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Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 15:28:01:
: If anyone is interested, let me know and I will try to post
: it here.
By all means we must have it. Why don't you email it to me and I will put it up on a seperate page?
Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 15:31:27:
: : : Latest news form over the pond is that Emma will be screened on ITV (not BBC) some time in November. It Stars Kate Beckinsale (Cold Comfort Farm, Much Ado About Nothing) in the title role. Script is written by Andrew Davies and produced by Sue Birtwhistle. It will be two hours long and screened as a "film".
: : ___________________
: : Oh no. I was aware of everything but the two-hour part. I am bitterly disappointed. Are you absolutely sure. There can be no mistake?
: : Amy
: Unfortunately, I positive (sigh). There was an article in The Times, (June I think) where it stated that the ITV adaptation would be 2 hours long (aka. Persuasion). On the slightly more positive side the BBC adaptation should be 6 episodes long -- about the length of P&P 2. This is assuming that the rumours are true of course !!
But which production group is which? If the BBC/A&E version
is the 6 hour one, is it not being done by
Davies/Birtwhistle? If not, who is doing it? I assumed that
BBC/A&E would get the same group together for the 6 hour
"Emma" as they had for the 6 hour P&P.
Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 15:41:56:
:: The Clintons: Mr. Bingley and Mrs. Elton?
: The Doles: Mr. Woodhouse and Lucy Steele?
: -Arnessa (an independent).
I would have to strongly disagree with the Lucy Steele one.
E. Dole has been a cabinet secretary in two different
administrations (Transportation & Labor I believe), and is
running one of the biggest quasi-charities in the world,
she is not exactly a stupid conniving money-hungry wench
(which is how I would characterize Steele).
I also think you're a bit hard on Hillary. I am of the
opinion that Ms. Rodham would have gone much further on
her own, if she hadn't become Mrs. Clinton. (Her position in
life, after all, is almost entirely due to her husband's,
and being a feminist, I don't give her much credit for
simply marrying well.)
Posted by Donna on October 15, 1996 at 15:52:39:
: : and the chance that Wickham should join the ____shire militia which is encamped in the very neighborhood Darcy is visiting spring immediately to mind.)
: : Cheryl
: I have long wondered why the place names and some peoples names are written with blanks, such as the -----shire militia.
: Does anybody know?
JA never wrote the name of the -----shire militia or Col Fitwilliams father WHATEVER in the book. I just thought she couldn't come up with a name.
Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 15:55:04:
: : G'day All,
: : Aren't Darcy and Lizzy just a little too perfect? Little wonder that they both fall for each other. I suppose it's nice to dream. Ho hum.
: Beg to differ, respectfully. On the contrary I think it is their faults that go a long way toward endearing them to us.
I agree. Darcy is arrogant, concieted, and selfish.
Elizabeth is quick to find faults in others when there are
no faults to find (Darcy--sort of), and slow to find the
faults that are relly there (Wickham). Both suffer from both
pride and prejudice...Hey, that would make a great title!
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on October 15, 1996 at 15:58:46:
: : Hey, the hippopotamus was doing the Polka. How could you make such an error???
: Henry, oh Henry,
: So welcome is your entry!
: When from you we didn't hear
: All of us began to fear
: That, perhaps, you'd been offended
: And your patronage
: To us had ended.
Posted by Mary H on October 15, 1996 at 16:15:52:
: : At the Netherfield Ball in P&P2 we see a tortured Darcy -- trying to avoid Elizabeth,
: : but drawn like a moth to a flame.
No wonder he thinks she actually likes him (she does unconsciously as practically everyone on this BB agrees).
I really don't think she does like him here, but she is flattered by his attention (though she would never admit it!). It is something of a triumph to have him ask her to dance for a second time when he didn't think her pretty enough on their first meeting. I believe Lizzy when she says she doesn't begin to like Darcy until she sees him on his own territory - Pemberley - and sees the change that has come over him as a result of her rejection.
Posted by Eric on October 15, 1996 at 16:45:59:
: : :
: : : : : Grace:
: : : : : Could we talk a bit about poor Colonel Fitzwilliam? (Stop me if you have already gone over this one.) Darcy has found his happiness but I fear that the Colonel is now left to marry Miss de Bourgh ( a fate worse than death, especially when you consider life at Rosings with such a tyrannical mother-in-law). I see the married Colonel constantly drawn to Pemberley to 1.escape the oppressive conditions at home, 2.find male companionship other than Mr. Collins,3. bask in the domestic bliss enjoyed by Darcy and Elizabeth.
: : : : Family duty and the need for money make this marriage inevitable. Am I wrong???
: : : : A few days ago there were some who were trying to marry the poor Colonel off to Caroline Bingley, but this is an equally appalling thought!
: : : : Joan, too
: : : ___________________
: : : Appalling, indeed!
: : With all that money and Rosings at stake, Anne will never wind up a spinster. What's more, Lady Catherine would not allow it. No, I fear the Colonel's fate is sealed... but then, many women did die in childbirth. Anne could miraculously produce a healthy son only to.......
: : : A few thoughts on the subject:
: : : Colonel Fitzwilliam may still have parents and/or an older brother alive who already have a wife picked out for him.
: : : If the Colonel attended Darcy & Elizabeth's wedding (yes, I know he was there in the movie), then Lady C would be angry at him for approving such a dreadful match.
: : : Even if Col. F married Miss De Bourgh, we could always hope for widowerhood -- possibly a wealthy widower?
: : : kathleen
: : ___________________
: : I always imagined Miss De Bough living as a spinster. She just seemed too delicate and weak for marriage. I think that Colonel Fitzwilliam will find happiness in marriage. I'm hoping that Miss Bingley will smarten up.
I do feel for the good Col. Fitzwilliam as do so many of you, but your hopes he might find a match among the remaining women in the movie and/or book strike me as misplaced. I should personally not wish to burden the man with any of them. Rather, I should invent some elegant and pleasant young lady of Kent or Derbyshire. In this way, we can satisfy all our desires for the Colonel's happiness without needing to radically alter or correct the failings of the other characters.
Posted by MaryH on October 15, 1996 at 16:48:22:
: In P&P0 the men were all just as handsome as the next I think that was one good thing about that movie. Mr. Bingley,Darcy and Wickham they were all attractive.
I agree, this would have been better. Though perhaps then we wouldn't have this wonderful obsession with Mr. Darcy. Handsome or no, Adrian Lukis does play Wickham too smarmily from the get-go. There -- I've done it. I've actually admitted to a flaw in this production. (I even like Alison Steadman's shrieking...)
Posted by Eric on October 15, 1996 at 16:50:46:
One of the most impressive features of the movie for me was the cimetography. I'm wondering, however, if there are any stills of Lyme Park, Cheshire (Pemberly in P&P2), Belton House, Grantham, Lincolnshire (Rosings) or Edgcote Hall, Oxon (Netherfield). If you know of any sites where such images might be obtained, I would greatly appreciate hearing of them.
Posted by Rebecca on October 15, 1996 at 16:52:24:
: What about Greg Wise (Willoughby in the recent S&S) ? I think he would make a very creditable rake !
Yes, and perhaps he might have given a more "sincere" impression, as he did for most of S&S. I actually think Adrian Lukis is probably a good actor; I just don't know if anyone can really pull off Wickham--even as I read the book, I have always been uncomfortable about Elizabeth's prejudices here -- at any other point in her life, she probably would have seen through the guy and not really found him to be so handsome!
Posted by Cheryl on October 15, 1996 at 16:56:57:
: Can you imagine Mrs. B. visiting Pemberley? Every time I
: think of her reaction the first time she sees the place, I
: get a shudder!
"Oh Lizzy, my dear!--Such fine settees, what beautiful cushions! Such exquisite wall hangings!--the colors are perfect-- and what obliging manners the servants have!--Netherfield is *nothing* compared to the delights of Pemberly.--I shall enjoy my two fortnights visit here-- afterall, you were always my favorite child!"
Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 16:59:55:
Rather, I should invent some elegant and pleasant young lady of Kent or Derbyshire. In this way, we can satisfy all our desires for the Colonel's happiness without needing to radically alter or correct the failings of the other characters.
But Eric, you don't seem to understand. That would be no fun at all.
Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 17:03:27:
. If you know of any sites where such images might be obtained, I would greatly appreciate hearing of them.
You are in Italy? Then you may have better luck than we have had lately in reaching the Ostentatious Jane Page in Australia. There is a link to it from the Links page here. The pics may have come origially from the BBC page though I can't really say for sure.
Posted by Mary H on October 15, 1996 at 17:03:41:
: : I really do like Mr. Bennet, Tommye, he is great fun to read and watch, but I would not have wanted to be *his* wife (but then he soon realizes that he does not want to be *her* husband. It all works out so nicely, does it not?
: : Cheryl
Alright, what if we look at it this way. Mr. Bennet gets the letter from Mr. Collins. The man is the heir to Longbourne, he can't exactly refuse to let him visit, but it is going to be a delicate situation at best, especially given the lack of intelligence which Mr. Collins displays so flagrently in his introductory letter. Now if Mr. Bennet had told Mrs. Bennet right away that Mr. Collins was coming, she would have carried on for a whole month the way she does when she finds out he is coming that day. And that would have driven everyone crazy. But, as it is, the family only has to listen to her for a few hours.
Can't we give the poor guy a break? I really do like him. (I've already admitted to a flaw in the film, don't make me admit that one of my favorite characters is mean-spirited!)
Posted by Kali on October 15, 1996 at 17:04:41:
: An experiment with countering flaming
: Actually I guess you'd call what Betty was doing trolling. Would not Mr Bennet have loved handling such people? He would have loved the net but it would not have been good for him.
Please be nice, guys - she's not so far off. ; )
Posted by Rebecca on October 15, 1996 at 17:05:35:
: Yes Cheryl, those foreshadowings
: are what I am busy looking for now. Have mentioned "we need not care for his good opinion" and "she is not handsome enough to tempt me" in another mail.
: Read somewhere that lots of Lizzy´s lecturing Darcy during the Dance, is echoing what she herself ought to bear in mind.About beeing careful not to jump into hasty conclusions and never be blinded by prejudice! I have also got the feeling that some of Mary´s tiresome remarks have some real
: content that should have been attended to.Has anyone noticed?
Oh, no question. Mary's discussion of the difference between pride and vanity (when various people are discussing the Meryton assembly and Darcy's behavior) is undoubtedly useful and sums up what everyone ought to be paying attention to. But of course, the joke is that Elizabeth really pays no attention and later has to scold herself (as does Darcy in more foreshadowing) for her misplaced vanity and pride. In the P&P2 though, most of Mary's remarks are just cliches, as in the first episode's Misfortunes are sent to try us or something similar (I don't think it was in the broadcast but is definitely in the video).
Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 17:11:27:
: : Actually I guess you'd call what Betty was doing trolling. : ___________________
: Please be nice, guys - she's not so far off. ; )
Of course Betty was perfectly on target. We are all flaming nuts on this subject, but as Arnessa pointed out, that is precisely the point of this thing. Also, we suffer from enough raised eyebrows in our own homes and among our non-virtual friends, so this ought to be a haven from all that. At least that's why I put the thing up in the first place.
Posted by Donna on October 15, 1996 at 17:12:18:
It has been pointed out that a father could not disinherit his
eldest son. Why then should Mr. Ferrars depend on the will of his mother.
How can she change the entailment law or fact. I know that your under construction.
Thank you Donna
Posted by Donna on October 15, 1996 at 17:41:05:
: One of the most impressive features of the movie for me was the cimetography. I'm wondering, however, if there are any stills of Lyme Park, Cheshire (Pemberly in P&P2), Belton House, Grantham, Lincolnshire (Rosings) or Edgcote Hall, Oxon (Netherfield). If you know of any sites where such images might be obtained, I would greatly appreciate hearing of them.
This might help http://www.intergrity.co.uk./glossop/gallery
I just put in Pemberly and got this.
BBC has a list of places http://www.bbcnc.org.uk./tv/entertainment find P&P and you should find the list very slow page.
Donna,P.S.I still don't know how to use op.link and Op.image link
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