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Posted by Grace on October 15, 1996 at 21:45:50:
: : : : : : Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?!
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : : I thought Darcy looked a bit somber at the ceremony.
: : : : Afterwards of course there was that wonderful beaming smile,
: : : : but he didn't look like he enjoyed the wedding itselff very
: : : : much.
: : : : Ann
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy (this is an Australianism with various, often affectionate, meanings; in this case it means lacking in style)
: : : Hilary
: :
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: : : Daggy is now going to be my word of the month. Grace
: Daggy is a great word, and fully deserving of being your word of the month, but I shall have to give you full details:
: Hilary
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: Now that I have the details, I guess I will have to use DAGGY with discretion, but I refuse to give up so expressive an addition to my vocabulary.
: Grace
Posted by Tommye on October 15, 1996 at 21:47:06:
: :
: : Can you imagine Mrs. B. visiting Pemberley? Every time I
: : think of her reaction the first time she sees the place, I
: : get a shudder!
: : Ann
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: Yes indeed!
: "Oh Lizzy, my dear!--Such fine settees, what beautiful cushions! Such exquisite wall hangings!--the colors are perfect-- and what obliging manners the servants have!--Netherfield is *nothing* compared to the delights of Pemberly.--I shall enjoy my two fortnights visit here-- afterall, you were always my favorite child!"
: Cheryl
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I had briefly pondered this possibility weeks ago, but quickly shoved it out of my consciousness for more pleasant mental meanderings. Now that you have opened THIS can of worms, consider this. Remember prior to Darcy's first proposal when he said to Lizzy, "yes, and you would not want to be near Longbourne always..."
I think that after they got married, when Mrs. B wanted to visit (you see, Lizzy hadn't yet invited her mother, knowing the awful possibilities), Darcy suddenly had to go to London for ("How long did you say your Mother was going to be here? Three weeks?) three weeks.
I have lived this one, for sure, and know that if the Mother is not well-liked, the husband takes a business trip!
Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on October 15, 1996 at 21:56:19:
: T
: 2. I understand the assumption that the Lucases spread the rumour about Darcy and Lizzie's supposedly impending engagement, probably from Charlotte's implications. However, I fail to see her motive for this, knowing the wrath it would excite in Lady Catherine. Is it possible that the Bingley sisters could have surreptitiously planted this buzz in hopes of it getting to Lady Catherine, who predictably would attempt to put a stop to it?
: I would be very interested in your opinions.
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On top of this question, I have wondered about the comments Col. Fitzwilliam made to Lizzy about all the good thingss he had heard about her, and later, the same type of comments Miss Darcy made to Lizzy about what she had heard about Lizzy. Obviously, Mr. Darcy DID talk to a few people: Fitzwilliam and his sister. Therefore, perhaps later he talked to one or both of them AGAIN, this time expressing his love for Lizzy and his desire to marry her. Both the Colonel and Miss Darcy were related to Lady Catherine. While Miss Darcy was certainly loyal to her brother, perhaps the Colonel let slip a word or two.???
Tommye
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Posted by Candace on October 15, 1996 at 22:01:10:
: : Kali, you are very lucky to come from a normal family, I didn't think they were around anymore. I think for the time 1813, the Bennets are dysfunctional, but they seemed quite normal to me. No depression, suicidal thoughts, mania, only Mrs Bennet talks about here nerves and that is what I call hypochondria. So hats off to you Kali, would your family like to adopt a dysfunctional single mom and her beautiful almost 6 (10/27/96) daughter? Only joking. Laura
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: Heck, come on over...Now that my brother and I are out of the house, I'm sure my folks would love some company! ;)
: But seriously, I know what you mean. The Bennet's actually are remarkably together, even if not in solidarity of mind. They are very decent folks. But I certainly wouldn't trade my mom for Mrs. B in a thousand years!
: - K
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I'm sorry if I offended! Jane Austen's characters are always wonderful but not perfect people (and I like it that way just fine). I only ment that "dysfunctional family" seem to be such a catch phase now-a-days and modern society thinks that they are the only ones who suffer from it. How many times have you heard about how we need to return to "The Good Old Days of Family Values". Even with your protests that they maybe were dysfunctional then -- but together for today's standards -- I disagree. A dysfunctional family is one who doesn't function and they do not. Example: It was the two oldest daughters who acted as parents (The Peace-maker & the Child Parent)and attended to the family daily needs when crisis hit -- not Mama. It doesn't make me love them any less. They are wonderful characters -- but flawed just like real people.
Posted by Tommye on October 15, 1996 at 22:02:40:
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: 2. My own thought on Lady Catherine learning of the Darcy engagement rumor: Mr. Collins, hearing from Charlotte of her suspicions, then rushes to his patroness' side to offer delicately worded assurances that any such idle gossip that might reach her ears is to be dismissed as insupportable. His every word has exactly the opposite effect of what he intended - and Lady Catherine, now informed and indignant, decides to take matters into her own hands!
: (Also, we might surmise that naive little Georgiana dutifully writes to her Aunt to recount every detail of her summer: "How delighted I was, dear Aunt, to finally meet Miss Elizabeth Bennet and to have the pleasure of entertaining her and her delightful relatives at Pemberley......."
: :Grace
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Both of these sound plausible, indeed. There were at least three times that I remember Charlotte making reference to Darcy's attitude towards Lizzy: (1) He seems to be looking at you a lot, Lizzy (paraphrase) at the ball. (2) He must be coming to see you, Lizzy, for he certainly wouldn't come directly here to see me (again, paraphrase) and (3) Mr. Darcy must be in love with you, Lizzy (in Charlotte's drawing room).
Tommye
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Posted by Grace on October 15, 1996 at 22:06:55:
: : : : : : : Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?!
: : : : :
: : : : : ___________________
: : : : : I thought Darcy looked a bit somber at the ceremony.
: : : : : Afterwards of course there was that wonderful beaming smile,
: : : : : but he didn't look like he enjoyed the wedding itselff very
: : : : : much.
: : : : : Ann
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy (this is an Australianism with various, often affectionate, meanings; in this case it means lacking in style)
: : : : Hilary
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : : Daggy is now going to be my word of the month.
: : Daggy is a great word, and fully deserving of being your word of the month, but I shall have to give you full details:
: : It can mean dirty, slovenly, unpleasant; conservative and lacking in style, esp.in appearance; or stupid, idiotic or eccentric. The last two meanings are often affectionate,ie. 'what a daggy thing to do'.
: : A dag is someone who personifies any of these daggy behaviours.
: : But it all derives from dag:'wool on a sheep's rear quarters, often dirty with mud and excreta' - The Macquarie Dictionary (Aust).
: : Have fun!
: : Hilary
:
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:
: I do wonder if I watched the same show as you all did? I thought all the men beautifully attired!!! My favorite of Darcy's clothing was the suit which he changed into at Pemberly (after his swim). I only wish that my own husband would dress like that!!
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: Essays, sonnets, anthems could be written in praise of Mr. Darcy's costuming in the Pemberley scenes. No, what we were talking about was a minor complaint --- his wedding duds were a disappointment.
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Posted by Tommye on October 15, 1996 at 22:08:20:
:
: In my version Lady C. never hears the rumor, never confronts
: Lizzy, never tells everything to Darcy, and, as a result,
: Darcy never begins to hope as he scarcely ever allowed
: himself to hope before. Lizzy and Darcy end up seperated,
: both in love, but both ignorant of the other's feelings.
: Because the best parts in Austen are when the hero and the
: heroine finally fall in love and get married, I do go on to
: get them together, but only about 15 years later: after
: Lizzy has married and become a widow with two kids, and
: after Darcy has run off, heartbroken, to America for a while.
: If anyone is interested, let me know and I will try to post
: it here.
: Ann
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Well, Ann, since you've already let it be known the suffering Lizzy and Darcy would have to endure for 15 years before the mandatory positive closure, I must say that I couldn't take it.
Tommye
P. S. I enjoyed reading about your writing the sequel, though. Such a way with words.
Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 22:11:18:
Oh dear, I should not even mention this I fear, but I found a most engaging new IRC application and wanted to see if anybody has any interest in trying it.
It's a Microsoft Internet Explorer plug in called Comic Chat and it works just like regular IRC except you can "be" comic character. It's pretty limited right now but there are plans for customizable characters. Wouldn't it be almost too much fun to design some Regency characters -- or even play at being P&P characters?
I do not wish to start anyone on a new addiction. God knows I don't need to spend any more time on the net, but I have often been on simultaneously with three or four of you and wished I could talk more directly.
Amy
Pic shows a few frames. The chat room it was from had about 11 participants, so these frames were only up for probably 45 seconds.
Link:
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Posted by Grace on October 15, 1996 at 22:17:10:
:
: :
: : 2. My own thought on Lady Catherine learning of the Darcy engagement rumor: Mr. Collins, hearing from Charlotte of her suspicions, then rushes to his patroness' side to offer delicately worded assurances that any such idle gossip that might reach her ears is to be dismissed as insupportable. His every word has exactly the opposite effect of what he intended - and Lady Catherine, now informed and indignant, decides to take matters into her own hands!
: : (Also, we might surmise that naive little Georgiana dutifully writes to her Aunt to recount every detail of her summer: "How delighted I was, dear Aunt, to finally meet Miss Elizabeth Bennet and to have the pleasure of entertaining her and her delightful relatives at Pemberley......."
: : :Grace
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: Both of these sound plausible, indeed. There were at least three times that I remember Charlotte making reference to Darcy's attitude towards Lizzy: (1) He seems to be looking at you a lot, Lizzy (paraphrase) at the ball. (2) He must be coming to see you, Lizzy, for he certainly wouldn't come directly here to see me (again, paraphrase) and (3) Mr. Darcy must be in love with you, Lizzy (in Charlotte's drawing room).
: Tommye
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: Another possible link in the chain of gossip from Hunsford to Meryton --- remember that Lizzy's maid travelled with her and would have been in the house on the proposal night.
Posted by Grace on October 15, 1996 at 22:22:23:
:
: : T
: : 2. I understand the assumption that the Lucases spread the rumour about Darcy and Lizzie's supposedly impending engagement, probably from Charlotte's implications. However, I fail to see her motive for this, knowing the wrath it would excite in Lady Catherine. Is it possible that the Bingley sisters could have surreptitiously planted this buzz in hopes of it getting to Lady Catherine, who predictably would attempt to put a stop to it?
: : I would be very interested in your opinions.
: ___________________
: On top of this question, I have wondered about the comments Col. Fitzwilliam made to Lizzy about all the good thingss he had heard about her, and later, the same type of comments Miss Darcy made to Lizzy about what she had heard about Lizzy. Obviously, Mr. Darcy DID talk to a few people: Fitzwilliam and his sister. Therefore, perhaps later he talked to one or both of them AGAIN, this time expressing his love for Lizzy and his desire to marry her. Both the Colonel and Miss Darcy were related to Lady Catherine. While Miss Darcy was certainly loyal to her brother, perhaps the Colonel let slip a word or two.???
: Tommye
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: I don't know how much of this advance knowledge of Lizzy dialogue was in the book.
Posted by Joan, too on October 15, 1996 at 23:03:38:
: 2. I understand the assumption that the Lucases spread the rumour about Darcy and Lizzie's supposedly impending engagement, probably from Charlotte's implications. However, I fail to see her motive for this, knowing the wrath it would excite in Lady Catherine. Is it possible that the Bingley sisters could have surreptitiously planted this buzz in hopes of it getting to Lady Catherine, who predictably would attempt to put a stop to it?
: I would be very interested in your opinions.
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If you will review the letter that Mr. Collins wrote to Mr. Bennet at the end of Chapter 57, you'll find that the rumor was indeed initiated by the Lucases, and that Mr. C. himself admits to being the person to have told Lady C.
Joan, too
Posted by Candace on October 15, 1996 at 23:07:09:
: : : : : : : : Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?!
: : : : : :
: : : : : : ___________________
: : : : : : I thought Darcy looked a bit somber at the ceremony.
: : : : : : Afterwards of course there was that wonderful beaming smile,
: : : : : : but he didn't look like he enjoyed the wedding itselff very
: : : : : : much.
: : : : : : Ann
: : : : :
: : : : : ___________________
: : : : : Yes, I thought Darcy's attire looked particularly daggy (this is an Australianism with various, often affectionate, meanings; in this case it means lacking in style)
: : : : : Hilary
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : : : Daggy is now going to be my word of the month.
: : : Daggy is a great word, and fully deserving of being your word of the month, but I shall have to give you full details:
: : : It can mean dirty, slovenly, unpleasant; conservative and lacking in style, esp.in appearance; or stupid, idiotic or eccentric. The last two meanings are often affectionate,ie. 'what a daggy thing to do'.
: : : A dag is someone who personifies any of these daggy behaviours.
: : : But it all derives from dag:'wool on a sheep's rear quarters, often dirty with mud and excreta' - The Macquarie Dictionary (Aust).
: : : Have fun!
: : : Hilary
: :
: : ___________________
: :
: : I do wonder if I watched the same show as you all did? I thought all the men beautifully attired!!! My favorite of Darcy's clothing was the suit which he changed into at Pemberly (after his swim). I only wish that my own husband would dress like that!!
:
: ___________________
: : Essays, sonnets, anthems could be written in praise of Mr. Darcy's costuming in the Pemberley scenes. No, what we were talking about was a minor complaint --- his wedding duds were a disappointment.
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Ah, I see -- I will have to watch again to see if I agree -- One thing I did notice after watching P&P2 too many times (Is that possible?) was that Mr. Darcy was not too consistant with which side he dressed to...I'm sorry -- I just couldn't help noticing this.
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Posted by Kali on October 15, 1996 at 23:12:35:
: : : : Actually I guess you'd call what Betty was doing trolling. : ___________________
: : :
: : : Please be nice, guys - she's not so far off. ; )
: : ___________________
: : Of course Betty was perfectly on target. We are all flaming nuts on this subject, but as Arnessa pointed out, that is precisely the point of this thing. Also, we suffer from enough raised eyebrows in our own homes and among our non-virtual friends, so this ought to be a haven from all that. At least that's why I put the thing up in the first place.
: : Amy
: I wonder what the BBC added to Pride and Prejudice to make me want to keep watching it! Betty may have just been a bit too truthful. It hasn't stopped me though!
: Have you read the Bio on Colin Firth - I thought he was older than the 25 years that Mr Darcy was. At 34 he may have been too old for this role?
: Rose
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: ___________________
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Man, I thought Darcy was supposed to be 28 or 29!
- K
PS - I know how Amy feels - We know we're crazy, and we don't need anybody else to tell us that. Still, isn't it kind of fun to be part of a wacko cult following? If everyone were like us, it wouldn't be the same!
Posted by Donna on October 15, 1996 at 23:17:50:
: :
: : In P&P0 the men were all just as handsome as the next I think that was one good thing about that movie. Mr. Bingley,Darcy and Wickham they were all attractive.
: : Donna
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: I agree, this would have been better. Though perhaps then we wouldn't have this wonderful obsession with Mr. Darcy. Handsome or no, Adrian Lukis does play Wickham too smarmily from the get-go. There -- I've done it. I've actually admitted to a flaw in this production. (I even like Alison Steadman's shrieking...)
: Mary H
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Yes he is the handsomest man. I think the way he acted the role he would of survived the test. Will never know.
ciao Donna
Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 23:18:19:
: To Ann - Back when B & H met, they were still poor law students at Yale (and she of the better family, no less!). Anyway, Hillary is a successful corporate lawyer. It's her income that's carried the family this far (Bill's always made peanuts in public office). It's not like Miz E doesn't ride on Bob's coattails from time to time, either. ; )
: Kali
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That's why I said that equating Hillary with Mrs. Elton was
harsh. Remember, I said that Hillary would have gone further
without Bill!
Ann
Posted by Mich on October 15, 1996 at 23:30:09:
: Which P and P did you like best?
: Rose
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A&E's by far. The other either went to far from the book or had no life. A&E captured Austen the best. how about you?
Mich
Posted by Joan, too on October 15, 1996 at 23:30:51:
: I dearly would love people to be able to gain access to Jane's Page so keep trying please.
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Well, Ian - all of a sudden, tonight, the link to OJ worked. But the particular links (to graphics?) that you had left earlier have all now expired. How about running them up the flagpole one more time?
Joan, too
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Posted by Mich on October 15, 1996 at 23:31:59:
:
: :
: : : In the last two weeks I have seen all three versions of P&P,
: : : Two versions of S&S
: : : Two versions of Emma
: : : and when I'm not logged on here I'm rereading one of them.
: : : I can't stop....I'm hopelessly addicted.
: : : Mich
: : ___________________
: : Many of us here have been through the initial stages of the addiction and have progressed to far more serious stages. I would suggest that you now obtain from the video store a copy of the 95 version of "Persuasion" with Amanda Root. While on the first viewing you may find it disagreeably different from A&E P&P (known here as P&P2), keep on and most likely you will have to add it to your growing list of addictions. Frankly, I liked it best the fifth time.
: : Somewhere on this BB there is a list of symptoms of this addiction. Maybe Amy can tell you where to find it.
: : Tommye
: :PS
: I don't know of a cure. Yet.
: Tommye
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You are very kind but I already own "Persuasion" with Amanda Root. I have seen it many times and loved it more each time.
you see the situation is hopeless.
Mich
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Posted by hat on October 15, 1996 at 23:38:49:
I've often thought it would be great to see a copy of the actual
Andrew Davies scripts that the actors worked from. It would give
you some idea of how much direction the actors had in developing
their characters.
So how's this for a marketing idea, a package consisting of:
The Video (desire of this must be a sign of addiction too when
you already have it from the TV)
The Book (hardback)
The Making of P&P
The Scripts
A book of stills (prompted by the fact that although 'The Making'
has great pics, of which p.98 is the best, none of
the very best are in it. Why is this? Just holding
out on us for some, I expect commercial, reason.)
I'm sure I could think of some other things too, from sublime to
ridiculous, but that will do for now, as children call. The only
trouble is that it would cost a fortune, and I'd be one of the
suckers that couldn't resist!
Hilary
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Posted by Joan, too on October 15, 1996 at 23:53:13:
: Hilary:
So how's this for a marketing idea, a package consisting of:
- The Video (desire of this must be a sign of addiction too when you already have it from the TV)
- The Book (hardback)
- The Making of P&P
- The Scripts
- A book of stills (prompted by the fact that although 'The Making' has great pics, of which p.98 is the best, none of the very best are in it. Why is this? Just holding out on us for some, I expect commercial, reason.)
Don't forget to include the video of "The Making Of..." - and the sheet music of both Davis' original stuff and of the dance tunes.
Joan, too
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