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Posted by Raphael on October 16, 1996 at 23:46:53:
Some additional information on Emma reported by Variety which may be disappointing to those expecting another five-hour epic:
Emma will only be 120 minutes long! The show will likely be aired in a single, two-hour, "movie" format. Disappointment. Shock.
ITV will be the U.K. network airing the show, and not BBC. Apparently the latter were dragging their heels and the crew jumped over to more ready waters. A&E is still the co-producer.
The budget is a reported 3.8 million, very high for a TV movie (trust me). Variety describes the production as "lavish."
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Candace on October 17, 1996 at 00:10:03:
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: : : I thought it to mean ...His mother as well as his grandmother.
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: : No, I don't think so, the bit where she says "it was the favorite wish of his mothers..." meant Anne Darcy (Darcy's mum) and then it goes on with "and of hers" which was supposed to be Lady's C's wish for their children to be united. I took it as the sentence was supposed to be
: : "and of mine", thus I thought the typo error.
: : (Since it was obvious that Lady C wanted her daughter to marry Darcy)
: : Lilian
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: I always thought it was just an archaic way of speaking,
: which has dropped out of favor in the intervening 200 years.
: Ann
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Excuse me -- I thought that since the phrase signfied a possessive pronoun "her's" that it ment Darcy's mother's mother -- But after discussing this in great detail and reading it many times with my friend Barbara, she has shed some wonderful light on this passage. It reads "It was the favorite wish of his mother, as well as of her's". "Her's" being Lady C's daughter Ann, and thus referring to herself, Lady C.
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Posted by Kali on October 17, 1996 at 00:31:09:
: I have a job interview tomorrow morning with Boeing.
: Wish me luck.
: Ann
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You go Girl.
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Posted by Kali on October 17, 1996 at 00:40:46:
: I managed to get the phrase "high dudgeon" in an article I wrote today about nap taking.
: Amy
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My personal statement for law school is entirely based on an adaptation of the "It is a truth universally acknowledged..." quote.
Posted by Rose on October 17, 1996 at 01:03:46:
: : I can't help thinking that JA would have loved the 2 scenes of
: : Lizzie and Darcy's unexpected meetings in the garden; the first
: : at Netherfield, the second at Pemberly.
: : Hilary
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: There are actually three more garden meetings in the book,
: at Hunsford. He runs into her one day while she is taking a
: turn, and she kindly points out that she is taking one of
: her favorites routes around the park. She said this in order
: to allow him to avoid her in the future. He however seems to
: have taken it more as encouragement and meets her at least
: two more times. She chalks this up to wilful ill-nature or
: volantary penance, but it may in fact account for part of
: the reason why he belived Elizabeth was expecting and
: awaiting his addresses.
: P&P2 put in the scene with Darcy on horseback running into
: Lizzy, where nothing was excanged but cold silence on her
: part, and quite a bit of confusion on his.
: Ann
Darcy certainly was a tortured soul, wasn't he. Quite amusing in a way. Reminds me of the old cliche "The bigger they are, the harder they fall" Though "Pride goeth before a fall" may be more appropriate!
Ann, How do I sent a message to someone else whose Email address is published (They don't have a hotlink)! Yep I'm a real new Internet user!
Thanks
Rose
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Posted by Rose on October 17, 1996 at 01:12:43:
: : Hilary:
:
So how's this for a marketing idea, a package consisting of:
: - The Video (desire of this must be a sign of addiction too when you already have it from the TV)
: - The Book (hardback)
: - The Making of P&P
: - The Scripts
: - A book of stills (prompted by the fact that although 'The Making' has great pics, of which p.98 is the best, none of the very best are in it. Why is this? Just holding out on us for some, I expect commercial, reason.)
I rather like the idea of a CD Rom of PP2, a virtual world where they give us several endings. Where we can explore the wonderful buildings and learn more about how it was produced, costumes, music, customs of the time, Quicktime videos, and stills... 300 Megabytes could go a long way!!
Voyager did some good ones a few years back. Would have to be on Windows and Mac, especially Mac for me to use it!!
Who at BBC do I send my idea to!!
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Rose on October 17, 1996 at 01:17:56:
: : And the much talked about kiss at the end of PP2 - An actor recently talked about how actors kiss and this was a good example of it. Though I do realise they are acting!?
: : Cheers
: : Rose
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: Ah, but they weren't really acting! Ehle and Firth were in
: love during the filming of P&P, and I heard that the crew
: kept poking fun of them taking far too much enjoyment out of
: filming that scene. Especially taking into account that they
: were trying to sustain a kiss while bouncing up and down in
: a moving carriage (shock-absorber technology was not what it
: is today). I heard they were quite bruised after the 30th
: take.
: Ann
Yes I heard that too, though I thought it was a clever marketting ploy of A&E. I also wondered how they actually managed it in a carriage, on the bumpy roads, and with cameramen 10 centimetres away from your face. Takes all the romance out of it really!
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Arnessa on October 17, 1996 at 01:57:33:
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: I did not quite understand this thread until now.
: I hadn't expected to learn quite this much.
: I'll watch with new interest.
: Mich
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Nor did I. But NOW I understand, as Mrs Phillips says to Mr Collins. I must say, though, that I didn't notice anything, er, pronounced until the wedding scene. Some of you must have extremely good eyes.
Tight pants for men. Low-cut, see-through dresses for women. No touching allowed except on the ballroom floor. Must have been quite a frustrating age!
-Arnessa.
Posted by Arnessa on October 17, 1996 at 02:09:21:
: : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy (this is an Australianism with various, often affectionate, meanings; in this case it means lacking in style) in the church, though outside it looks okay. I keep on wanting to make the waistcoat longer. He does look sombre, but then he's a sombre bloke, who has a feeling for duty, occassion, ceremony, passages of life and all that. I can empathise with not enjoying the ceremony, too. Another bit of evidence for the case of shyness!
: : The other thing that bothers me about this scene is Lizzie's make-up. It looks much too heavy, and there's something about her that reminds me of Mrs.B, which is a worry. Her make-up does seem heavier later in the series,
: I didn't like this ending as well as PP1. I couldn't help but wish Darcy and Elzabeth had at least hugged, or taken his arm as in PP1. Elizabeth had dark circles under her eyes which could have been better dealt with.
: Why couldn't they have kept to the ending of the book - at least we see Darcy and Elizabeth married and living at Pemberly - after watching the video for 5 hours, another 15 minutes wouldn't have mattered!!
: Rose
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The seriousness of Lizzy and Darcy at the ceremony sort of bothered me too especially when contrasted with Jane and Bingley's seeming easiness with one another. Didn't Austen describe it differently? After the engagement Lizzy writes to her Aunt Gardiner and says something like, "I am even happier than Jane. She only smiles. I laugh." But it seems that Bingley and Jane look happier, smile wider in P&P2 after the wedding. Then again, Lizzy and Darcy have all this pent-up passion to deal with... Maybe it makes sense that their biggest smiles would come later, off-camera.
-Arnessa.
P.S. I also thought that Ehle's makeup looked heavy at the wedding. But Mrs Bennet-like, God forbid! Maybe Ehle was unusually tired that day.
Posted by Arnessa on October 17, 1996 at 02:14:37:
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
Posted by Arnessa on October 17, 1996 at 02:31:59:
: I can't help thinking that JA would have loved the 2 scenes of
: Lizzie and Darcy's unexpected meetings in the garden; the first
: at Netherfield, the second at Pemberly. I have been thinking about
: how they relate.
: The first doesn't happen in the book. Like when Darcy later is
: 'less formally attired', Lizzie is muddy, her hair a bit out of
: place, and glowing from the exercise. Making it a direct meeting
: in the garden neatly forshadows the other meeting:
: Seeing Lizzie like this excites Darcy, even to his discomfort, and
: it makes us able to make similar assumptions on behalf of Lizzie's
: feelings when she sees him striding through those buttercups at
: Pemberly, 'less formally attired'.
: Hilary
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Yes, I agree. Austen would have loved those scenes, especially the Pemberley one. In the book's Pemberley meeting, Darcy isn't described nearly as vividly. We learn that he has just dismounted from his horse, that he appears surprised to see Lizzy, that the face of each is overspread with the deepest blush. Austen leaves it to our imagination how his person must have appeared to Lizzy during that meeting.
To have him striding through those buttercups was a stroke of genius. They'll have to rewrite all those fairy tales. Prince Charming doesn't come riding up on a white horse after all. He comes striding through the buttercups.
-Arnessa.
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Posted by Kali on October 17, 1996 at 02:32:23:
: : Oh yes, he definitely would want to look his best for Lizzy (especially since I think one of his motives for visiting Elizabeth was to propose to her again). What I was really trying to say was that I don't think he was the type of person to spend hours in front of the mirror. He certainly didn't spend hours on combing his hair -- throughout the film it had a "scrunched" look, which became him rather well!
: : Bernie
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: I certainly noticed the hair, but it is not only Darcy. None
: of the men look like they have ever seen a comb. I assume
: that that was the fashion.
: Ann
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Sometimes the hair, esp. Colin Firth's, looked downright greasy. Ew.
I assume people back then weren't into scrubbing their noggins 24/7 like we do today.
- K
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Posted by Arnessa on October 17, 1996 at 02:41:19:
: We are treading on very thin ice here, ladies. Let us not let politics invade this island of civility.
: That being said, Arnessa- Bill Clinton as Bingley? Sweet, shy, humble Bingley? Now I can definately see him as a Frank Churchill! (I can say that because I am a life-long Democrat!)
: Cheryl
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Yes, I shouldn't have started it. But as the title says, I couldn't resist. I love bringing Austen to every aspect of life! And I'm sort of a political junkie too, but we'll let this thread die.
-Arnessa.
P.S. Clinton could be Frank Churchill or even Wickham, and I think no good Democrat should be ashamed to admit it. I was perhaps to harsh on the candidate's wives, but I wasn't trying for an EXACT match, just a close one.
Posted by Joan, too on October 17, 1996 at 03:41:49:
: : I always thought it was just an archaic way of speaking,
: : which has dropped out of favor in the intervening 200 years.
: : Ann
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: Excuse me -- I thought that since the phrase signfied a possessive pronoun "her's" that it ment Darcy's mother's mother -- But after discussing this in great detail and reading it many times with my friend Barbara, she has shed some wonderful light on this passage. It reads "It was the favorite wish of his mother, as well as of her's". "Her's" being Lady C's daughter Ann, and thus referring to herself, Lady C.
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Yes, grammatically it is correct as it is - his (Darcy's) mother and hers (Ann's) mother. It is a somewhat archaic form of expression, but I also like to think that it was a method used by Lady C. to attribute greater consequence to herself by speaking of herself in the third person (which the present day media has also commented on with regard to one of the current presidental candidates' habit of speaking of himself in the thrid person).
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 17, 1996 at 03:47:08:
: I rather like the idea of a CD Rom of PP2, a virtual world where they give us several endings. Where we can explore the wonderful buildings and learn more about how it was produced, costumes, music, customs of the time, Quicktime videos, and stills... 300 Megabytes could go a long way!!
: Voyager did some good ones a few years back. Would have to be on Windows and Mac, especially Mac for me to use it!!
: Who at BBC do I send my idea to!!
: Cheers
: Rose
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Ah! This would be a laserdisk - that's what Pioneer does so well - an excellent suggestion! If there were such a product, I would even go out and purchase a laserdisk player to play it on!
Joan, too
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Posted by Sylvia on October 17, 1996 at 04:11:41:
:
: : Mr. Knightly should indeed have an air -- he should be an attractive man, although he doesn't have to bee
: : too handsome.
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: Jeremy Irons?
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Posted by Sylvia on October 17, 1996 at 04:15:28:
Daniel Day-Lewis?
Posted by Sylvia on October 17, 1996 at 04:23:16:
: :
: : : Mr. Knightly should indeed have an air -- he should be an attractive man, although he doesn't have to bee
: : : too handsome.
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: : Jeremy Irons?
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Correction please. I mean Daniel Day-Lewis? He is a great actor isn't he? Although I like Jeremy Irons too but he is now a little bit old than Mr. Knightly who is supposed to be 38 years old only.
Posted by Joan, too on October 17, 1996 at 04:30:41:
: Hilary:
: I can't help thinking that JA would have loved the 2 scenes of Lizzie and Darcy's unexpected meetings in the garden; the first at Netherfield, the second at Pemberly. I have been thinking about how they relate.
I agree, and have often wondered whether that bit of screenwriting were deliberate of coincidental. She encounters him on "her turf" (well at least in her neighborhood) when she is not looking her most genteel with 6 inches of mud on her skirts, then he encounters her on his turf when he is not the epitome of good grooming.
: In the first meeting there is surprise and antagonism (mostly from Lizzie I feel).
I think there is equal negitivity on both sides. While on the inside he may be admiring how attractively her eyes are brightened by the exercise, the feedback that he gives her is quite condescending and disapproving. ("On foot?") He does not offer to take her to Jane, but forces her to ask. Quite ungentlemanly of him. (Bingley or Col. Fitzwilliam - or even Wickham - would have insisted on personally leading her to Jane.) His behavior reinforces her first impression of him, and her responses reflect this. (...your arrogance, your conceit, and your selfish distain for the feelings of others...) Both are equally caught up in their own pride and prejudices.
: At the second there is a great deal more surprise; also embarrassment, confusion, and mortification; but no condemnation, as Lizzie greatly fears. This lets us see how much their feelings have changed, and gives us an indication of how much things will change between them, and in what direction.
Indeed, exactly so.
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 17, 1996 at 04:33:10:
: Ann:
: There are actually three more garden meetings in the book, at Hunsford. He runs into her one day while she is taking a turn, and she kindly points out that she is taking one of her favorites routes around the park. She said this in order to allow him to avoid her in the future. He however seems to have taken it more as encouragement and meets her at least two more times. She chalks this up to wilful ill-nature or volantary penance, but it may in fact account for part of the reason why he belived Elizabeth was expecting and awaiting his addresses.
P&P2 put in the scene with Darcy on horseback running into Lizzy, where nothing was excanged but cold silence on her part, and quite a bit of confusion on his.
I don't think that he took it as encouragement. Firth's own interpretation is that Darcy is conflicted about these meetings which he himself has initiated: "he waits in places where he knows he'll find her walking, and then doesn't speak to her; he shows up at Hunsford Parsonage and then acts as if she had called on him." To me, at this point it is Darcy who appears coldly silent, and Lizzie who seems confused.
Joan, too
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