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Posted by Lilian on October 16, 1996 at 21:20:46:
In the scene where Lady C. is demanding to know whether Lizzy is
engaged to dear Darcy she says "it was his favorite wish of his
mother as well as of hers". Now, I instantly thought BIG BOO-BOO
but when I ran to my my novel to check it up, there was that
exact sentence written as it was said.
I know that this sentence means that both Lady C and
Darcy's mum wanted Darcy to marry young Anne De Bough but why was the
sentence written like that? Was it in fact a misprint in the novel -
JA actually said there were errors in the printing but I thought
that would have been fixed up by now(!) or was it supposed
to be like that??????
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Posted by Rose on October 16, 1996 at 21:26:06:
: I can't help thinking that JA would have loved the 2 scenes of
: Lizzie and Darcy's unexpected meetings in the garden; the first
: at Netherfield, the second at Pemberly. I have been thinking about
: how they relate.
: The first doesn't happen in the book. Like when Darcy later is
: 'less formally attired', Lizzie is muddy, her hair a bit out of
: place, and glowing from the exercise. Making it a direct meeting
: in the garden neatly forshadows the other meeting:
: Seeing Lizzie like this excites Darcy, even to his discomfort, and
: it makes us able to make similar assumptions on behalf of Lizzie's
: feelings when she sees him striding through those buttercups at
: Pemberly, 'less formally attired'. (Also not in the book)
: In the first meeting there is surprise and antagonism (mostly
: from Lizzie I feel). At the second there is a great deal more
: surprise; also embarrassment, confusion, and mortification;
: but no condemnation, as Lizzie greatly fears. This lets us see
: how much their feelings have changed, and gives us an indication
: of how much things will change between them, and in what
: direction.
: Hilary
Most of the antagonism from Elizabeth was sheer pig-headedness after Darcy was rude about her "she's not handsome enough to tempt me..." So perhaps she was proud and prejudiced! Though I wondered if he was the Pride and she was the Prejudice?!
I like the bit in the video, where Darcy sees Elizabeth outside the window at Netherfield playing with the dog, and even though she's not behaving in a ladylike way he is intrigued by, and drawn to her.
In fact there are lots of cute bits in this story - Darcy rushing his sister to meet Elizabeth, the expression on his face when she is singing and playing at Pemberly.
Is Sense and Sensibility as good as this? If so I'll have to see it!
Rose
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Posted by Candace on October 16, 1996 at 21:29:09:
: In the scene where Lady C. is demanding to know whether Lizzy is
: engaged to dear Darcy she says "it was his favorite wish of his
: mother as well as of hers". Now, I instantly thought BIG BOO-BOO
: but when I ran to my my novel to check it up, there was that
: exact sentence written as it was said.
: I know that this sentence means that both Lady C and
: Darcy's mum wanted Darcy to marry young Anne De Bough but why was the
: sentence written like that? Was it in fact a misprint in the novel -
: JA actually said there were errors in the printing but I thought
: that would have been fixed up by now(!) or was it supposed
: to be like that??????
:
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I thought it to mean ...His mother as well as his grandmother.
Posted by Rose on October 16, 1996 at 21:30:56:
: In the scene where Lady C. is demanding to know whether Lizzy is
: engaged to dear Darcy she says "it was his favorite wish of his
: mother as well as of hers". Now, I instantly thought BIG BOO-BOO
: but when I ran to my my novel to check it up, there was that
: exact sentence written as it was said.
: I know that this sentence means that both Lady C and
: Darcy's mum wanted Darcy to marry young Anne De Bough but why was the
: sentence written like that? Was it in fact a misprint in the novel -
: JA actually said there were errors in the printing but I thought
: that would have been fixed up by now(!) or was it supposed
: to be like that??????
:
Perhaps no one wanted to alter JA's writing - even if not quite correct?
Rose?
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Posted by Amy on October 16, 1996 at 21:34:07:
: A shame. The search continues.
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Raphael, have you considered posting in the UK newsgroups?
rec.arts.tv.uk.misc
uk.media.tv.misc
Amy
Posted by Amy on October 16, 1996 at 21:39:15:
Anybody like Liam Neeson? Hear anything about the new movie, "Michael Collins?"
Posted by Lilian on October 16, 1996 at 21:42:47:
: Most of the antagonism from Elizabeth was sheer pig-headedness after Darcy was rude about her "she's not handsome enough to tempt me..." So perhaps she was proud and prejudiced! Though I wondered if he was the Pride and she was the Prejudice?!
Initially Darcy was supposed to be "Pride" and Elizabeth "Prejudice" but in fact both of them are actually "Pride and Prejudice".
: I like the bit in the video, where Darcy sees Elizabeth outside the window at Netherfield playing with the dog, and even though she's not behaving in a ladylike way he is intrigued by, and drawn to her.
Same here. It shows Lizzy as a daring and playful (not that she already wasn't) character. I can't really imagine Miss Bingley dancing with a dog (although this may in fact change Darcy's view of her!) :)
: In fact there are lots of cute bits in this story - Darcy rushing his sister to meet Elizabeth, the expression on his face when she is singing and playing at Pemberly.
I think we all love THE LOOK Darcy gives Elizabeth at Pemberley. I think my videotape copy of P&P2 of this scene must be worn out due to me rewinding it and watching it over and over and over and over... again!!!
: Is Sense and Sensibility as good as this? If so I'll have to see it!
I personally prefer P&P2 but I really adored S&S as well although I thought the movie was pretty different to the novel. In any case, you have to see it and make up your own mind about it! :)
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Posted by Candace on October 16, 1996 at 22:06:13:
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: : Ah, I see -- I will have to watch again to see if I agree -- One thing I did notice after watching P&P2 too many times (Is that possible?) was that Mr. Darcy was not too consistant with which side he dressed to...I'm sorry -- I just couldn't help noticing this.
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: LOL! I must admit that I noticed this too (and Anna-karin thinks she is the only one with a dirty mind!) and was surprised. I thought men were excessively careful about that sort of thing. Dare we ask any of our resident gentlemen...? No, we dare not, it is too delicate a subject to dwell upon.
: Cheryl
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My husband says that men usually are...that is why he believes that for some reason they may have flipped the film around.
Posted by Susan on October 16, 1996 at 22:08:27:
: I just found information and photographs of A&E's Emma. The web address is http://www.vais.net/~krbaylor/film/emma.htm
: Susan
CORRECTION!
Try this address instead: http://pw1.netcom.com/~krbaylor/initial.html
This will bring you to the Kate Beckinsale web site. For the info on Emma go to the filmography section.
Posted by Rose on October 16, 1996 at 22:16:21:
:
: : Which P and P did you like best?
: : Rose
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: A&E's by far. The other either went to far from the book or had no life. A&E captured Austen the best. how about you?
: Mich
For some strange reason I like PP1's Elizabeth - she seemed sweeter and more demure? I also liked the ending of PP1 - at least she took his arm after they find out they love each other - all this 'non touching' was almost too much.
And the much talked about kiss at the end of PP2 - An actor recently talked about how actors kiss and this was a good example of it. Though I do realise they are acting!?
Otherwise I really like it and watch it often. I'd like to see the original P&P with Olivier - as he was supposed to be the ultimate Darcy!
Cheers
Rose
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Posted by Raphael on October 16, 1996 at 22:21:26:
: : A shame. The search continues.
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: Raphael, have you considered posting in the UK newsgroups?
: rec.arts.tv.uk.misc
: uk.media.tv.misc
: Amy
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I have not, but I shall. Thanks for the advice.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Lilian on October 16, 1996 at 22:28:57:
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: I thought it to mean ...His mother as well as his grandmother.
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No, I don't think so, the bit where she says "it was the favorite wish of his mothers..." meant Anne Darcy (Darcy's mum) and then it goes on with "and of hers" which was supposed to be Lady's C's wish for their children to be united. I took it as the sentence was supposed to be
"and of mine", thus I thought the typo error.
(Since it was obvious that Lady C wanted her daughter to marry Darcy)
Lilian
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Posted by Ann on October 16, 1996 at 22:32:40:
In one print version I have seen, Darcy writes in his letter
of Georgiana's "imprudence" and in another print version he
writes of her "impudence". I know I read somewhere that this
was an error in the first edition, but I don't know which one
is the error and which one is the corrected version. Does
anybody know? (Myst. H.C.?)
(I also find it facinating that the English language
supplies two words, with only one letter of difference
between them, both having similar, but by no means
identical, meanings and which can so easily be switched
without losing the overall structure or sense of the
sentence! Are they from the same root-word perhaps?)
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 16, 1996 at 22:34:58:
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: : I thought it to mean ...His mother as well as his grandmother.
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: No, I don't think so, the bit where she says "it was the favorite wish of his mothers..." meant Anne Darcy (Darcy's mum) and then it goes on with "and of hers" which was supposed to be Lady's C's wish for their children to be united. I took it as the sentence was supposed to be
: "and of mine", thus I thought the typo error.
: (Since it was obvious that Lady C wanted her daughter to marry Darcy)
: Lilian
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I always thought it was just an archaic way of speaking,
which has dropped out of favor in the intervening 200 years.
Ann
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Posted by Lilian on October 16, 1996 at 22:40:23:
: Here in Australia our public broadcaster the ABC is currently showing the series. This Sunday sees the screening of the 4th Episode.
: In many ways the story is very similar to P&P, but being set in a later and more licentious period. What a pity the English gentleman are such hollow characters when compared with Darcy. But then it is hard to compare any man with Darcy. Perhaps as a male I'm underselling myself there. Oh well.
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I myself have only seen a few moments of this show so I may be prejudiced in saying that I didn't really enjoy it much as P&P. I thought the men were awful (yes, ok, Darcy was the ultimate) and thus, I may not have given the show its due respect since I was too infactuated with Darcy.
Posted by Ann on October 16, 1996 at 22:44:02:
: I can't help thinking that JA would have loved the 2 scenes of
: Lizzie and Darcy's unexpected meetings in the garden; the first
: at Netherfield, the second at Pemberly.
: Hilary
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There are actually three more garden meetings in the book,
at Hunsford. He runs into her one day while she is taking a
turn, and she kindly points out that she is taking one of
her favorites routes around the park. She said this in order
to allow him to avoid her in the future. He however seems to
have taken it more as encouragement and meets her at least
two more times. She chalks this up to wilful ill-nature or
volantary penance, but it may in fact account for part of
the reason why he belived Elizabeth was expecting and
awaiting his addresses.
P&P2 put in the scene with Darcy on horseback running into
Lizzy, where nothing was excanged but cold silence on her
part, and quite a bit of confusion on his.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 16, 1996 at 22:53:46:
: And the much talked about kiss at the end of PP2 - An actor recently talked about how actors kiss and this was a good example of it. Though I do realise they are acting!?
: Cheers
: Rose
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Ah, but they weren't really acting! Ehle and Firth were in
love during the filming of P&P, and I heard that the crew
kept poking fun of them taking far too much enjoyment out of
filming that scene. Especially taking into account that they
were trying to sustain a kiss while bouncing up and down in
a moving carriage (shock-absorber technology was not what it
is today). I heard they were quite bruised after the 30th
take.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 16, 1996 at 22:55:48:
: : Amy:
: : Here's how I do it. Find the web page that has a picture you want to include at the top of your message.
: : Find the entire URL for the graphic with a .gif or .jpg extension. Sometimes you can click on the picture and it will load all by itself in your browser window.
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: For Netscape users, if you hold your mouse button down on a graphic, you will get a pop-up menu, and one of the choices will be "Copy this image location" - choose it, and you will have the URL on your clipboard.
: Joan, too
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On IBM machines or clones, that is the *right* mouse button.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 16, 1996 at 23:09:24:
I have a job interview tomorrow morning with Boeing.
Wish me luck.
Ann
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