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Posted by hat on October 16, 1996 at 18:34:37:
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: : : Ah, I see -- I will have to watch again to see if I agree -- One thing I did notice after watching P&P2 too many times (Is that possible?) was that Mr. Darcy was not too consistant with which side he dressed to...I'm sorry -- I just couldn't help noticing this.
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: : LOL! I must admit that I noticed this too (and Anna-karin thinks she is the only one with a dirty mind!) and was surprised. I thought men were excessively careful about that sort of thing. Dare we ask any of our resident gentlemen...? No, we dare not, it is too delicate a subject to dwell upon.
: : Cheryl
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: : Cheryl and Candace, you have obviously thought long and ..no, how shall I word it?.....carefully...on this subject. Others of us, however, may find it difficult to grasp the thrust of your conversation. Are we to understand that ladies of your sensibilities are taking sides in regard to the male members of the cast?
: Grace
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Oh! shocking! Abomnible reply!
Daggier by the minute! I love it!
Hilary
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Posted by Mich on October 16, 1996 at 18:41:41:
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: Can you imagine Mrs. B. visiting Pemberley? Every time I
: think of her reaction the first time she sees the place, I
: get a shudder!
: Ann
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Shudders second only to Mr.Darcys
I wonder how Darcys sister first reacted to Mrs. Bennet.
Mich
Posted by Susan on October 16, 1996 at 18:42:08:
I just found information and photographs of A&E's Emma. The web address is http://www.vais.net/~krbaylor/film/emma.htm
Susan
Posted by Captain Absolute on October 16, 1996 at 19:01:06:
Here's a bit of trivia from someone who's kinda just lurking and
(maybe) just passing through (hope you don't mind):
Caroline Harker (who plays one of the sisters in Moll's
Colchester family, and was also one of the sisters in Middlemarch)
is the real life sister of Susannah Harker (Jane from P&P2).
Posted by hat on October 16, 1996 at 19:04:36:
The search continues.
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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What about writing to Davies himself? Has anyone tried this? I did have an address for him but have misplaced it.
Also, can someone tell me what the video 'Making of' is like? I have heard nothing about it being screened here in Ausralia.
The S&S book sounds good.
Hilary
Posted by Mich on October 16, 1996 at 19:05:41:
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: : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy (this is an Australianism with various, often affectionate, meanings; in this case it means lacking in style)
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: Affectionate how? Maybe as in the case of a professor type with a charming stammer and mismatched socks? Am I on the right track? I agree, Grace, I like this word a lot.
: What struck me about the gentlemen's wardrobes was that they never got to vary their clothing. Maybe I missed something but it looks to me as though its tails, white handkercheif linen shirt and cravat for riding, hunting, visiting, balls, walking -- everything but fencing and indoor or outdoor bathing. Like a contemporary business suit only you have to mow the lawn in it too.
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: Amy
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In the scene at Mr.Collins when Lizzie first meets Col Fritzwilliam, Mr.Darcy seems to branch out and where a new outfit. I thought it was a nice change. He should have worn it to the wedding.
Mich
Posted by Mich on October 16, 1996 at 19:16:10:
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: : Ah, I see -- I will have to watch again to see if I agree -- One thing I did notice after watching P&P2 too many times (Is that possible?) was that Mr. Darcy was not too consistant with which side he dressed to...I'm sorry -- I just couldn't help noticing this.
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: LOL! I must admit that I noticed this too (and Anna-karin thinks she is the only one with a dirty mind!) and was surprised. I thought men were excessively careful about that sort of thing. Dare we ask any of our resident gentlemen...? No, we dare not, it is too delicate a subject to dwell upon.
: Cheryl
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I did not quite understand this thread until now.
I hadn't expected to learn quite this much.
I'll watch with new interest.
Mich
Posted by Mich on October 16, 1996 at 19:19:10:
: : : : : Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?!
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: : : I thought Darcy looked a bit somber at the ceremony.
: : : Afterwards of course there was that wonderful beaming smile,
: : : but he didn't look like he enjoyed the wedding itselff very
: : : much.
: : : Ann
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: : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy (this is an Australianism with various, often affectionate, meanings; in this case it means lacking in style) in the church, though outside it looks okay. I keep on wanting to make the waistcoat longer. He does look sombre, but then he's a sombre bloke, who has a feeling for duty, occassion, ceremony, passages of life and all that. I can empathise with not enjoying the ceremony, too. Another bit of evidence for the case of shyness!
: : The other thing that bothers me about this scene is Lizzie's make-up. It looks much too heavy, and there's something about her that reminds me of Mrs.B, which is a worry. Her make-up does seem heavier later in the series, after looking wonderful in Derbyshire. I also prefer her in the cream/white/lightblue/grey dresses than in that 'curry' outfit that someone in 'The Making of P&P' thought she looked best in.
: : Hilary
: I didn't like this ending as well as PP1. I couldn't help but wish Darcy and Elzabeth had at least hugged, or taken his arm as in PP1. Elizabeth had dark circles under her eyes which could have been better dealt with.
: Why couldn't they have kept to the ending of the book - at least we see Darcy and Elizabeth married and living at Pemberly - after watching the video for 5 hours, another 15 minutes wouldn't have mattered!!
: Rose
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Yes yes. I would have loved these additional scenes.
Mich
Posted by Capt. Absolute on October 16, 1996 at 19:31:58:
Both Firth sibs are also actors. Jonathan was in Middlemarch,
and I belive baby sis, Kathleen (?) is currently appearing on
the London stage.
Posted by Joan, too on October 16, 1996 at 19:40:45:
: Betty:
: I browse here every once in awhile and was surprised that the discussion had gotten away from talk of the book and movie itself and had turned to the production angle. My comment wasn't to "attack" anyone(I'm an Austen fan too) but that you should be talking about more substantial matters than what the sound mixers and other production people did.
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Pardon me, but I somehow fail to see how discussion of "what the sound mixers and other production people did" gets away from talk of the movie itself! The most excellent performances by all of the behind-the-scenes people is one of the things that made this film so outstanding. Try making a film without them - there would be no film! There would be many more high quality films if more filmmakers paid more attention to these details!
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on October 16, 1996 at 19:58:22:
: Amy:
: Here's how I do it. Find the web page that has a picture you want to include at the top of your message.
: Find the entire URL for the graphic with a .gif or .jpg extension. Sometimes you can click on the picture and it will load all by itself in your browser window.
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For Netscape users, if you hold your mouse button down on a graphic, you will get a pop-up menu, and one of the choices will be "Copy this image location" - choose it, and you will have the URL on your clipboard.
Joan, too
Posted by Amy on October 16, 1996 at 20:12:14:
I managed to get the phrase "high dudgeon" in an article I wrote today about nap taking.
Amy
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Posted by Joan, too on October 16, 1996 at 20:12:29:
: : : Another possible link in the chain of gossip from Hunsford to Meryton --- remember that Lizzy's maid travelled with her and would have been in the house on the proposal night.
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: Maid Lizzie had a maid? how did i miss this?
: Mich
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I will have to re-read this section. I recall that Lizzie's maid went to Derbyshire with her, but did not remember that happening on the Hunsford trip.
Joan, too
Posted by kathleen on October 16, 1996 at 20:22:56:
: I managed to get the phrase "high dudgeon" in an article I wrote today about nap taking.
: Amy
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It just goes to show how educational this bb is -- thanks for helping the rest of us learn as well.
(Oh, and I noticed that you also used our Wickham adjective -- "smarmy." Good job!)
kathleen
Posted by hat on October 16, 1996 at 20:31:56:
I can't help thinking that JA would have loved the 2 scenes of
Lizzie and Darcy's unexpected meetings in the garden; the first
at Netherfield, the second at Pemberly. I have been thinking about
how they relate.
The first doesn't happen in the book. Like when Darcy later is
'less formally attired', Lizzie is muddy, her hair a bit out of
place, and glowing from the exercise. Making it a direct meeting
in the garden neatly forshadows the other meeting:
Seeing Lizzie like this excites Darcy, even to his discomfort, and
it makes us able to make similar assumptions on behalf of Lizzie's
feelings when she sees him striding through those buttercups at
Pemberly, 'less formally attired'. (Also not in the book)
In the first meeting there is surprise and antagonism (mostly
from Lizzie I feel). At the second there is a great deal more
surprise; also embarrassment, confusion, and mortification;
but no condemnation, as Lizzie greatly fears. This lets us see
how much their feelings have changed, and gives us an indication
of how much things will change between them, and in what
direction.
Hilary
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Posted by Grace on October 16, 1996 at 20:32:18:
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: : : : Ah, I see -- I will have to watch again to see if I agree -- One thing I did notice after watching P&P2 too many times (Is that possible?) was that Mr. Darcy was not too consistant with which side he dressed to...I'm sorry -- I just couldn't help noticing this.
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: : : LOL! I must admit that I noticed this too (and Anna-karin thinks she is the only one with a dirty mind!) and was surprised. I thought men were excessively careful about that sort of thing. Dare we ask any of our resident gentlemen...? No, we dare not, it is too delicate a subject to dwell upon.
: : : Cheryl
: :
: : ___________________
: : : Cheryl and Candace, you have obviously thought long and ..no, how shall I word it?.....carefully...on this subject. Others of us, however, may find it difficult to grasp the thrust of your conversation. Are we to understand that ladies of your sensibilities are taking sides in regard to the male members of the cast?
: : Grace
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: Oh! shocking! Abomnible reply!
: Daggier by the minute! I love it!
: Hilary
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: Shocking? Abominable? Hilary, I fail to grasp your meaning. I was only seeking a clear outline of the topic the ladies wished to bring out for us.
Quickly on to another point-- I do thank you again for introducing me to that word DAGGY. It has endless application in my world of engineering and computer types.
Grace
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Posted by Lilian on October 16, 1996 at 20:55:15:
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: I thought that Miss Bingley knew Darcy liked Elizabeth - from when he commented on 'her fine eyes'. I think Miss Bingley was jealous and that was why she said all those mean things.
: Rose
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Yes, I believe Miss Bingley knew that Darcy liked Lizzy but not enough for him to actually marry her. In the novel it was said that she was mortified by the marriage and it kind of implied that she was shocked that Darcy married Lizzy. There were a lot of scenes when Miss Bingley seemed quite oblivious to the fact that Darcy was in fact in love with Lizzy, ie. when she commented how ill Eliza looked in Pemberley.. and was shocked and taken aback when Darcy shot back the remark that he considered Lizzy to be one of the hansomest women of his acquaintment.
Posted by hat on October 16, 1996 at 20:59:03:
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: : : : : Ah, I see -- I will have to watch again to see if I agree -- One thing I did notice after watching P&P2 too many times (Is that possible?) was that Mr. Darcy was not too consistant with which side he dressed to...I'm sorry -- I just couldn't help noticing this.
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: : : : LOL! I must admit that I noticed this too (and Anna-karin thinks she is the only one with a dirty mind!) and was surprised. I thought men were excessively careful about that sort of thing. Dare we ask any of our resident gentlemen...? No, we dare not, it is too delicate a subject to dwell upon.
: : : : Cheryl
: : :
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: : : : Cheryl and Candace, you have obviously thought long and ..no, how shall I word it?.....carefully...on this subject. Others of us, however, may find it difficult to grasp the thrust of your conversation. Are we to understand that ladies of your sensibilities are taking sides in regard to the male members of the cast?
: : : Grace
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: : Oh! shocking! Abomnible reply!
: : Daggier by the minute! I love it!
: : Hilary
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: : Shocking? Abominable? Hilary, I fail to grasp your meaning. I was only seeking a clear outline of the topic the ladies wished to bring out for us.
: Quickly on to another point-- I do thank you again for introducing me to that word DAGGY. It has endless application in my world of engineering and computer types.
: Grace
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Grace, I wish bringing out the topic were a case of 'nothing so easy, if you have but the inclination'. But I feel we will be disapointed.
Hilary
Posted by Grace on October 16, 1996 at 21:00:54:
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: : : Cheryl and Candace, you have obviously thought long and ..no, how shall I word it?.....carefully...on this subject. Others of us, however, may find it difficult to grasp the thrust of your conversation. Are we to understand that ladies of your sensibilities are taking sides in regard to the male members of the cast?
: : Grace
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: I suppose you may say that we have noticed how the admirable Mr. Firth takes sides, or should I say vacillates as to which side he should take.
: Cheryl
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: Your discernment is indeed remarkable. Though I have always prided myself on a keen power of observation, today I am humbled.
: Grace
Posted by Lilian on October 16, 1996 at 21:08:39:
: I didn't like this ending as well as PP1. I couldn't help but wish Darcy and Elzabeth had at least hugged, or taken his arm as in PP1. Elizabeth had dark circles under her eyes which could have been better dealt with.
: Why couldn't they have kept to the ending of the book - at least we see Darcy and Elizabeth married and living at Pemberly - after watching the video for 5 hours, another 15 minutes wouldn't have mattered!!
: Rose
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I totally agree! I thought that since Lizzy had accepted his proposal he (Darcy) didn't need to be that stiff. He should have smiled more and taken her hand!
Yeah, I've also been wanting a longer ending after the wedding. I mean, who said that it had to end after nearly 6 hours??
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