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Posted by Amy on October 17, 1996 at 13:55:06:
: I don't care much for the westerns, but I love him in the comedies, that twitchy, shy little smile of his gets me every time.
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Cooper and Firth both do that stammering, shucks ma'am thing very charmingly -- do they not?
Amy
Posted by Mich on October 17, 1996 at 14:52:07:
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: : A&E's by far. The other either went to far from the book or had no life. A&E captured Austen the best. how about you?
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: For some strange reason I like PP1's Elizabeth - she seemed sweeter and more demure? I also liked the ending of PP1 - at least she took his arm after they find out they love each other - all this 'non touching' was almost too much.
: And the much talked about kiss at the end of PP2 - An actor recently talked about how actors kiss and this was a good example of it. Though I do realise they are acting!?
: Otherwise I really like it and watch it often. I'd like to see the original P&P with Olivier - as he was supposed to be the ultimate Darcy!
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I watched Olivier version of Darcy with a great deal of dissapontment. Do see it and tell me what you think.
For me, Firth played the ultimate Darcy. He is the only Darcy of the three I found attractive as a character.
"all this 'non touching' was almost too much."
I agree, I wanted Lizzie to jump in his arms.
Mich
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Posted by Amy on October 17, 1996 at 14:58:11:
: "all this 'non touching' was almost too much."
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: I agree, I wanted Lizzie to jump in his arms.
: Mich
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That was the point wasn't it? Make us think, 'Grab her, dummy! Do what you are thinking about.'
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Posted by Jennifer on October 17, 1996 at 15:23:46:
: I find it interesting that before almost every meeting which tends to revise Lizzie's opinion of Darcy, or vice versa, Darcy is washing - at least, in P&P2. I do not, I confess, know if this is the case in the book.
: There is one instance where this is not the case - the Lucas party at which he decides she has fine eyes and is more than merely tolerable.
: But before he sees her playing with the dog, he's bathing. Before he hands her the letter, he's washing up. Before he meets her in the garden at Pemberly, he's swimming. The first one is where his own prejudice cracks. The second two signify the cracking of her prejudice, and the time when she suddenly, she desires his good opinion.
: Why should these events be connected with water?
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I didn't originally notice the connection, but now that you mention it... I always thought that Darcy was about to commit suicide in the pond at Pemberley. In the book, however, there is no mention made of his swimming at all prior to his meeting with Elizabeth. I simply figured he didn't have the guts to go through with his suicide attempt after he dove in.
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Posted by Mich on October 17, 1996 at 15:37:57:
: : "all this 'non touching' was almost too much."
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: : I agree, I wanted Lizzie to jump in his arms.
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: That was the point wasn't it? Make us think, 'Grab her, dummy! Do what you are thinking about.'
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Exactly! I always thought if Lizzie had just hugged him or touched him he would have lost control and been all over her. In a gentleman's way of course. You know his passion was right on the edge.
Mich
Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 15:48:58:
: I find it interesting that before almost every meeting which tends to revise Lizzie's opinion of Darcy, or vice versa, Darcy is washing - at least, in P&P2. I do not, I confess, know if this is the case in the book.
: There is one instance where this is not the case - the Lucas party at which he decides she has fine eyes and is more than merely tolerable.
: But before he sees her playing with the dog, he's bathing. Before he hands her the letter, he's washing up. Before he meets her in the garden at Pemberly, he's swimming. The first one is where his own prejudice cracks. The second two signify the cracking of her prejudice, and the time when she suddenly, she desires his good opinion.
: Why should these events be connected with water?
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: Are you sure you want to plunge into this? Prepare yourself for essays containing some of the following phrases: made a splash....left her boiling....trickle of interest....feelings washing over him....drowning in emotion....like the pull of the tides....a cool miss(t).... thinking he's a drip....cleansing himself of mortifying thoughts....putting up dams between them....long dry spell....poring out his heart....storm of anger....engulfing sadness....waves of sorrow....crying out....tears on my pillow....a parched soul....stripping himself of pride....Baptism!....flowing towards each other........gentle currents....fishing for something/hooking it....rain clouds on the horizon....gonna wash that man right out of my hair....sea of love....flood of happiness....showers of good wishes....cut to the fountain on Married with Children............! I did warn you.
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Posted by hat on October 17, 1996 at 16:05:40:
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LOL! Grace, I can see you have been true to your word and transferred your attentions away from the 'daggy thread'. I shall try to do the same, though I did enjoy it!
Eric, I hadn't made these connections. I'm inclined to think they are not intentional, but were put in to give a feel of ordinary life.
Hilary
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Posted by hat on October 17, 1996 at 16:11:35:
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: Or as Kitty and Lydia would put it, "Mmmmmmmmmmmmm!"
: Mary H
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When I saw all these posts I thought you were all going to give me a hard time because I hadn't looked closely enough and they were daisies or something!
Hilary
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Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 16:17:24:
: : : So true, Hilary. Ah, but I had thought what we were talking about could go on and on and on........
: : Ladies, we must now bring ourselves to a conclusion.
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: What a self regulating bunch we are. Almost makes you want to consider the Republican way..
: Amy
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: Self regulating....ah, yes. I, as an Independent, consider it as one of the first refinements of polished societies.
Posted by hat on October 17, 1996 at 16:24:15:
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: : : : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy
: : : What struck me about the gentlemen's wardrobes was that they never got to vary their clothing. Maybe I missed something but it looks to me as though its tails, white handkercheif linen shirt and cravat for riding, hunting, visiting, balls, walking -- everything but fencing and indoor or outdoor bathing. Like a contemporary business suit only you have to mow the lawn in it too.
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: : I when Lizzie first meets Col Fritzwilliam, Mr.Darcy seems to branch out and where a new outfit. I thought it was a nice change. He should have worn it to the wedding.
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: Don`t know if this might be a SoAdd to but I have tried to list the different outfits for Darcy and Lizzy. Yes it *is* true.. what will mysterious Mr HC think? This was before I fond this BB and had to do something connected with P&P2. I am not through the whole video but so far Mr Darcy has 7(!) different waistcoats, can
: it be true...at least five different trousers, long black, black breeches, yellow breeches, white breeches oh my compilation is not done and I do not know the names of the colours. If you wish I can return to the matter later.
: But no sweaters so far...
: Ann2
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Keep us posted, Ann2. I'd be interested to know your final results.
Hilary
Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 16:24:18:
: : : So true, Hilary. Ah, but I had thought what we were talking about could go on and on and on........
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: What a self regulating bunch we are. Almost makes you want to consider the Republican way..
: Amy
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: Self regulating....ah yes. I, as an Independent,consider it as one first refinements of polished societies.
Posted by Mich on October 17, 1996 at 16:24:25:
: : I agree. Amy's idea is mahhhhhhvelous.
: : I even detect some wistfulness in his tone when he responds to Mrs. Bennet's effusion: "Three daughters married! God has been very good to us."
: : "So it would seem," he says. "So it would seem."
: : So much for happy endings!
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: I think Mich is a little hard on Mr Bennet. How was he to know that he made the mistake of his life in marrying Mrs B?
: But to cheers us all up: given Amy´s hints on his ability to
: write, and his new possibilitys(spelling?) to get out of the house to visit Jane and Lizzy. And he did say he liked his new sons-in-law, or he very soon will. And he would get to visit Darcy´s library, of truly prodigious dimensions we must understand. And get to meet other sensible people to give his life a new start, and maybe make him do something about Kitty and Mary. Care for them I mean. And maybe even
: Mrs B... when she can stop worrying about the future...
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I don't mean to be hard on Mr. Bennet but I do feel he has a great deal of responsibility in the actions of his family.
He certainly does not take any responsibility in the actions of his younger daughters. He insults them often enough but takes no real steps toward managing their behavior. Escaping into his library is no solution. Leaving them to be guided or ignored by Mrs.Bennet is a mistake.
I love his sense of humor and pity him for having such a wife but he is a parent as well as a husband. Mrs. B is not the only one we can blame.
I guess the question is how well did he know his wife before he proposed and has she change much since then. Had he been willing to take a closer look at his future wife he may have made a different choice, one we all would have wished for him.
But if they hadn't married we would have no Lizzie and without her there is no P&P and for that I am grateful to them both.
Mich
Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 16:36:01:
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: LOL! Grace, I can see you have been true to your word and transferred your attentions away from the 'daggy thread'. I shall try to do the same, though I did enjoy it!
: Eric, I hadn't made these connections. I'm inclined to think they are not intentional, but were put in to give a feel of ordinary life.
: Hilary
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: Hilary, I think even Jane herself would have taken delight in the ladylike exchange of that thread. As an author, however, she would known when to write THE END ....as we did. Thank goodness.
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Posted by Brigid on October 17, 1996 at 16:40:56:
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Grace - Wonderful play on words above. I think that all the water symbolism is intentional and flip flop between thinking that a) he is cleansing himself of his old ways or b) he is quenching his thirst for Lizzie. I read a great quote (I might have even seen it here) that was I think - "Water, Water everywhere and not a drop of Lizzie."
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Posted by Rose on October 17, 1996 at 16:51:12:
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: When I saw all these posts I thought you were all going to give me a hard time because I hadn't looked closely enough and they were daisies or something!
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Apart from how cute Darcy looks striding through the buttercups - I did wonder how many takes they had to do of this scene and whether they had to bring on special 'buttercup groomers' to have them looking 'unstrode through'
Pity Darcy wasn't even less formally attired - didn't they have speedos in those days!!
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Rose on October 17, 1996 at 16:54:27:
: : : : Have you read the Bio on Colin Firth - I thought he was older than the 25 years that Mr Darcy was. At 34 he may have been too old for this role?
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: : : Man, I thought Darcy was supposed to be 28 or 29!
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: : : PS - I know how Amy feels - We know we're crazy, and we don't need anybody else to tell us that. Still, isn't it kind of fun to be part of a wacko cult following? If everyone were like us, it wouldn't be the same!
: : Yes I agree! I like being like this!
: : In the letter to Elizabeth, Darcy tells of his sister almost eloping with Wickham in the spring? I thought this was only the year before, as wasn't her portrait painted on her 16th birthday. And Darcy was "A brother 10 years her senior"
: : So he'd be 26? Still, what's age when you're gorgeous - like Colin!?
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: In the book's version of Darcy's second proposal, he tells Elizabeth that he had been proud & conceited "from eight to eight and twenty" so he was 28 at least by the end of the novel if not at the time of the 1st proposal.
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Ah Haa! Thanks I hadn't picked up on that bit.
More in depth study of the book required!!
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Mich on October 17, 1996 at 17:01:38:
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: : : Or as Kitty and Lydia would put it, "Mmmmmmmmmmmmm!"
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: : When I saw all these posts I thought you were all going to give me a hard time because I hadn't looked closely enough and they were daisies or something!
: : Hilary
: Apart from how cute Darcy looks striding through the buttercups - I did wonder how many takes they had to do of this scene and whether they had to bring on special 'buttercup groomers' to have them looking 'unstrode through'
: Pity Darcy wasn't even less formally attired - didn't they have speedos in those days!!
: Cheers
: Rose
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why this reminds me of a perivous thread concerning Darcys attire.
I think I'll reread it.
Mich
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Posted by Rose on October 17, 1996 at 17:05:33:
: : I rather like the idea of a CD Rom of PP2, a virtual world where they give us several endings. Where we can explore the wonderful buildings and learn more about how it was produced, costumes, music, customs of the time, Quicktime videos, and stills... 300 Megabytes could go a long way!!
: : Voyager did some good ones a few years back. Would have to be on Windows and Mac, especially Mac for me to use it!!
: : Who at BBC do I send my idea to!!
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: Ah! This would be a laserdisk - that's what Pioneer does so well - an excellent suggestion! If there were such a product, I would even go out and purchase a laserdisk player to play it on!
: Joan, too
Yes we have one of those at work and I could have it on permanent loan!!
Rose
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Posted by Jenny on October 17, 1996 at 17:06:16:
: Anybody like Liam Neeson? Hear anything about the new movie, "Michael Collins?"
I watched Siskel & Ebert who gave Michael Collins two thumbs up. I am a big fan of Liam Neeson. But, does it bother anyone else that they would have chosen Julia Roberts to play the girlfriend/wife of Michael Collins (Liam Neeson's character) in the movie? Like there aren't enough well qualified Irish actresses to play the part.
Posted by Stefanie on October 17, 1996 at 17:09:14:
: Well, Ann, since you've already let it be known the suffering Lizzy and Darcy would have to endure for 15 years before the mandatory positive closure, I must say that I couldn't take it.
: Tommye
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Last week, I would have agreed with you about reading a story about Elizabeth and Darcy that was sad and suspenseful. However, since my computer crashed last Monday, I have been feeding my addiction by reading some of the published sequels. While two of them in particular were really NOT happy, I still couldn't put them down. (Pemberley and An Unequal Marriage.) I guess that I just had to know that everything would be okay in the end.
Has anyone else read these books? I couldn't believe the fact that Tennant actually had the Darcys on the point of seperation in both books!!
I also read Pemberley Shades and it was better.
-Stefanie :)
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