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Posted by Laura M on October 15, 1996 at 13:50:29:
: Just was at E!online and Miramax is going to be filming Mansfield
: Park A&E is also a hot link on E!.
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: http://www.eoline.com.
: ciao Donna
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I have checked E! and can't find a thing about MP. Please tell more Donna. Laura
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Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 14:02:10:
: I loved the hand thread, but I think you guys definitely scared off Betty.
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That was fun, wasn't it? An experiment with countering flaming but it worked very well indeed with everyone jumping in. Let's handle it in the same way if anybody else tries it. So civilised.
Amy
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Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 14:06:37:
An experiment with countering flaming
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Actually I guess you'd call what Betty was doing trolling. Would not Mr Bennet have loved handling such people? He would have loved the net but it would not have been good for him.
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Posted by Saman on October 15, 1996 at 14:12:40:
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: : : I always like to think the clothes are wedding finery. This brings to mind a point related to finery: Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?! I know it was a simple ceremony in a country church, but I think the costume dept. failed us on this one.
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: I recently heard Regency men described as being real peacocks always preening themselves, so I agree that perhaps that Bingley and Darcy should be more lavishly attired, however, I don't think either are vain Darcy especially so I just can't picture him dressed in a lot of frippery. I think that his clothes would be on the plainer side, though obviously they would be crafted from the best quality fabrics and by the most accomplished tailor.
: Maybe its just the British reserve ?
: Bernie
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When talking about Darcy and preening etc, the scene that springs to mind is when he's going to visit Lizzy (at Lambton I think) and he chooses the green riding coat over the black. I thought that was a neat insight into his character, because even though you would suspect that he would be rather vain (with those looks who wouldn't?!) it sort of confirmed it. And he thought enough of Elizabeth to care about how he looked.
Saman
Posted by Raphael on October 15, 1996 at 14:14:01:
: : fyi, the actress who plays Nan is now starring in the new sit-com "Spin City." She plays Michael J. Fox's live-in girlfriend.
: : -eva
: : p.s. is Greg Wise still dating Emma Thompson off-screen?
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: Apparently so!!
: Bernie
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Greg Wise, eh? I hadn't heard. So, logically, she has separated from Branagh? Divorced?
I feel like a rumour-hawk.
Incidentally, while on the subject of the Buccaneers, the screenplay was written by the woman who wrote the TV movie Northanger Abbey, starring Colin Firth's brother, and Robert Hardy (Sir John in S&S), and who is now hired by Miramax to write Mansfield Park.
I am beginning to see a distinct web of recurring names here. A social club of filmmaking Austenites?
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Donna on October 15, 1996 at 14:17:52:
: : Just was at E!online and Miramax is going to be filming Mansfield
: : Park A&E is also a hot link on E!.
: :
: : http://www.eoline.com.
: : ciao Donna
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: I have checked E! and can't find a thing about MP. Please tell more Donna. Laura
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Eoline Front door go to First Look,scroll down to Backpage
click First look Oct.14 5:40 Scroll see EX:AUSTEN doesn't go into any details at all. I was very surprised to find it in
the first place.
ciao Donna
Posted by Mich on October 15, 1996 at 14:18:56:
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: Has anybody been able to get "The Making of Pride and
: Prejudice" in US ? I called around and nobody carried it
: and they weren't even able to order it for me, I guess
: it's still only published in UK ?
: Worst to the worst I'll order it from UK, but I still hope
: I can get it in US since it will be faster - I'm really
: dying to read the book!
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I have many every book stores in my area, called Jane Austens book on the link and searched for Black Wells books but still cannot find this book. I tried the 312-266-0080 number in the FAQ link but only got an answering machine.
Help! anyone have any suggestions?
Mich
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Posted by Raphael on October 15, 1996 at 14:24:42:
: I have checked E! and can't find a thing about MP. Please tell more Donna. Laura
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E! is a strange beast of a sight -- I have learned a little more from the Hollywood Reporter, however, which might interest you.
Maggie Wadey, who wrote the Buccaneers, and the TV movie Northanger Abbey, starring Colin Firth's brother, has been hired by Miramax Pictures to write the screenplay for Mansfield Park.
I would warn you that as much as ninety-percent of screenplays purchased by studios are never filmed or released. It is very, very, early in the game, as the executive for Miramax who made the deal was very careful in stating.
It will be some time before this ever makes it to the screen, and no principal actors or crew, to my knowledge, have been set.
Cordially,
Raphael
Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 14:30:39:
: and the chance that Wickham should join the ____shire militia which is encamped in the very neighborhood Darcy is visiting spring immediately to mind.)
: Cheryl
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I have long wondered why the place names and some peoples names are written with blanks, such as the -----shire militia.
Does anybody know?
Ann
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Posted by Carolyn on October 15, 1996 at 14:32:48:
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: : : I always like to think the clothes are wedding finery. This brings to mind a point related to finery: Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?! I know it was a simple ceremony in a country church, but I think the costume dept. failed us on this one.
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: I recently heard Regency men described as being real peacocks always preening themselves, so I agree that perhaps that Bingley and Darcy should be more lavishly attired,
however, I don't think either are vain --Darcy especially-- so I just can't picture him dressed in a lot of frippery. I think that his clothes would be on the plainer side, though obviously they would be crafted from the best quality fabrics and by the most accomplished tailor.
I think Darcy and Bingley are following the fashion set by Beau Brummel, the fashion leader of the day, which was for plainer clothes, but of excellent cut and finest cloth. The emphasis was on elegance.
The peacocky dressers were known as dandies. The like brighter clothes, fancy printed waistcoast, high collars, etc. I do not think this would appeal to Darcy.
: Maybe its just the British reserve ?
: Bernie
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Posted by Carolyn on October 15, 1996 at 14:39:41:
: :
: : Has anybody been able to get "The Making of Pride and
: : Prejudice" in US ? I called around and nobody carried it
: : and they weren't even able to order it for me, I guess
: : it's still only published in UK ?
: : Worst to the worst I'll order it from UK, but I still hope
: : I can get it in US since it will be faster - I'm really
: : dying to read the book!
:
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: I have many every book stores in my area, called Jane Austens book on the link and searched for Black Wells books but still cannot find this book. I tried the 312-266-0080 number in the FAQ link but only got an answering machine.
: Help! anyone have any suggestions?
: Mich
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I work at a University and I found the book in the film/film making/theater library. Unfortuneatly, I will have to give it back at the end of the month.
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Posted by Carolyn on October 15, 1996 at 14:45:27:
I was told that the servants didn't gossip. What I said they related information.
: ciao Donna
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I always heard that the servants knew everything almost before it happened. They were not supposed to gossip about their employers, but they did, I'm sure.
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 15, 1996 at 14:46:07:
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: : : : As for Darcy I think he had higher morals than most young men of his time.
: : : : But as young rich very handsome I have hard to think him totally innocent at the age of 28.
: : : : But I certainly do not think he went to the prostitutes of London with his high moral and fastidious nature.His remarks at Lucas Lodge on the very great pleasure a pair of fine eyes in
: : : : the face of a pretty woman .
: : : : and more his rather checky remark at Nethfield
: : : : about admiring miss Bingley and Lizzys figures maybe suggests that he was not wholly unexperienced.
: : : : (Or is my dirty mind going again?)
: : : : Anna-Karin
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: : : I feel that Darcy was not at all experienced when it came to women. Austen does describe Darcy as being "As much awake to the novelty of attention in that quarter (in that quarter meaning him looking at Elizabeth's figure as she walked around the room) as Elizabeth herself could be."
: : : Paola
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: : Well and I take the same passage in the text as a proof of that he maybe had some experience (but I do not think much since he was proud,shy ) with
: : ladies figures.But we all read things differently;);). But maybe it is my dirty mind.
: : But at that time and in his social class it would have been very unusual had he been totally innocent. But the only way to know is to ask him
: : and that would be rather difficult.Maybe it has to be aomething between him and Lizzy;);)
: : Anna-Karin
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: How could you take that passage as a proof that he was experienced? As for Lizzy, I don't think even she would have had so much courage as to ask him on his experience in that field.
: Paola
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Well It must be my dirty mind again.but I have always thought that his reply about admiring Lizzys and Carolines figures to be rather cheeck
So we can argue about it into eternity ;);)
Whatewer was the case let us hope that the subject did not cause darcy and Lizzy much trouble ;);)
Anna-Karin
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Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 14:46:53:
: : 2. I understand the assumption that the Lucases spread the rumour about Darcy and Lizzie's supposedly impending engagement, probably from Charlotte's implications.
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: 2. My own thought on Lady Catherine learning of the Darcy engagement rumor: Mr. Collins, hearing from Charlotte of her suspicions, then rushes to his patroness' side to offer delicately worded assurances that any such idle gossip that might reach her ears is to be dismissed as insupportable. His every word has exactly the opposite effect of what he intended - and Lady Catherine, now informed and indignant, decides to take matters into her own hands!
: :Grace
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A while ago, when there was talk around here about sequels,
I wrote out some scenes that I had been mulling in my head
for some time and tied them together into a short story.
They are based on the question: what would have happened if
the rumor never existed? I ended up writing 10 single spaced
pages. The length is one reason why I never posted it here.
Other reasons are that I made Darcy a bit too much like
someone you would find in a Bronte novel, and that I have
never written fiction before.
In my version Lady C. never hears the rumor, never confronts
Lizzy, never tells everything to Darcy, and, as a result,
Darcy never begins to hope as he scarcely ever allowed
himself to hope before. Lizzy and Darcy end up seperated,
both in love, but both ignorant of the other's feelings.
Because the best parts in Austen are when the hero and the
heroine finally fall in love and get married, I do go on to
get them together, but only about 15 years later: after
Lizzy has married and become a widow with two kids, and
after Darcy has run off, heartbroken, to America for a while.
If anyone is interested, let me know and I will try to post
it here.
Ann
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Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 15, 1996 at 14:51:46:
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: : : : : As for Darcy I think he had higher morals than most young men of his time.
: : : : : But as young rich very handsome I have hard to think him totally innocent at the age of 28.
: : : : : But I certainly do not think he went to the prostitutes of London with his high moral and fastidious nature.His remarks at Lucas Lodge on the very great pleasure a pair of fine eyes in
: : : : : the face of a pretty woman .
: : : : : and more his rather checky remark at Nethfield
: : : : : about admiring miss Bingley and Lizzys figures maybe suggests that he was not wholly unexperienced.
: : : : : (Or is my dirty mind going again?)
: : : : : Anna-Karin
: : : :
: : : : ___________________
: : : : I feel that Darcy was not at all experienced when it came to women. Austen does describe Darcy as being "As much awake to the novelty of attention in that quarter (in that quarter meaning him looking at Elizabeth's figure as she walked around the room) as Elizabeth herself could be."
: : : : Paola
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : Well and I take the same passage in the text as a proof of that he maybe had some experience (but I do not think much since he was proud,shy ) with
: : : ladies figures.But we all read things differently;);). But maybe it is my dirty mind.
: : : But at that time and in his social class it would have been very unusual had he been totally innocent. But the only way to know is to ask him
: : : and that would be rather difficult.Maybe it has to be aomething between him and Lizzy;);)
: : : Anna-Karin
: :
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: : How could you take that passage as a proof that he was experienced? As for Lizzy, I don't think even she would have had so much courage as to ask him on his experience in that field.
: : Paola
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: Well It must be my dirty mind again.but I have always thought that his reply about admiring Lizzys and Carolines figures to be rather cheeky.;);)
And to that the double standards of that time.
: So we can argue about it into eternity ;);)
And Jane Austen is no longer her for us to ask and it is a little hard to ask Darcy
: Whatewer was the case let us hope that the subject did not cause Darcy and Lizzy much trouble ;);)
: Anna-Karin (with the dirty mind)
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Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 14:54:03:
: I'm surprised that Collins came from Mr. Bennets side of the family, I would have thought Collins would suit Mrs. Bennet's side- ie. her brother.
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But remember, Mrs. Bennet's brother is the entirely
sensible Mr. Gardiner. Another fine example of not being
able to choose one's relatives.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 15:07:25:
Can you imagine Mrs. B. visiting Pemberley? Every time I
think of her reaction the first time she sees the place, I
get a shudder!
Ann
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Posted by Zimei on October 15, 1996 at 15:09:58:
: :
: : Has anybody been able to get "The Making of Pride and
: : Prejudice" in US ? I called around and nobody carried it
: : and they weren't even able to order it for me, I guess
: : it's still only published in UK ?
: : Worst to the worst I'll order it from UK, but I still hope
: : I can get it in US since it will be faster - I'm really
: : dying to read the book!
:
: ___________________
: I have many every book stores in my area, called Jane Austens book on the link and searched for Black Wells books but still cannot find this book. I tried the 312-266-0080 number in the FAQ link but only got an answering machine.
: Help! anyone have any suggestions?
: Mich
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Hi Mich, I'm the original poster of this tread. Yesterday
I tried the telephone number too, but got the fax machine.
I then faxed (to the fax number listed in faq 312-266-0081) my inquiry/order
and then followed up with the an email (jabooks@aol.com)
for I didn't trust the fax number at that time.
Pat (forgot her last name) from Jane Austen Books called
me this morning and my book is on its way !
So try the fax or email.
Good luck !
Zimei
Posted by Cheryl on October 15, 1996 at 15:12:56:
: I have many every book stores in my area, called Jane Austens book on the link and searched for Black Wells books but still cannot find this book. I tried the 312-266-0080 number in the FAQ link but only got an answering machine.
: Help! anyone have any suggestions?
: Mich
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I also got an answering machine when I called the JABooks number. But I sent an e-mail to JABooks@aol.com and got an answer the next day and the book the following week.
Cheryl
Posted by Ann on October 15, 1996 at 15:22:26:
: : Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?!
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I thought Darcy looked a bit somber at the ceremony.
Afterwards of course there was that wonderful beaming smile,
but he didn't look like he enjoyed the wedding itselff very
much.
Ann
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