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Posted by Cheryl on October 17, 1996 at 04:33:52:
: Anybody like Liam Neeson? Hear anything about the new movie, "Michael Collins?"
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LOVE Neeson, thought he was fabulous in Schindler, Nell, Rob Roy and have been a fan since Suspect. He is not really handsome, but there is something very appealing and accomplished in his air altogether (had to get P&P2 in there somewhere!) I am looking forward to Michael Collins (there's that name again) and seeing how he makes the founder of modern urban terrorist tactics charismatic and likeable (which by all accounts I have read he has managed to do). I have heard that this movie is causing some tension in the UK. Can any of our English friends comment?
Cheryl
Amy, it is interesting how our taste in actors is so very similar. Next you'll be telling me that you also love Gary Cooper and Ralph Feinnes (two other actors I admire and people go "huh?")
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Posted by Ian on October 17, 1996 at 04:37:16:
: Ian, you said Jane was looking for our input on improving the page? How about linking the locations to the appropriate pages on the site below?
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I'll tell Jane about the link. Having visited the site I would recommend it for those of you looking for images of famous British landmarks. There is even a Jane Austen resource.
A quick visit turned up this image of Sheldon Manor in the Cotswolds. However it looks more like a place that Rochester would have lived rather than the Bennets.
Posted by Cheryl on October 17, 1996 at 04:44:14:
: Yes, grammatically it is correct as it is - his (Darcy's) mother and hers (Ann's) mother. It is a somewhat archaic form of expression, but I also like to think that it was a method used by Lady C. to attribute greater consequence to herself by speaking of herself in the third person (which the present day media has also commented on with regard to one of the current presidental candidates' habit of speaking of himself in the thrid person).
: Joan, too
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Yes, Joan, too is correct here, Lady Catherine was speaking in the third person (much as Bob Dole says Bob Dole does), and Ann is correct also in saying that this mode of address is out of style, or at least not used much (which is why Bob Dole is getting ribbed so much about it- just one more old, out of touch with today affectation).
Another language practice that takes me aback when I read it is the use of the singular possessive. When I speak of a relation while talking to my brother I always say "our mother" or "our aunt". But Jane will say to Lizzy "I must go to *my* mother" leaving me to say to myself "well, isn't she Lizzy's mother, too?" I know it's a little thing, but it irks me.
Cheryl
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Posted by Cheryl on October 17, 1996 at 04:45:57:
: To have him striding through those buttercups was a stroke of genius. They'll have to rewrite all those fairy tales. Prince Charming doesn't come riding up on a white horse after all. He comes striding through the buttercups.
: -Arnessa.
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Aaahhhh!
Cheryl
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Posted by Ian on October 17, 1996 at 04:47:20:
: Initially it was the "pair of fine eyes", but he soon began to appreciate
: the whole of her countenance.
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: Chapter Six
: "Occupied in observing Mr. Bingley's attentions to her sister,
: Elizabeth was far from suspecting that she was herself becoming
: an object of some interest in the eyes of his friend. Mr. Darcy
: had at first scarcely allowed her to be pretty; he had looked at her
: without admiration at the ball; and when they next met, he looked
: at her only to criticize. But no sooner had he made it clear to
: himself and his friends that she had hardly a good feature in her
: face, than he began to find it was rendered uncommonly intelligent
: by the beautiful expression of her dark eyes. To this discovery
: succeeded some others equally mortifying. Though he had dectected
: with a critical eye more than one failure of perfect symmetry
: in her form, he was forced to acknowledge her figure to be light
: and pleasing; and in spite of his asserting that her manners were
: not those of the fashionable world, he was caught by their easy
: playfulness." ...
: Linda
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I should have paid more attention to reading the book! But do you think that it was Lizzy's playfulness and unabashed responses that more caught Darcy's appreciation than her figure alone. No doubt he perceived her "light and pleasing" form too. Lizzy's form certainly lead to his greater appreciation later after her vigorous walk to Netherfield especially after a little exposure to the sun and the weather. What Lizzy would have done for ten Wonder Bras!
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Posted by kathleen on October 17, 1996 at 06:01:40:
: : : Have you read the Bio on Colin Firth - I thought he was older than the 25 years that Mr Darcy was. At 34 he may have been too old for this role?
: : : Rose:
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: : Man, I thought Darcy was supposed to be 28 or 29!
: : - K
: : PS - I know how Amy feels - We know we're crazy, and we don't need anybody else to tell us that. Still, isn't it kind of fun to be part of a wacko cult following? If everyone were like us, it wouldn't be the same!
: Yes I agree! I like being like this!
: In the letter to Elizabeth, Darcy tells of his sister almost eloping with Wickham in the spring? I thought this was only the year before, as wasn't her portrait painted on her 16th birthday. And Darcy was "A brother 10 years her senior"
: So he'd be 26? Still, what's age when you're gorgeous - like Colin!?
: Cheers
: Rose
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In the book's version of Darcy's second proposal, he tells Elizabeth that he had been proud & conceited "from eight to eight and twenty" so he was 28 at least by the end of the novel if not at the time of the 1st proposal.
kathleen
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Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 08:18:48:
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: : : : : : Ah, I see -- I will have to watch again to see if I agree -- One thing I did notice after watching P&P2 too many times (Is that possible?) was that Mr. Darcy was not too consistant with which side he dressed to...I'm sorry -- I just couldn't help noticing this.
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: : : : : LOL! I must admit that I noticed this too (and Anna-karin thinks she is the only one with a dirty mind!) and was surprised. I thought men were excessively careful about that sort of thing. Dare we ask any of our resident gentlemen...? No, we dare not, it is too delicate a subject to dwell upon.
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: : : : : Cheryl and Candace, you have obviously thought long and ..no, how shall I word it?.....carefully...on this subject. Others of us, however, may find it difficult to grasp the thrust of your conversation. Are we to understand that ladies of your sensibilities are taking sides in regard to the male members of the cast?
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: : : Oh! shocking! Abomnible reply!
: : : Daggier by the minute! I love it!
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: : : Shocking? Abominable? Hilary, I fail to grasp your meaning. I was only seeking a clear outline of the topic the ladies wished to bring out for us.
: : Quickly on to another point-- I do thank you again for introducing me to that word DAGGY. It has endless application in my world of engineering and computer types.
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: Grace, I wish bringing out the topic were a case of 'nothing so easy, if you have but the inclination'. But I feel we will be disapointed.
: Hilary
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: So true, Hilary. Ah, but I had thought what we were talking about could go on and on and on........
Ladies, we must now bring ourselves to a conclusion.
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Posted by Amy on October 17, 1996 at 08:30:51:
: : So true, Hilary. Ah, but I had thought what we were talking about could go on and on and on........
: Ladies, we must now bring ourselves to a conclusion.
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What a self regulating bunch we are. Almost makes you want to consider the Republican way..
Amy
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Posted by Ann2 on October 17, 1996 at 08:52:10:
: : : : Another possible link in the chain of gossip from Hunsford to Meryton --- remember that Lizzy's maid travelled with her and would have been in the house on the proposal night.
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: : Maid Lizzie had a maid? how did i miss this?
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: I will have to re-read this section. I recall that Lizzie's maid went to Derbyshire with her, but did not remember that happening on the Hunsford trip.
: Joan, too
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I think the maid travels with Lizzy in the P&P1 version (Where neither Sir William nor
Maria Lucas are accompaning her to Hunsford). But is she
in the book?
Ann2
Posted by Ann2 on October 17, 1996 at 09:17:17:
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: : : : Cheryl and Candace, you have obviously thought long and ..no, how shall I word it?.....carefully...on this subject. Others of us, however, may find it difficult to grasp the thrust of your conversation. Are we to understand that ladies of your sensibilities are taking sides in regard to the male members of the cast?
: : : Grace
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: : I suppose you may say that we have noticed how the admirable Mr. Firth takes sides, or should I say vacillates as to which side he should take.
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: : Your discernment is indeed remarkable. Though I have always prided myself on a keen power of observation, today I am humbled.
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This is not to be borne - in silence as I have tried to. Lurking(?) I must take this opportunity to tell you that I am excessivly diverted ...
dare not to parttake as the feeling for nuances required
in this fencing might fail me and then the deligth would be gone.
Ann2 (now certain that not only swedish females let their
eyes wander...)
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Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 09:31:02:
: : : : Another possible link in the chain of gossip from Hunsford to Meryton --- remember that Lizzy's maid travelled with her and would have been in the house on the proposal night.
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: : Maid Lizzie had a maid? how did i miss this?
: : Mich
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: I will have to re-read this section. I recall that Lizzie's maid went to Derbyshire with her, but did not remember that happening on the Hunsford trip.
: Joan, too
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: Sorry to cause confusion. The scene at the inn at Lambton where Darcy offers to call Lizzy's maid (not in P&P2 script?) made me think that ladies always travelled with a maid. Granted, Darcy could have just assumed that Lizzy had a maid and been wrong about this.
People of modest means did manage to keep servants - look at the Dashwood ladies, who retained two members of their old staff even when their circumstances changed so drastically.
I haven't watched P&P1 in a long time, but I think that they went to the trouble of showing a maid getting out of the coach just after Lizzy (when she returns home from Hunsford and begins to tell Jane about her trip) . Then again, I may be confused - I find that all these versions are beginning to get jumbled.
P&P2 did show a maid attending to Lizzy's hair prior to the Netherfield ball. It showed a maid(or maids) at the Collinses' parsonage.
To those who know more about the times, would a gentleman's daughter have travelled without a maid?
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Posted by Brigid on October 17, 1996 at 09:31:11:
: Here's a bit of trivia
Thanks for the trivia. I love fiquring out who is related or working with whom. Any idea what play Colin Firth's sister is in?
Posted by Ann2 on October 17, 1996 at 09:33:51:
: : : He certainly didn't spend hours on combing his hair -- throughout the film it had a "scrunched" look, which became him rather well!
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: : I certainly noticed the hair, but it is not only Darcy. None
: : of the men look like they have ever seen a comb. I assume
: : that that was the fashion.
: : Ann
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: Sometimes the hair, esp. Colin Firth's, looked downright greasy. Ew.
: I assume people back then weren't into scrubbing their noggins 24/7 like we do today.
: - K
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What an awful thing to say ... but historically true I suppose. Have you noticed how different his hair and with it his face looks from time to time. It has made me think of something my mother used to say about beauty. That real beauty is not always there, but
varies from almost plain to radiant. I think his hair in the ball scene is wonderful all soft and curly and like a helmet(?). Remember that bow?
Ann2
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Posted by Ann2 on October 17, 1996 at 10:03:59:
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: : : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy
: : What struck me about the gentlemen's wardrobes was that they never got to vary their clothing. Maybe I missed something but it looks to me as though its tails, white handkercheif linen shirt and cravat for riding, hunting, visiting, balls, walking -- everything but fencing and indoor or outdoor bathing. Like a contemporary business suit only you have to mow the lawn in it too.
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: I when Lizzie first meets Col Fritzwilliam, Mr.Darcy seems to branch out and where a new outfit. I thought it was a nice change. He should have worn it to the wedding.
: Mich
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Don`t know if this might be a SoAdd to but I have tried to list the different outfits for Darcy and Lizzy. Yes it *is* true.. what will mysterious Mr HC think? This was before I fond this BB and had to do something connected with P&P2. I am not through the whole video but so far Mr Darcy has 7(!) different waistcoats, can
it be true...at least five different trousers, long black, black breeches, yellow breeches, white breeches oh my compilation is not done and I do not know the names of the colours. If you wish I can return to the matter later.
But no sweaters so far...
Ann2
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Posted by Grace on October 17, 1996 at 10:05:55:
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: : : : : Cheryl and Candace, you have obviously thought long and ..no, how shall I word it?.....carefully...on this subject. Others of us, however, may find it difficult to grasp the thrust of your conversation. Are we to understand that ladies of your sensibilities are taking sides in regard to the male members of the cast?
: : : : Grace
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: : : I suppose you may say that we have noticed how the admirable Mr. Firth takes sides, or should I say vacillates as to which side he should take.
: : : Cheryl
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: : : Your discernment is indeed remarkable. Though I have always prided myself on a keen power of observation, today I am humbled.
: : : Grace
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: This is not to be borne - in silence as I have tried to. Lurking(?) I must take this opportunity to tell you that I am excessivly diverted ...
: dare not to parttake as the feeling for nuances required
: in this fencing might fail me and then the deligth would be gone.
: Ann2 (now certain that not only swedish females let their
: eyes wander...)
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: Excessively diverted are you? This group would advise you to partake as often as possible.
Posted by DonnaT on October 17, 1996 at 10:19:14:
: : : : Follow the link below for more wonderful euphemisms.
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: : I enjoyed it too. Don't know about politically correct though! Some in usage round here:
: : Has kangaroos in their top paddock
: I like this one particularly well - great imagery, and a fine excuse for addle-pated behavior!
: Joan, too
How about one of my favorites "Not the brightest bulb on the porch"?
DonnaT
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Posted by Mary H on October 17, 1996 at 10:26:57:
: : Anybody like Liam Neeson? Hear anything about the new movie, "Michael Collins?"
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: LOVE Neeson, thought he was fabulous in Schindler, Nell, Rob Roy and have been a fan since Suspect. He is not really handsome, but there is something very appealing and accomplished in his air altogether (had to get P&P2 in there somewhere!) I am looking forward to Michael Collins (there's that name again) and seeing how he makes the founder of modern urban terrorist tactics charismatic and likeable (which by all accounts I have read he has managed to do). I have heard that this movie is causing some tension in the UK. Can any of our English friends comment?
: Cheryl
: Amy, it is interesting how our taste in actors is so very similar. Next you'll be telling me that you also love Gary Cooper and Ralph Feinnes (two other actors I admire and people go "huh?")
Have seen a preview of "Collins" and heard some good things about it. I would watch Liam Neeson read the phone book. Ralph Feinnes wouldn't even have to read.
Mary H
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Posted by Linda on October 17, 1996 at 10:27:44:
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: I should have paid more attention to reading the book! But do you think that it was Lizzy's playfulness and unabashed responses that more caught Darcy's appreciation than her figure alone. No doubt he perceived her "light and pleasing" form too. Lizzy's form certainly lead to his greater appreciation later after her vigorous walk to Netherfield especially after a little exposure to the sun and the weather. What Lizzy would have done for ten Wonder Bras!
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It's only that you probably have not read the book DOZENS of times as have
many of us who follow this BB.
I think that each time Darcy looked at Elizabeth, he found something else to
admire.
Linda
Posted by Ann2 on October 17, 1996 at 10:32:49:
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: She chalks this up to wilful ill-nature or
: volantary penance, but it may in fact account for part of
: the reason why he belived Elizabeth was expecting and
: awaiting his addresses.
Yes, you are quite right I think, though he did not need any reasons as he, at that time, considered it out of the question that she would not be overwhelmed with joy at the thought of Marrying *Mr Darcy of Pemberley*.(Ann2)
: P&P2 put in the scene with Darcy on horseback running into
: Lizzy, where nothing was excanged but cold silence on her
: part, and quite a bit of confusion on his.
: Ann
I thought it very odd that he did not even nod at her.Didnīt you all?(ann2)
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Is not this scene a pendang(?)
(meaning that they have a similarity somehow) to the billiard room encounter, unintended and though Darcy is composed enough to bow, they have absolutely no idea of what
to say..."a man who felt less would have said more...".
And then after dinner he comes to enquire after Janeīs health and Lizzy sparkels and thanks him and then he withdraws at once(Good god I canīt stand there staring at her not knowing what to say and that Caroline woman is sure to watch...I know what Iīll do I shall write a letter.Then I can turn my back to everyone and hide my face...)
Ann2(in creative mood)
Posted by Mary H on October 17, 1996 at 10:44:36:
Hee-hee, Amy, I did it!
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