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Posted by Rose on October 17, 1996 at 19:09:01:
: : : : : : Aaahhhh!
: : : : : : Cheryl
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: : : : : Or as Kitty and Lydia would put it, "Mmmmmmmmmmmmm!"
: : : : : Mary H
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: : : : When I saw all these posts I thought you were all going to give me a hard time because I hadn't looked closely enough and they were daisies or something!
: : : : Hilary
: : : Apart from how cute Darcy looks striding through the buttercups - I did wonder how many takes they had to do of this scene and whether they had to bring on special 'buttercup groomers' to have them looking 'unstrode through'
: : : Pity Darcy wasn't even less formally attired - didn't they have speedos in those days!!
: : : Cheers
: : : Rose
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: : why this reminds me of a perivous thread concerning Darcys attire.
: : I think I'll reread it.
: : Mich
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: : Oh, no!
: : Grace
Which previous thread - Have I missed something.
Drat!
Rose
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Posted by Kali on October 17, 1996 at 19:10:08:
: : I am profiling Colin Firth (P&P's "Mr.Darcy") for a "Magazine
: : Writing" course (and for possible publication). To this end,
: : I am seeking quotes regarding Colin Firth and/or his portrayal
: : of Mr.Darcy (I am trying to convey "public opinion" about
: : Mr.Firth). I would appreciate any opinions - that you might post
: : in response to this - regarding Mr. Firth. Thank you, Allison
: Hi Allison,
: I'd say that Colin Firth as Mr Darcy showed a modern day emotional approach to a role full of sexual tension. Where he couldn't say what he wanted and looked almost tortured at times. Those long lingering looks of his were just wonderful and I found myself feeling very sorry for him. Even though he was a proud and arrogant man, Darcy got more than he deserved from a proud and prejudiced Elizabeth.
: I'd like to see Colin Firth in a role where he wasn't so gorgeous - "Hunchback of Notre Dame" perhaps - just to see whether he can put out the same amount of emotion without the sex appeal.
: Good luck with the article.
: Cheers
: Rose
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Rose is right. CF is quite good at using emotion and body language in lieu of dialog. He practically eminates desire and frustration without busting his calm (ouch, what an image that calls up! Gag, I'm turning into Lydia...).
- K
Posted by Kali on October 17, 1996 at 19:11:29:
: : I have a job interview tomorrow morning with Boeing.
: : Wish me luck.
: : Ann
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: You go Girl.
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So, how did it go?
- K
Posted by Pamela on October 17, 1996 at 19:14:27:
: : I am profiling Colin Firth (P&P's "Mr.Darcy") for a "Magazine
: : Writing" course (and for possible publication). To this end,
: : I am seeking quotes regarding Colin Firth and/or his portrayal
: : of Mr.Darcy (I am trying to convey "public opinion" about
: : Mr.Firth). I would appreciate any opinions - that you might post
: : in response to this - regarding Mr. Firth. Thank you, Allison
: Hi Allison,
: I'd say that Colin Firth as Mr Darcy showed a modern day emotional approach to a role full of sexual tension. Where he couldn't say what he wanted and looked almost tortured at times. Those long lingering looks of his were just wonderful and I found myself feeling very sorry for him. Even though he was a proud and arrogant man, Darcy got more than he deserved from a proud and prejudiced Elizabeth.
: I'd like to see Colin Firth in a role where he wasn't so gorgeous - "Hunchback of Notre Dame" perhaps - just to see whether he can put out the same amount of emotion without the sex appeal.
: Good luck with the article.
: Cheers
: Rose
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Personally, I love the beautifull "stares" of his, but I love it even more when he smiles.... Like the scene in P&P where Eliza, Clonel Fitzwilliam, and Darcy are at the piano at Lady grouchy's house and he smiles one of only two times in the whole movie. That is the C.F. I like!
When he smiles it gives him a whole different personality, wonder what he is like in person?
Pamela
Posted by Kali on October 17, 1996 at 19:17:20:
: : . . . Gregory Peck in most things (To Kill a Mockingbird may be my favorite movie of all time)
: : Amy
: I haven't been able to get to this BB in quite a while now, but this evening I managed to get on, and what do I find but a thread that includes Gregory Peck. At one point in my life I thought I'd gone beyond crushes, but then I saw Gregory Peck in Roman Holiday and felt my stomach go flip flop once again and realized that I was wrong. (There may be a point at which one gets beyond crushes, but I had not, and have not, yet reached it if there is.) Gregory Peck was so incredibly good looking, it was amazing to me. He is truly a man of whom it can be said that he was beautiful.
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Lord, Atticus Finch (AKA GP) was wonderful. And Gregory Peck is, of course, a Cal Berkeley Alum! ;)
Speaking of Roman Holiday, is anyone here an expert on Upton Sinclair (a completely unrelated tangent, I know...)?
- K
Posted by Marie on October 17, 1996 at 19:27:06:
It also helps if you do not own the videos. For me, going cold turkey was the only way. As long as I had a set, I kept watching them. I would watch with my coffee when I got up in the morning, and watch, and watch, and watch, and then race around at the last minute to get to work on time. The cassettes were not mine, so I had to return them--mercifully, because I found that in watching the series I could see that my pleasure in them was following the law of diminishing returns, i.e., I no longer derived the same pleasure from the seventh viewing that I had from the first viewing. But if you own the videos, I don't know what you can do, other than send them cross country to a friend or sister so that you absolutely cannot watch them.
: Give it time. Real life soon sets in and you find time to tear yourself away and do other things. I read the book first in the seventh grade - and caught the fever bad. Young people get the worst obsessions. I read the thing over and over, saw the 1940 movie version, and was so nervous about it all that I didn't eat right or sleep well for days. But I'm cured now - for the most part. Even P&P2 didn't alter my eating or sleeping habits.
: - K
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Posted by Saman on October 17, 1996 at 19:40:44:
: I just saw that a new Jane Eyre movie has been made starring William Hurt. Anyone know anything about it?
: Is it playing yet?
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I know that it stars Anna Paquin ("The Piano") as a young Jane, and is due to open in New Zealand next week. I assume that means it must be playing elsewhere in the world already. I plan to go and see it sometime soon, because "Jane Eyre" is my favourite novel (yes, I prefer it to P&P!).
Saman
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Posted by Joan, too on October 17, 1996 at 19:58:10:
: Cheryl:
: Another language practice that takes me aback when I read it is the use of the singular possessive. When I speak of a relation while talking to my brother I always say "our mother" or "our aunt". But Jane will say to Lizzy "I must go to *my* mother" leaving me to say to myself "well, isn't she Lizzy's mother, too?" I know it's a little thing, but it irks me.
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Me too! It does not seem to make sense grammatically or any other way, and I find it difficult to understand how or why such usage should have arisen at all.
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 17, 1996 at 20:01:03:
: Makes me think we ought to put the bios questions back up for newer people but I don't feel like formatting the results and our volunteer staff is not yet up to speed.
: Amy
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Go ahead - I still have my bio.html template.
Joan, too
Posted by hat on October 17, 1996 at 20:07:10:
: : : We understand wanting wealth in the family but this woman is obsessed!
: : Mrs. Bennet drives me nuts, too. I have very little time for her.
: : But for another perspective, here are a few bits from Fay Weldon's book "Letters to Alice on first reading JA":
: : Hilary
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: Do you know what the average life span of man and woman was?
: Just curious
: Mich
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No, I don't, but I've always assumed about 40-45, much less than now. JA herself lived 1775 - 1817, whats that, 42 years.
Hilary
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Posted by Joan, too on October 17, 1996 at 20:15:14:
: "the feedback that he gives her is quite condescending and disapproving. ("On foot?") He does not offer to take her to Jane, but forces her to ask."
: I wonder if it is intended to be condescending and disapproving so much as it reflects his surprise and the lack of talent he professes at Rosings. The disapproval is not expressed until he agrees with Miss Bingley that he would not like his sister to "make such an exhibition." Even here, however, it is not certain that he disapproves of Elizabeth doing so. He would not be the first man to find a woman's improprieties appealing, provided she's not relation.
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It may not have been Darcy's deliberate intention to be condescending and disapproving, but that is the way that he appears in general - not just in Lizzie's eyes. Jane Austen comments that "Bingley was sure of being liked wherever he appeared, Darcy was continually giving offense."
Joan, too
Posted by hat on October 17, 1996 at 20:34:00:
: : But before he sees her playing with the dog, he's bathing. Before he hands her the letter, he's washing up. Before he meets her in the garden at Pemberly, he's swimming. The first one is where his own prejudice cracks. The second two signify the cracking of her prejudice, and the time when she suddenly, she desires his good opinion.
: : Why should these events be connected with water?
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: Inadequate 19th-century English plumbing precludes a brisk cold shower.
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Yes, but then we'd expect it after (not before) the event, wouldn't we?
Hilary
Posted by hat on October 17, 1996 at 21:12:54:
: I just saw that a new Jane Eyre movie has been made starring William Hurt. Anyone know anything about it?
: Is it playing yet?
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I saw it about a month ago (in Aust). I also only recently read the book, but that was before I saw the film. I should say that I dont't particularly like the book. It is too gothic, moralistic/religous/pious, master-servant-ish, and involves too many forced coincidences for my taste.
The film was quite a disapointment, because large chunks of the story are left out. Just about all the storyline after she leaves Rochester, the bit about setting up a school, and discovering her cousins, and the struggle with St.John are extremely sketchy or left out altogether. Its like they got half way through and ran out of steam. The earlier gypsy scene which I thought quite important, and the storm and tree being ripped asunder during his proposal aren't included either.(If you are going to be Gothic at least you should do it properly!)
That said, the rest is good, and beautifully filmed. Amanda Root (Persausion) is a great Mrs. Temple (is that the right name?). Both young (it is Anna Panquin) and older Janes are well portrayed. Elle McPherson plays the beautiful, shallow, greedy woman that Jane thinks Rochester is going to marry, thus leading us yet again to assume that this is the real Elle.
William Hurt is a wonderful Rochester. The film is worth seeing just for his portrayal. I've always really liked him and his work, which was the reason I wanted to see it in the first place.
Hilary
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Posted by Tommye on October 17, 1996 at 21:15:24:
: I am profiling Colin Firth (P&P's "Mr.Darcy") for a "Magazine
: Writing" course (and for possible publication). To this end,
: I am seeking quotes regarding Colin Firth and/or his portrayal
: of Mr.Darcy (I am trying to convey "public opinion" about
: Mr.Firth). I would appreciate any opinions - that you might post
: in response to this - regarding Mr. Firth. Thank you, Allison
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Colin Firth became the embodiment of Jane Austen's
Mr. Darcy, succeeding where others had failed in portraying Darcy's arrogance, yet showing a tenderness beneath the surface; outrageous hautiness, yet as vulnerable as he was pompous. So effective was he that many say it was well nigh impossible not to become emotionally drawn in by Mr. Darcy. It could be said that Firth's portrayal of Darcy is the fuel that has flamed the remarkable currrent popularity of Jane Austen's works, with A&E's adaptation surpassing all others. Surely he accomplished what otherwise fine actors failed to do-- overcoming the inherent stiffness of Mr. Darcy without his becoming a caricature.
Tommye
Posted by Candace on October 17, 1996 at 21:22:47:
: : : : Why should these events be connected with water?
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: : : : Are you sure you want to plunge into this?
: : LOL! Grace, I can see you have been true to your word and transferred your attentions away from the 'daggy thread'. I shall try to do the same, though I did enjoy it!
: : Eric, I hadn't made these connections. I'm inclined to think they are not intentional, but were put in to give a feel of ordinary life.
: : Hilary
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: : Hilary, I think even Jane herself would have taken delight in the ladylike exchange of that thread. As an author, however, she would known when to write THE END ....as we did. Thank goodness.
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I just thought that all the water stuff was because Colin Firth just looks so good wet. Think about it -- It must be a standard clause in his contracts. Wet in P&P2, Wet in Valmont (when he falls in the lake to get Meg Tilly's attention), wet in Month in the Country (getting quite rained on while looking at the church gutters), and again wet in The Advocate (public bath scene).
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Posted by hat on October 17, 1996 at 21:26:02:
: : : : : : : Aaahhhh!
: : : : : : : Cheryl
: : : : : :
: : : : : : ___________________
: : : : : :
: : : : : : Or as Kitty and Lydia would put it, "Mmmmmmmmmmmmm!"
: : : : : : Mary H
: : : : :
: : : : : ___________________
: : : : : When I saw all these posts I thought you were all going to give me a hard time because I hadn't looked closely enough and they were daisies or something!
: : : : : Hilary
: : : : Apart from how cute Darcy looks striding through the buttercups - I did wonder how many takes they had to do of this scene and whether they had to bring on special 'buttercup groomers' to have them looking 'unstrode through'
: : : : Pity Darcy wasn't even less formally attired - didn't they have speedos in those days!!
: : : : Cheers
: : : : Rose
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : why this reminds me of a perivous thread concerning Darcys attire.
: : : I think I'll reread it.
: : : Mich
: :
: : ___________________
: :
: : : Oh, no!
: : : Grace
: Which previous thread - Have I missed something.
: Drat!
: Rose
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Rose, you can still catch this. It is the 'Daggy' thread, which originally starts as 'Oh, and speaking of hands'. And thanks to Betty who put us down that track.
Enjoy!
Hilary
Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 21:56:38:
: : : : : Why should these events be connected with water?
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: : : : : Are you sure you want to plunge into this?
: : : LOL! Grace, I can see you have been true to your word and transferred your attentions away from the 'daggy thread'. I shall try to do the same, though I did enjoy it!
: : : Eric, I hadn't made these connections. I'm inclined to think they are not intentional, but were put in to give a feel of ordinary life.
: : : Hilary
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: : : Hilary, I think even Jane herself would have taken delight in the ladylike exchange of that thread. As an author, however, she would known when to write THE END ....as we did. Thank goodness.
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: I just thought that all the water stuff was because Colin Firth just looks so good wet. Think about it -- It must be a standard clause in his contracts. Wet in P&P2, Wet in Valmont (when he falls in the lake to get Meg Tilly's attention), wet in Month in the Country (getting quite rained on while looking at the church gutters), and again wet in The Advocate (public bath scene).
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: Yes, that theory holds water.
Grace
Posted by Tommye on October 17, 1996 at 21:59:21:
: Anybody like Liam Neeson? Hear anything about the new movie, "Michael Collins?"
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Very much. For a little heard-about movie, I highly recommend "Ethan Frome," an adaptation of a novel by Edith Wharton, which came out a few years ago. It is very difficult to get, but when I lived in VA, I was able to rent it from Blockbuster Video. Liam Neeson was absolutely wonderful and extremely passionate in this movie. There is one incredible scene...
The movie itself is rather dark and sad...a real encouragement for people to marry WELL the first time!
Tommye
Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 22:11:20:
: : I just saw that a new Jane Eyre movie has been made starring William Hurt. Anyone know anything about it?
: : Is it playing yet?
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: I know that it stars Anna Paquin ("The Piano") as a young Jane, and is due to open in New Zealand next week. I assume that means it must be playing elsewhere in the world already. I plan to go and see it sometime soon, because "Jane Eyre" is my favourite novel (yes, I prefer it to P&P!).
: Saman
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: The Timothy Dalton version is so wonderful, I don't know if I can bear to see this new one.
: Grace
Posted by Lilian on October 17, 1996 at 22:45:11:
: I just saw that a new Jane Eyre movie has been made starring William Hurt. Anyone know anything about it?
: Is it playing yet?
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I saw it about 2 months ago and I had mixed reactions to it. If you have not read the book then you may enjoy it (as some of my friends did) but having read the book a number of times and studying it I was quite disappointed. Half the story line was no in it and there were major scenes of quite importance to the novel that was not in it! (ie. Jane's proposal by St.John) I suppose you could not really do justice to a book like that in 2 hours. If they had made P&P in 2 hours it would have been a shocker!
I thought the start of the film was quite nice but then it was rushed in the end because it seemed they ran out of time.
Lilian
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