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Posted by kathleen on October 15, 1996 at 05:42:50:
: : : : I think JA must have known a few Mr.Collin's in her lifetime
: : : : The conversation at the dinner table seem like something a nerdy
: : : : fellow would admit to in mix company.
: : : : ciao Donna
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: : : I personally believe that there are still Mr. Collins living today! :)
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: : Nerd, geek, or maybe prude whatever you want to call him.
: : There are I can say a few very nice nerds that I know. In general they are not all as bad as Mr. Collins. He is so
: : What would you call him, spineless. What do you think.
: : ciao Donna
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: I agree although Collins has more than just a "geekiness" about him. He is also very silly and idiotic. You can be a geek or a nerd but not be as silly or stupid as Collins. (Especially when he thinks he is Mr. Hotshot for Lizzy)
: I'm surprised that Collins came from Mr. Bennets side of the family, I would have thought Collins would suit Mrs. Bennet's side- ie. her brother.
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And instead, Mrs Bennet has a Mr Gardiner as a brother -- one of the most
sensible people in the novel.
kathleen
Posted by Ann2 on October 15, 1996 at 07:30:02:
: Joe, about what?
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we had better not enquire...Maybe he means to be severe upon us... No, --He must have enjoyed Mr
Collins and Lady Cath I suppose...
Ann2
Posted by Grace on October 15, 1996 at 07:57:21:
For those interested in Austen sequels, another one is due out November 1, '96 from St. Martin's Press: Later Days at Highbury/A Novel by Joan Austen-Leigh
Grace
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Posted by Ian on October 15, 1996 at 07:57:39:
Here in Australia our public broadcaster the ABC is currently showing the series. This Sunday sees the screening of the 4th Episode.
In many ways the story is very similar to P&P, but being set in a later and more licentious period. What a pity the English gentleman are such hollow characters when compared with Darcy. But then it is hard to compare any man with Darcy. Perhaps as a male I'm underselling myself there. Oh well.
Posted by Ian on October 15, 1996 at 08:13:33:
: You're both so right. Darcy and Lizzie are fictional characters we can fall in love with in good conscience! They deserve eachother's - and our - love.
: - K
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G'day All,
Aren't Darcy and Lizzy just a little too perfect? Little wonder that they both fall for each other. I suppose it's nice to dream. Ho hum.
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Posted by Ian on October 15, 1996 at 08:22:24:
: I disagree. I think that Mr. Collins has absolutely no idea of exactly how obnoxious he is, let alone how much Mary is like him. He may look down on Mary, but she isn't so harsh on him (she defends his consolation visit, upon Lydia's elopement, when everyone else is ready to toss him out of the house). It's probable that Mr. COllins, as self-righteous as he is, would be very flattered by Mary's analysis of his intents, and soften towards her. THis is not to say that a marriage between them would be happy, though I'm sure they would be able to moralise it to a state of satisfaction for both - the noble clergyman and his worthy philosopher-wife working together to save men's souls.
: As far as "good society," they'll always have Lady Catherine. That's always been good enough for Mr. COllins.
: - K
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Kali, perhaps you are right. Mary probably has a soft heart under that austere facade. Perhaps the obnoxious Mr Collins in his angst brings out Mary's softer side.
Being such an obnoxious person, I think Mr Collins suddenly has a realisation of how much a hypocrite he is when he meets Mary - or is it that her piety matches his?
And Mr Collins is good enough for Lady C?
Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 09:02:01:
: For those interested in Austen sequels, another one is due out November 1, '96 from St. Martin's Press: Later Days at Highbury/A Novel by Joan Austen-Leigh
: Grace
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Actually there are two coming out at about the same time - one of them has a lesbian theme. I'm pretty tolerant, but I'd rather not give any time to that explotative crap. Isn't there a better way to cashin on the Austen craze?
Amy
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Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 09:04:01:
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: G'day All,
: Aren't Darcy and Lizzy just a little too perfect? Little wonder that they both fall for each other. I suppose it's nice to dream. Ho hum.
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Ian,
Beg to differ, respectfully. On the contrary I think it is their faults that go a long way toward endearing them to us.
Amy
Posted by Grace on October 15, 1996 at 09:52:39:
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: : For those interested in Austen sequels, another one is due out November 1, '96 from St. Martin's Press: Later Days at Highbury/A Novel by Joan Austen-Leigh
: : Grace
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: Actually there are two coming out at about the same time - one of them has a lesbian theme. I'm pretty tolerant, but I'd rather not give any time to that explotative crap. Isn't there a better way to cashin on the Austen craze?
: Amy
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: I hadn't heard about the lesbian-themed book. Needless to say, it won't be in my shopping basket at Amazon.
: Grace
Posted by Paola on October 15, 1996 at 11:04:52:
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: : : : : : Betty,
: : : : : : Allow me to express my gratitude for your kind concern for our personal productivity. I am certain I am joined by all my fellow addicts in wishing you th same measure of kindness and warmth that you have shewn us.
: : : : : : Amy
: : : : : : P.S. What a fine idea to discuss the credits. Thank you again so much!
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: : : : Also, for the second airing (the most recent one) on A&E
: : : : they shamelessly redid the credits so that they could
: : : : promote Emma. I would have prefered it if they kept the
: : : : originals intact.
: : : : Ann
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: : : As to that other, more weighty matter of credits, I can only say that I did wish they allowed the kiss to linger for awhile without the credits.
: : I think that's more egalitarian. And I didn't mind the squished credits for the Emma promo, but if they were going to squish them, they should have given us more. rather like Emma herself.
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: : I also wish the Kiss scene could have been drawn out a little, after all we all waited so long for it to happen.
: : I missed the emma promo! Does it look like it will be as wonderful as P&P?
: : Mich
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: All I know I wish it didn't have to end.
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The kiss scene must be one of my favourites scenes in the whole movie and I too think that it was way too short for my liking.
Paola
PS The credits were perfectly done.
Posted by eva on October 15, 1996 at 11:52:37:
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: : : And yes, Guy Thwaite (Greg Wise) is wonderful.
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: : Wasn't the girl Annabelle the Duchess of Trebenac?
: : Great show - I wished I had taped it
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: Yes, Nan married Julius for his title. Certainly he was kind to her at the beginning, but she was too young to know what marriage into such a family would mean for her. I felt terrible for both of them, because neither were bad folks, but just couldn't fit themselves into such a marriage. What a nightmare - talk about being in over your head!
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fyi, the actress who plays Nan is now starring in the new sit-com "Spin City." She plays Michael J. Fox's live-in girlfriend.
-eva
p.s. is Greg Wise still dating Emma Thompson off-screen?
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Posted by Bernie on October 15, 1996 at 12:08:43:
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: : : : : Betty,
: : : : : Allow me to express my gratitude for your kind concern for our personal productivity. I am certain I am joined by all my fellow addicts in wishing you th same measure of kindness and warmth that you have shewn us.
: : : : : Amy
: : : : : P.S. What a fine idea to discuss the credits. Thank you again so much!
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: : : Also, for the second airing (the most recent one) on A&E
: : : they shamelessly redid the credits so that they could
: : : promote Emma. I would have prefered it if they kept the
: : : originals intact.
: : : Ann
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: : As to that other, more weighty matter of credits, I can only say that I did wish they allowed the kiss to linger for awhile without the credits.
: I think that's more egalitarian. And I didn't mind the squished credits for the Emma promo, but if they were going to squish them, they should have given us more. rather like Emma herself.
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: I also wish the Kiss scene could have been drawn out a little, after all we all waited so long for it to happen.
: I missed the emma promo! Does it look like it will be as wonderful as P&P?
: Mich
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Latest news form over the pond is that Emma will be screened on ITV (not BBC) some time in November. It Stars Kate Beckinsale (Cold Comfort Farm, Much Ado About Nothing) in the title role. Script is written by Andrew Davies and produced by Sue Birtwhistle. It will be two hours long and screened as a "film".
Rumours have it, that the BBC is also adapting Emma, which will be show on British screens sometime in Autumn '97.
Bernie
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Posted by Donna on October 15, 1996 at 12:10:26:
: : However, I still believe he had developed a fondness for :Mrs. B., and that it showed up in his pleasure
: : at seeing her delighted.
: : Tommye
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: I think his pleasure came not from seeing Mrs. Bennet delighted, but from knowing that he had put one over on her again.
Anyone could put one over on Mrs. B. for him to get pleasure from this is very childish don't you think. He must have been very bored at being a gentlemen. Mrs.B. doesn't trust him to do his duty for his daughters. That is why she is a nag.
ciao Donna
: I really do like Mr. Bennet, Tommye, he is great fun to read and watch, but I would not have wanted to be *his* wife (but then he soon realizes that he does not want to be *her* husband. It all works out so nicely, does it not?
: Cheryl
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Posted by Amy on October 15, 1996 at 12:21:10:
: Latest news form over the pond is that Emma will be screened on ITV (not BBC) some time in November. It Stars Kate Beckinsale (Cold Comfort Farm, Much Ado About Nothing) in the title role. Script is written by Andrew Davies and produced by Sue Birtwhistle. It will be two hours long and screened as a "film".
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Oh no. I was aware of everything but the two-hour part. I am bitterly disappointed. Are you absolutely sure. There can be no mistake?
Amy
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Posted by Bernie on October 15, 1996 at 12:27:38:
: : I always like to think the clothes are wedding finery. This brings to mind a point related to finery: Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?! I know it was a simple ceremony in a country church, but I think the costume dept. failed us on this one.
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I recently heard Regency men described as being real peacocks always preening themselves, so I agree that perhaps that Bingley and Darcy should be more lavishly attired, however, I don't think either are vain --Darcy especially-- so I just can't picture him dressed in a lot of frippery. I think that his clothes would be on the plainer side, though obviously they would be crafted from the best quality fabrics and by the most accomplished tailor.
Maybe its just the British reserve ?
Bernie
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Posted by Bernie on October 15, 1996 at 12:28:00:
: : I always like to think the clothes are wedding finery. This brings to mind a point related to finery: Don't you think they could have dressed Bingley and Darcy a little bit better for their own weddings?! I know it was a simple ceremony in a country church, but I think the costume dept. failed us on this one.
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I recently heard Regency men described as being real peacocks always preening themselves, so I agree that perhaps that Bingley and Darcy should be more lavishly attired, however, I don't think either are vain --Darcy especially-- so I just can't picture him dressed in a lot of frippery. I think that his clothes would be on the plainer side, though obviously they would be crafted from the best quality fabrics and by the most accomplished tailor.
Maybe its just the British reserve ?
Bernie
Posted by Bernie on October 15, 1996 at 12:51:12:
: : what was the reaction to Wickham of anyone not knowing the plot before they say P&P2?
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: : Rebecca,
: : I bet you are right. If we didn't know how evil he turned out to be we might have found him more attractive. But I still don't care for the guy's looks, trying hard as I can to be objective.
: : Who do you suppose might have been better? How about the guy who played Mr Denny? How about the guy who played Will Ladislaw in Middlemarch? Rufus Sewell? Or Colin Firth would have been good too. I'd have bought his line along with Lizzy. But that would leave us Darcyless. As so many of us have said so many times, can't picture anybody but Firth in the Darcy role now. Done deal.
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: I agree Firth has done Darcy. However, I do have think Rufus Sewell is very attractive and might have been better. Adrian Lukis is just a little too smarmy.
: Rebecca
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What about Greg Wise (Willoughby in the recent S&S) ? I think he would make a very creditable rake !
Bernie
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Posted by Bernie on October 15, 1996 at 13:05:43:
: : Latest news form over the pond is that Emma will be screened on ITV (not BBC) some time in November. It Stars Kate Beckinsale (Cold Comfort Farm, Much Ado About Nothing) in the title role. Script is written by Andrew Davies and produced by Sue Birtwhistle. It will be two hours long and screened as a "film".
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: Oh no. I was aware of everything but the two-hour part. I am bitterly disappointed. Are you absolutely sure. There can be no mistake?
: Amy
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Amy,
Unfortunately, I positive (sigh). There was an article in The Times, (June I think) where it stated that the ITV adaptation would be 2 hours long (aka. Persuasion). On the slightly more positive side the BBC adaptation should be 6 episodes long -- about the length of P&P 2. This is assuming that the rumours are true of course !!
Bernie
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Posted by Bernie on October 15, 1996 at 13:09:05:
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: fyi, the actress who plays Nan is now starring in the new sit-com "Spin City." She plays Michael J. Fox's live-in girlfriend.
: -eva
: p.s. is Greg Wise still dating Emma Thompson off-screen?
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Apparently so!!
Bernie
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Posted by Laura M on October 15, 1996 at 13:41:21:
I loved the hand thread, but I think you guys definitely scared off Betty. She must of had too much time on her hands to write that post. By the bye, it has to be CFs hands, he has great hands I know firsthand due to my dream last nite. But I won't go there. MOLL FLANDERS was AWESOME. I am in love with Colin Buchanan (Rowland) and Daniel Craig (Jemmy). Laura
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