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Posted by Cheryl on October 13, 1996 at 23:20:26:
: I agree that Mrs. B is "half a bubble off."
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Posted by Cheryl on October 13, 1996 at 23:33:24:
: As to that other, more weighty matter of credits, I can only say that I did wish they allowed the kiss to linger for awhile without the credits. But all good things must come to an end. I liked that the credits at the end of each episode were given in order of appearance. I think that's more egalitarian. And I didn't mind the squished credits for the Emma promo, but if they were going to squish them, they should have given us more. You could barely tell what color Emma's gown was in the snippet. And I think after nearly breaking the pause button on my VCR, I managed to pick out what Mr. Knightley looked like. But all in all, I felt extremely ill-used by A&E's stinginess with the footage.
I am excessively pleased that Betty brought up the topic of credits, for I, too, felt imposed upon by meanness of the Emma footage. I fared worse than Arnessa and could not make out a single face, but then I did not record that showing and so had no pause button to employ. Was Mr. Knightly handsome, Arnessa, did he seem all that Mr. Knightly should be?
Posted by Cheryl on October 13, 1996 at 23:36:34:
I only know the Al Gore version of the macarena.
Posted by Arnessa on October 13, 1996 at 23:38:04:
: Don't you people have anything better to do than scrutinize every
: facet of this movie? I'm glad that there are some intellectuals &
: Austen fans on the net, but is it really necessary to dissect
: the movie so much? For example, "so & so's voice was dubbed when he/she
: said..." "Oh, you noticed that too." Are you going to discuss the
: closing credits next and exactly how the character generator
: produced such lovely lettering? This BB is nice, but please, keep
: things in perspective.
Did anyone ever wonder whose hand it is doing the needlework in the opening credits? It's a very nice hand, but somehow it does not appear to be a woman's hand to me. My favorite idea is that it's Colin Firth's hand. He has very nice hands, if indeed that is his hand (and not a double's) helping Lizzy into the carriage at Pemberley. Maybe they looked at the hands of the entire cast, and just picked the one looked best or maybe they picked the hand with some reason in mind...
-Arnessa (absolutely serious).
Posted by Cheryl on October 13, 1996 at 23:46:33:
Thanks a lot H.C.! I've been singing the Lydia song ALL weekend and am about to go mad!
Posted by Arnessa on October 13, 1996 at 23:56:57:
I agree. Amy's idea is mahhhhhhvelous. At the end of P&P2, I feel so sad for Mr. Bennet, stuck in that house with such a wife as a primary companion.
I even detect some wistfulness in his tone when he responds to Mrs. Bennet's effusion: "Three daughters married! God has been very good to us."
"So it would seem," he says. "So it would seem."
So much for happy endings!
Posted by Donna on October 14, 1996 at 00:01:36:
: : On the other hand, our author does say that Mrs Bennet's "weak understanding and illiberal mind, had very early in their marriage put
: : an end to all real affection for her. . .
: .... he is cynical and (I think) at least a little bit mean to his wife.
: : kathleen
: I have been in a marriage without respect or love. The circumstance can do things to you.
: I adore Mr Bennet and identify with him a lot as so many of us here do. I find it a sad commentary on the times that gentlemen were not supposed to do much. What an empty life he must have had if he was prompted to say something like "What do we live for but to make sport for our neighbors and laugh at them in our turn."
: If JA herself had not the strength of will or drive or whatever impelled her to write, she might well have had the same sad indolent sort of existence. Maybe our sequel ought to find Mr Bennet in a late life crisis that ends in his decision to put his observations of folly into comic novels.
So you don't think that with all of their daughters out of the house that they will have sport with each other instead of the neighbors.
Posted by Arnessa on October 14, 1996 at 00:18:51:
: : : Love the book jacket, Henry. Who would have thought to market NA from that (dubious) angle?
: : : - K
: : ___________________
: : Probably JA herself!
: Indeed, it might well have been; noting that the price was 60 cents, it was certainly a very long time ago! ;-)
: Joan, too
It looks like a Nancy Drew book. I used to love Nancy Drew. I was so pleased that someone else included that in a list of past obsessions. I can see some similarities between Lizzy and Nancy, but not Catherine Morland and Nancy!
Posted by Arnessa on October 14, 1996 at 00:25:48:
: : : This is, admittedly, damning with faint praise, but one can say this about Miss Bingley: she is not as bad as Mrs. Hurst. Miss Bingley at least has the excuse of desperation; Mrs. Hurst is just downright nasty. Miss Bingley says cruel things to make herself look good by making her rival look bad; Mrs. Hurst seems to take genuine and malicious delight in the nastiness, and eggs her sister
: : ___________________
Now, I've always thought Mrs. Hurst was the nicer of the two. She only acquiesces in Caroline's nastiness. She doesn't actually do nasty things herself. Both are rotten to the core, though.
Posted by Candace on October 14, 1996 at 00:40:35:
After reading the below comments regarding the Bennett family made
me think about what I really like about Jane Austin Novels. We all
would like to think that the world is changing -- but it is not.
Everything she wrote about holds true today. What we have here is
the classic disfunctional family. Mother is in denial, Father withdraws,
oldest child a peace maker, and so on... Each has their role to play,
right down to the youngest who is spoiled (although I believe that more
does seem to be wrong with Lydia -- she doesn't at all know right from
wrong -- possibly Mrs. Bennet worried that this one will not be a boy --
maybe drank a little too much -- fetal alcohol syndrome??) Anyway, these
are the similarities of "then and now" that I am impressed with regarding
the family unit.
Posted by Joan, too on October 14, 1996 at 01:44:19:
: : Don't you people have anything better to do than scrutinize every facet of this movie?
: Did anyone ever wonder whose hand it is doing the needlework in the opening credits? It's a very nice hand, but somehow it does not appear to be a woman's hand to me. My favorite idea is that it's Colin Firth's hand. He has very nice hands, if indeed that is his hand (and not a double's) helping Lizzy into the carriage at Pemberley. Maybe they looked at the hands of the entire cast, and just picked the one looked best or maybe they picked the hand with some reason in mind...
: -Arnessa (absolutely serious).
They are probably both "hand double's" hands, though I do agree that the hand that helps Lizzy into the carriage is a very nice one, indeed.
Posted by Joan, too on October 14, 1996 at 02:54:05:
- Kathleen [borrowed from a neighboring thread]:
- Question re Mr C's behavior:
- Just noticed this viewing that Mr C has his suitcase (I assume it's not a briefcase w/ extra sermons!) when he goes w/ Charlotte. Was he supposed to be spending the night at Lucas Lodge? Why? Is this just so the viewer will know that he's going to be in Charlotte's company pretty much full time, or what?
: : Eileen:
: : And what was that look that Charlotte gets right afterwards? It looks like she's got something up her sleeve already. I did not get the impression that Charlotte's intent, if there was ever a very strong one, was too noticeable in the book at that point.
: There is a passage where Charlotte is visiting and all are talking about what has occurred. Mr Collins enters and the girls escape except Lydia who was determined to hear all she could of the conversation between her mother and Mr. Collins (because she thinks this is all "such fun!") and Charlotte who being "detained...by a little curiosity, satisfied herself by walking to the window and *pretending* not to hear."
I think that we can see a glimmer of interest in the matter here in Charlotte.
Actually, there's more than a glimmer in the book. The events get telescoped quite a bit in the film, and it does appear that Mr. C. has been invited by Charlotte both for dinner and to spend the night. In the book there are two additional days given to the flowering of romance between Charlotte and Mr. Collins, and Charlotte was definitely hatching a plan while pretending not to hear. Thereafter her "civility in listening to [Mr. C.] was a seasonable relief to them all and expecially to her friend." And on the following day [Chapter 22]
"Elizabeth took an opportunity of thanking her. 'It keeps him in good humor,' said she, 'and I am more obliged to you than I can express.' Charlotte assured her friend of her satisfaction in being useful, and that it amply repaid her for the little sacrifice of her time. This was very amiable, but Charlotte's kindness extended farther than Elizabeth had any conception of; - its object was nothing less, than to secure her from any return of Mr. Collins's addresses, by engaging them towards herself. Such was Miss Lucas's scheme;
Posted by Martin on October 14, 1996 at 03:05:45:
: So, what got you hooked?
: - K
I think it's the way Austen portrays ordinary people in the
pursuit of romance and other pursuits in the victorian-era,
and of course, her ability to write a good book.
Posted by Joan, too on October 14, 1996 at 03:12:34:
: The Bingleys were not completely unknown -- there is an early report about Bingley's annual income.
Ah, but not before that gentleman himself came to look at Netherfield with an eye toward renting it. That was what generated the first report of him.
: Don't know why the Darcy and De Bourgh names aren't better known, although again Darcy's income is known shortly after he enters the Meryton Assembly (and I can't believe he or any member of their party would have mentioned it).
This is, indeed, more of a mystery on both counts. On the second one must probably suppose that Bingley's servants had loose lips?
Posted by Donna on October 14, 1996 at 03:32:43:
: : Kathleen:
: : The Bingleys were not completely unknown -- there is an early report about Bingley's annual income.
: Ah, but not before that gentleman himself came to look at Netherfield with an eye toward renting it. That was what generated the first report of him.
: : Don't know why the Darcy and De Bourgh names aren't better known, although again Darcy's income is known shortly after he enters the Meryton Assembly (and I can't believe he or any member of their party would have mentioned it).
: This is, indeed, more of a mystery on both counts. On the second one must probably suppose that Bingley's servants had loose lips?
: Joan, too
I was told that the servants didn't gossip. What I said they related information.
Posted by Amy on October 14, 1996 at 06:57:41:
JA doesn't talk a lot about servants but they do get brought into most of hte stories in a small way. Mrs Reynolds in P&P gives some important perspectivie info.
In S&S the Dashwood's man servant tells of Miss Lucy's marriage to Mr Ferrars.
In Persuastion we learn that Mr Eliot is the Mr Eliot because his traveling man has bragged to the inn help that his boss will become a baronet.
I bet a lot of bragging went on in the same way that office workers sometimes inflate their own importance by relating details of how important their bosses are.
Posted by Amy on October 14, 1996 at 07:27:45:
: They are probably both "hand double's" hands, though I do agree that the hand that helps Lizzy into the carriage is a very nice one, indeed.
: Joan, too
I knew a young woman model who always took care to keep one hand perfectly groomed for what she called (forgive me ladies) "hand jobs."
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on October 14, 1996 at 09:06:25:
: : : Amy - ALMOST perfect. In the spirit of the man, don't we need the perfect illustration....
: : Well, yes.
A pelisse is a kind of raincoat thingie (also for added warmth) that you wear over your dress...
: I was just suggesting a sort of singing And waltzing hippo picture.
Hey, the hippopotamus was doing the Polka. How could you make such an error???
Posted by Grace on October 14, 1996 at 09:56:05:
: Hey, the hippopotamus was doing the Polka. How could you make such an error???
: Henry, oh Henry,
So welcome is your entry!
When from you we didn't hear
All of us began to fear
That, perhaps, you'd been offended
And your patronage
To us had ended.
Posted by Linda on October 14, 1996 at 10:51:10:
Last night, I saw a part of Hostages on the History channel. It is a movie
about those held hostage in Lebanon in the late 80's and starred
Colin Firth as John McCarthy. It airs again on 10/26, 8pm. 12am, 4am.
At the end, when he's released, he has a big, beautiful smile on his face.
Too bad Darcy didn't smile more.
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