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Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 08:02:37:
... so I thought I would pass it along. (Had to look up iniquitous.)
Online Webster Dictionary. Link below. Anyone know if the Oxford Dictionary is available on the web for free and for anyone? Seems like I looked for it a few times and had trouble getting in.
Amy
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Posted by Kimberley on October 12, 1996 at 08:03:58:
While under the weather this past August I indulged my love of England and of movies in general by renting Pride & Prejudice. Little did I know what I awesome force I was unleashing. A six hour film became two months of reading and re-reading P&P! My English relations, visiting in September for my sister's wedding, faced a barrage of questions: What is Michaelmas? Was the movie shot at Chatsworth House? Has the reputations of these actors increased as a result of such fabulous acting? How did the ever-critical British public (in general they have high standards)react to yet another version of their Ms. Austen?
I am rambling I know but please forgive me, I though I was alone in my addiction and thus I have much to unleash!!
Through them I learned that the movie was not in fact filmed at Chatsworth House. (Unfortunate because those "in the know" believe this was Ms. Austen's "Pemberley"). "Michaelmas" is the "Feast of Michael". (Traditionally celebrated between September 29 and October 01) Yes, the reputations of the actors in question have been heightened; and yes, this A&E/BBC version was quite well received. And, those who have studied Jane Austen, believe the character of Elizabeth to be most like Jane Austen.
My relations actually live in Derbyshire and on my last visit to England took me to Chatsworth House. My captivation with P&P started here. Lambton, Dove Dale, The Peaks and all of Derbyshire do indeed, represent some of the most beautiful land in the country.
I have not had the opportunity to view P&P in several weeks and I am suffering the effets of withdrawl. This Friday (Oct. 18), however, the "guys" are taking my fiance out for his stag, and I have made excuses to all of my friends and relations so that I may stay home and watch P&P in peace and quiet!
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Posted by Ann2 on October 12, 1996 at 08:09:57:
About how almost every sentence is full of meaning.
Jane Austen:The snub:"She is not handsome enough to tempt me".
Oh my, was Darcy going to hear those words echoing in his head during those
month of yearning that were to follow. She would become one of the handsomest
women of his acquaintance and as fot temptation...he was to struggle in vain
...suffering from ardent love.
Script P&P2:A marvelous feeling for the Austen touch in "The very rich can
afford to give offence...we need not care for his good opinion".
Oh yes Lizzy, that is exactly what you are going to do. In fact Mr Darcy`s opinions
are to be of significant importance to both yourself and your sister.
Ann2
Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 08:30:06:
Welcome, Kimberley. How nice you feel some relief.
What family is associated with Chatsworth? I have not been so fortunate as some of you who have spent a lot of time in England. Only been there twice -- never for longer than 8 weeks. The only great house I saw was Blenheim. Would Pemberley have been so grand, do you think?
Amy
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Posted by Grace on October 12, 1996 at 08:39:11:
: There's always Georgiana and her 30,000 pounds!
: Ann
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: Ann, I don't think the Colonel would be considered a good enough match for Georgiana. He has no estate.
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Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 08:51:28:
: : There's always Georgiana and her 30,000 pounds!
: : Ann
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: Ann, I don't think the Colonel would be considered a good enough match for Georgiana. He has no estate.
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There was some speculation on the Austen-L list a while back about him carrying on an affair with Charlotte.
I'd like something nice to happen for the Colonel. In a way, he is like Lizzy: so deserving but with handicaps. Borrowing a page from Arnessa's sequel plot, what about Kitty and Fitzwilliam?
Amy
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Posted by Betty on October 12, 1996 at 11:32:04:
Don't you people have anything better to do than scrutinize every
facet of this movie? I'm glad that there are some intellectuals &
Austen fans on the net, but is it really necessary to dissect
the movie so much? For example, "so & so's voice was dubbed when he/she
said..." "Oh, you noticed that too." Are you going to discuss the
closing credits next and exactly how the character generator
produced such lovely lettering? This BB is nice, but please, keep
things in perspective.
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Posted by jp on October 12, 1996 at 11:37:04:
Have any of you seen The Buccaneers on PBS? Some of you P&P, GGables
etc. fans might like it. How about the scene where two of the main
characters (I don't remember their names) run off in the carriage
together? Anyone seen it?
jp
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Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 11:52:02:
Betty,
Allow me to express my gratitude for your kind concern for our personal productivity. I am certain I am joined by all my fellow addicts in wishing you th same measure of kindness and warmth that you have shewn us.
Amy
P.S. What a fine idea to discuss the credits. Thank you again so much!
Posted by Grace on October 12, 1996 at 12:00:40:
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: : : There's always Georgiana and her 30,000 pounds!
: : : Ann
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: : ___________________
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: : Ann, I don't think the Colonel would be considered a good enough match for Georgiana. He has no estate.
: ___________________
: There was some speculation on the Austen-L list a while back about him carrying on an affair with Charlotte.
: I'd like something nice to happen for the Colonel. In a way, he is like Lizzy: so deserving but with handicaps. Borrowing a page from Arnessa's sequel plot, what about Kitty and Fitzwilliam?
: Amy
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: Amy, remember how duty-bound the Colonel feels. On his walk with Lizzy he tells her that the youngest son of an Earl cannot marry where he chooses, hinting to Lizzy that this is what prevents him from pursuing his interest in her. Kitty would be out of the question.
I agree that he ultimately deserves a happy life. How about having him married to Anne, travelling to Pemberley often, and secretly fighting his intense attraction to Georgiana (who is growing in grace, beauty and wisdom - but is too shy for her virtue to be apparent outside the intimate family group in which the Colonel is included)????? When Anne passes away (to the great Rosings in the sky)after the death of the de Bourgh heir, the Colonel once again turns to the Darcys for solace. His guilt over his treatment of Anne haunts him.He refuses to let himself think that he could ever deserve Georgiana's love, much less get her to see him as anything but a benevolent guardian.He watches in silence as Georgiana is courted by other men, not knowing that she looks on these suitors only to realize that the Colonel himself is the best of men. (Kind of a Knightley/Emma-ish thing). Of course, when their love is eventually revealed, the family is overjoyed at the match. The heir has a mother, the beloved Colonel is finally to be happy, Georgiana marries for love (assured that she is not sought only for her$$$) and Rosings stays in the family. Okay with you, Amy?
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Posted by Grace on October 12, 1996 at 12:09:43:
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: : : : There's always Georgiana and her 30,000 pounds!
: : : : Ann
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: : : ___________________
: : :
: : : Ann, I don't think the Colonel would be considered a good enough match for Georgiana. He has no estate.
: : ___________________
: : There was some speculation on the Austen-L list a while back about him carrying on an affair with Charlotte.
: : I'd like something nice to happen for the Colonel. In a way, he is like Lizzy: so deserving but with handicaps. Borrowing a page from Arnessa's sequel plot, what about Kitty and Fitzwilliam?
: : Amy
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: ___________________
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: : Amy, remember how duty-bound the Colonel feels. On his walk with Lizzy he tells her that the youngest son of an Earl cannot marry where he chooses, hinting to Lizzy that this is what prevents him from pursuing his interest in her. Kitty would be out of the question.
: I agree that he ultimately deserves a happy life. How about having him married to Anne, travelling to Pemberley often, and secretly fighting his intense attraction to Georgiana (who is growing in grace, beauty and wisdom - but is too shy for her virtue to be apparent outside the intimate family group in which the Colonel is included)????? When Anne passes away (to the great Rosings in the sky)after the death of the de Bourgh heir, the Colonel once again turns to the Darcys for solace. His guilt over his treatment of Anne haunts him.He refuses to let himself think that he could ever deserve Georgiana's love, much less get her to see him as anything but a benevolent guardian.He watches in silence as Georgiana is courted by other men, not knowing that she looks on these suitors only to realize that the Colonel himself is the best of men. (Kind of a Knightley/Emma-ish thing). Of course, when their love is eventually revealed, the family is overjoyed at the match. The heir has a mother, the beloved Colonel is finally to be happy, Georgiana marries for love (assured that she is not sought only for her$$$) and Rosings stays in the family. Okay with you, Amy?
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: I mean Anne passes away after the BIRTH of the de Bourgh heir. We can't have the child dying. Grace
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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on October 12, 1996 at 12:29:03:
: Only been in England twice -- never for longer than 8 weeks. The only great house I saw was Blenheim. Would Pemberley have been so grand, do you think?
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Blenheim is actually famous for being a grand monstrosity plopped into the middle of the English countryside -- NOTHING is like Blenheim, so Pemberley wouldn't have been like Blemheim.
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Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 12:30:43:
the beloved Colonel is finally to be happy, Georgiana marries for love (assured that she is not sought only for her$$$) and Rosings stays in the family. Okay with you, Amy?
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You have my blessing though you know you do not need it.
But, oh dear, I fear you may have started something dreadful, for when one considers the whole vast realm of second marriages the speculation possibilities are almost endless.
Amy
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Posted by Grace on October 12, 1996 at 12:31:21:
: : Cheryl said she likes Scott Bakula and Ann2 wondered about Mr & Mrs Smith. So let's do talk about this wonderfully interesting type of man-woman interaction.
: : Can anyone think of other examples in literature, film or TV? Northern Exposure is one I forgot. Also some of the old Howard Hawks screwball comedies.
: : Do any of you know how classic the theme is? Does it occur in Greek drama or folk stories?
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: One of my old favorites: Remington Steele is another example.
: Ann
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: Would some of the old Doris Day/Rock Hudson movies fall
into that category (Pillow Talk was one, and I remember some other one about the VIP girl/dueling ad executives)? Then there is Harry when he first meets Sally. What about Taming of the Shrew? (I have been in a two-hour lecture on the moral development of children - can you tell that I now need mindless diversions????!!!) Grace
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Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 12:48:39:
: : Would some of the old Doris Day/Rock Hudson movies ___________________
Yeah. Also the only Doris movie I like: Teacher's Pet with Clark Gable. Only, the dissonance can really be felt only in her character.
It represents a variant different from the P&P flavor of the theme: stories in which the woman is "above" the guy, socially or in this case by education. Another example: another newspaper picture in which Kate Hepburn and Spencer Tracy both write for the same paper? Which one was that?
Amy
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Posted by Grace on October 12, 1996 at 12:57:11:
: the beloved Colonel is finally to be happy, Georgiana marries for love (assured that she is not sought only for her$$$) and Rosings stays in the family. Okay with you, Amy?
: ___________________
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: You have my blessing though you know you do not need it.
: But, oh dear, I fear you may have started something dreadful, for when one considers the whole vast realm of second marriages the speculation possibilities are almost endless.
: Amy
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: Rest easy, Amy. Jane Austen granted vigorous good health to ALMOST all of her characters. Kitty has her cough, but I'm sure it is mostly a nervous habit that will pass as soon as she is away from Mother. As to Darcy's unhealthful habit of walking around in wet clothing, I'm sure Elizabeth will soon cure him of it (after all, they can't risk exciting the peasantry). Finally, I must admit that I have always looked for Mr. Collins to have an allergy to bee stings. No amount of reading between the lines, however, has given me evidence that this was Jane's intention. Grace
Posted by Grace on October 12, 1996 at 13:11:03:
: : : Would some of the old Doris Day/Rock Hudson movies ___________________
: Yeah. Also the only Doris movie I like: Teacher's Pet with Clark Gable. Only, the dissonance can really be felt only in her character.
: It represents a variant different from the P&P flavor of the theme: stories in which the woman is "above" the guy, socially or in this case by education. Another example: another newspaper picture in which Kate Hepburn and Spencer Tracy both write for the same paper? Which one was that?
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: Amy
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: I know the Hepburn/Spencer movie but can't think of the name. Teacher's Pet is one I've never seen, but the mention of Clark Gable reminds me of Gone With the Wind - another perfect example. Then there is Pretty Woman and Crossing Delancey - both have some themes of attraction/repulsion - and even stronger themes of pride and prejudice.
Grace
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