman on October 19, 1996 at 15:58:30:
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: Rose, do Kiwis use the word 'daggy'?
: Just curious.
: Hilary
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Sorry to jump in to answer a question addressed to Rose, but as a New Zealander too I can tell you that Kiwis definitely use the word 'daggy'.
The noun 'dag' is also commonly used, often if someone is considered a bit of a clown :)
Hope that helps,
Posted by hat on October 19, 1996 at 16:15:08:
We have to assume that he takes the same view as Lizzie when it comes to fulfilment in marriage, don't we?
: : No, not at all in the first month of their acquaintance. I suspect he had been taugth to believe every woman in England
: : - the royal family excluded - would welcome his adresses. At
: : Netherfield he says something about chanses of marrying well
: : that sounds quite buisnesslike to me. Ann2
Yes, I'm sure he's been taught, and believes, that he could get anyone, and that he needs to choose 'well' in a family and financial way. But I think Darcy has a real integrity about him, like Lizzie, which even at that early stage would have prevented him from marrying anyone he didn't really care about. I think that our sense of his integrity is one of the main things that holds our interest in Darcy as a character right through the book, and it becomes apparent early on. After all, if he was a truly unfeeling person we would lose interest in him pretty quickly. Hilary
: : Yes, and his second thoughts that last day at N. when he completly ignores her, shows that he considered it possible that she should have taken his earlier conduct towards her as an encouragement. Ann2
Thanks, I hadn't made that connection. Hilary
I think he was trying to be somewhat amenable at this stage.
: : He was still struggling in vain I suppose, but he should have saluted her beeing wellmannered and all. But overtook by confusion...? Ann2
Yes, I think so. But maybe a little heavy-handed. A bit more hesitant speech could have surficed maybe. Hilary
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: : : The other meeting in the garden that I liked but didn't make it into the film, was the one at Netherfield where the Bingly sisters try to snub Lizzie by squashing her off the path. They try to include Darcy in the snub, he tries to correct it, but Lizzie skips away from them all.
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: : Yes , I have read about the symbolic meaning of the road not beeing wide enough to give room for Lizzy and she leaves them. And at Pemberley in the book, where Darcy approaches them for the second time she has recently crossed a bridge and then they are able to meet and walk side by side. Don´t remember the datails.
: : Ann2
Yes, I've read the first of those. Have you read the stuff about the symbolizm of Pemberly too? Pemberly being the symbol of the correct outlook on life, way of living, relationship with your community, and managing your estates well (hence all the good fruits at Darcy's table). And Darcy as a kind of personification of all this?
Hilary
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... That is why he sort of smirks at her "on foot",he really thought it was amusing, but then she reminds him how she doesn't like him.
Yes , I agree, and as well he maybe feels that he shouldn't approve. H.
... Instead she is insulted again and comes back with I don't care what you think attitude, "I 've come to inquireabout my sister.Would you please take me to her". He saw her attitude and didn't say anything else.
And, in fact, she walks very briskly ahead of him, so he doesn't have much chance to escort her. H.
I think it we must go back to the dance at Meryton I think he might know now that she as overheard what he said because he is always trying to be nice to her but she won't let him ...
I don't think he knows, he's is just attracted to her. H.
....because she is afraid she might fall in love with a rich man
Why would this bother Lizzie? Wouldn't that be her wish?
Enjoyed all your comments Ann2 and Donna, thanks.
Hilary.
Posted by deborah on October 19, 1996 at 16:24:30:
: : : : : Why should these events be connected with water?
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: : : LOL! Grace, I can see you have been true to your word and transferred your attentions away from the 'daggy thread'. I shall try to do the same, though I did enjoy it!
: : : Eric, I hadn't made these connections. I'm inclined to think they are not intentional, but were put in to give a feel of ordinary life.
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: : : Hilary, I think even Jane herself would have taken delight in the ladylike exchange of that thread. As an author, however, she would known when to write THE END ....as we did. Thank goodness.
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: I just thought that all the water stuff was because Colin Firth just looks so good wet. Think about it -- It must be a standard clause in his contracts. Wet in P&P2, Wet in Valmont (when he falls in the lake to get Meg Tilly's attention), wet in Month in the Country (getting quite rained on while looking at the church gutters), and again wet in The Advocate (public bath scene).
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Posted by Joan, too on October 19, 1996 at 16:49:37:
: Ann2:
: Amy´s observation on "wired beauty" some days ago makes me think of some passages that I missheard in a similar manner. After miss Bingley´s warning to Lizzy about Wickham, Lizzy is quite upset and says something to Jane of a poultry attack I see before me a bunch of angry hens and other feathered friends...
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A bery funny mental image. ;-) "Poultry" is an easy one to misshear because of the British pronounciation of the "a" vowel. The word is "paltry" meaning: being often contemptibly insignificant or unimportant; of inferior quality; contemptibly limited. But the way that the Brits pronounce the "a" sound as in the word "all" makes it sound more like it should be spelled "ol" - with a long "o".
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Posted by Joan, too on October 19, 1996 at 16:59:12:
: Janet:
: This must be upsetting for you. I can well imagine how you must feel, but clearly you have many friends here who understand and appreciate what you are doing. As a newcomer, I do not know the history of how this site came to be, but there seems to be a nice following. It would be a shame to allow those who "do not have anything better to do" to disrupt the good intentions and enjoyment of others. As Mary B. might say, "let not them put asunder" or something like that... You are held in high regard by others more worthy. Thank you for what you are doing.
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As Darcy says, "That is the material point."
Joan, too
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Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 17:04:37:
: : : I just saw that a new Jane Eyre movie has been made starring William Hurt. Anyone know anything about it?
: : : Is it playing yet?
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For fans of the book, the BBC version with Timothy Dalton and Zelah Clarke should be more to their liking. Clarke and Dalton are terrific, and it's extremely faithful to the original text.
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Hadn't heard about the Hurt version. Just watched the
Dalton/Clarke version while on vacation. Enjoyed it a great
deal.
Anne
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 17:15:26:
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: : I just thought that all the water stuff was because Colin Firth just looks so good wet. Think about it -- It must be a standard clause in his contracts. Wet in P&P2, Wet in Valmont (when he falls in the lake to get Meg Tilly's attention), wet in Month in the Country (getting quite rained on while looking at the church gutters), and again wet in The Advocate (public bath scene).
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: Grace
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At least you didn't rain on her parade.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 17:24:45:
As for the Gary Cooper crush, not really. Of that generation I prefer Cary Grant. And Gregory Peck in most things (To Kill a Mockingbird may be my favorite movie of all time)
: Amy
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Amy -
Agree with you about Cary Grant - he could do suave or silly. Of course, one of my favorites is An Affair to Remember! Favorite Peck movie - Gentleman's Agreement.
Anne
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 17:26:34:
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: There is something in Gregory Pecks voice the deepness of tone. I think Colin Firth has this too so does I don't know if you know of John Philip Law he as a tone of voice. Their voices are very appealing.
: ciao Donna
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Remember a time when I was madly in love with John Philip
Law (Hurry Sundown).
Anne
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 17:44:01:
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: But then Lizzy wouldn't have been able to see him in his wet
: T-shirt...I mean shirt!
: Ann
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If you notice, however, the shirt is dripping wet when he is
walking with the groom but by the time he gets to Lizzy the
shirt is almost dry.
(noticed that on my nth viewing this week)
Anne
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 17:55:48:
: : : Were you at Purdue? I am in Bloomington!
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: : Yes! I spent 2 very happy years there as a post-doc. ___________________
: What is your field of study? Makes me think we ought to put the bios questions back up for newer people but I don't feel like formatting the results and our volunteer staff is not yet up to speed.
: Amy
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My sister got her BS in Physics from Purdue.
I got to visit her for a few days -- beautiful campus.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 18:04:07:
: : "all this 'non touching' was almost too much."
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: : I agree, I wanted Lizzie to jump in his arms.
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: That was the point wasn't it? Make us think, 'Grab her, dummy! Do what you are thinking about.'
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Did anyone notice in the scene just before the last walk -
when Darcy and Bingley come into the sitting room, Bingley
goes to kiss Jane's hand (or that's what it looks like as it
goes out of frame). I guess a kiss on the hand is ok if you're engaged.
Anne
Posted by Amy on October 19, 1996 at 18:08:11:
: My sister got her BS in Physics from Purdue.
: I got to visit her for a few days -- beautiful campus.
: Anne
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How was your vacation? Did you go cold turkey from P&P? How was the online withdrawl -- or did you end up sneaking into a cybercafe or conning your friends into signing up for a trial AOL sub?
Amy
Posted by Jane on October 19, 1996 at 18:10:52:
It seems that this is the only way to deal with problem. It is thoughtless of people to terrorize us. We have our own thoughts and ideas, and no one should be able to judge us as right or wrong. This bulletin is a service to the communities of the world, and if certain people don't like us, they can stay away. It's like hate-mail; someone wrote it, but it does not represent the feelings of all the people.
Posted by Anne on October 19, 1996 at 18:13:29:
: Thanks for that info - I found the ISBN in the FAQ and rang my local bookshop - they were most impressed that I could quote the number for them. Now all I have to do is wait for 2 weeks while they order it in :)
: Saman.
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It is amazing how impressed bookstore clerks can be by being provided with the ISBN. I wanted to get the version of Camille with the pictures of CF so provided the ISBN for lookup on the computer. (They did have it)
Anne
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