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Posted by Anne on October 11, 1996 at 19:58:57:
: I'm a little confused here. Some of you have spoken about P&P1 but the actual production dates seem to have stumped me. I believe this production (the one with Elizabeth Garvie as Lizzy and David Rintoul as Darcy) was made in 1985 although some of you claim to have seen it in the late 70's and early 80's!! To clear things up, was there another P&P production made besides P&P0, P&P1 and P&P2?
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The version listed as 1985 was actually released in 1979 or
1980 -- this is the vrsion that we refer to as P&P1.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 11, 1996 at 20:15:08:
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And it was not a likable character at all.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 11, 1996 at 20:19:06:
Well, dear friends, I am off for a week at the beach. I am
*really* ready for a break. However, it breaks my heart to miss
this interchange for that long. Amy - I will eMail you when I
return and take you up on the offer of sending the threads to
read offline. When I get back I also want to practice a little
and will be glad to help you with managing this beast.
Anne
Posted by Joan, too on October 11, 1996 at 20:24:15:
: Grace:
: Could we talk a bit about poor Colonel Fitzwilliam? (Stop me if you have already gone over this one.) Darcy has found his happiness but I fear that the Colonel is now left to marry Miss de Bourgh ( a fate worse than death, especially when you consider life at Rosings with such a tyrannical mother-in-law). I see the married Colonel constantly drawn to Pemberley to 1.escape the oppressive conditions at home, 2.find male companionship other than Mr. Collins,3. bask in the domestic bliss enjoyed by Darcy and Elizabeth.
Family duty and the need for money make this marriage inevitable. Am I wrong???
A few days ago there were some who were trying to marry the poor Colonel off to Caroline Bingley, but this is an equally appalling thought!
Joan, too
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Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 11, 1996 at 20:25:59:
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: : Think about how mrs Bennet must have fussed around.
: : : And still worse think about what she would have said or trying to say to Lizzy and
: : : Jane about their marital duties (weddingnight) Horrors!!!!!!
: : : We can only hope that maybe mrs Gardiner had a word with them about such things.
: : : Anna-Karin
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: : I like the idea of Mrs. Gardiner having a "serious" talk w/ Jane and Lizzie before the wedding.
: : It's much better than thinking about how Mrs. Bennet would have explained it. (Of course, Lydia
: : may have tried to tell her sisters all about the joys of "marital duties" before she & Wickham left
: : to join his regiment.)
: : kathleen
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: Now that we are on the subject and established that of course Lizzy would need "The Talk" about the wedding night --
: What about Darcy? He obviously was quite upset at Wickham when he had that little "Floozy" in his room. Was he indeed
: also inexpirianced? In the 19th Century did nice boys do? If so who with?
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I think that Darcy had higher morals than most young men of his class and time.But I think his
dissaproval of Wickham does not come from that he
one time had found him with a girl at university but from seing Wickham probably going after any woman he could get at and maybe also ruining some of them. Remember after Lydia and Wickham runs away. Gossip in Meryton tells about that Wickham
had had intigues going on in several places.
As young men in those days wee allowed to do a great deal one can assume that Wickhams morals was inded wery bad even to chock people then.
Nice boys at that time probably often went to prostitutes (there were many of them) Servant girls and other girls of lowere social standing
often had to give in voluntarely or involuntarely
to young men of the upper class.
As for Darcy I think he had higher morals than most young men of his time.
But as young rich very handsome I have hard to think him totally innocent at the age of 28.
But I certainly do not think he went to the prostitutes of London with his high moral and fastidious nature.His remarks at Lucas Lodge on the very great pleasure a pair of fine eyes in
the face of a pretty woman .
and more his rather checky remark at Nethfield
about admiring miss Bingley and Lizzys figures maybe suggests that he was not wholly unexperienced.
(Or is my dirty mind going again?)
Anna-Karin
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Posted by kathleen on October 11, 1996 at 20:55:17:
: : Grace:
: : Could we talk a bit about poor Colonel Fitzwilliam? (Stop me if you have already gone over this one.) Darcy has found his happiness but I fear that the Colonel is now left to marry Miss de Bourgh ( a fate worse than death, especially when you consider life at Rosings with such a tyrannical mother-in-law). I see the married Colonel constantly drawn to Pemberley to 1.escape the oppressive conditions at home, 2.find male companionship other than Mr. Collins,3. bask in the domestic bliss enjoyed by Darcy and Elizabeth.
: Family duty and the need for money make this marriage inevitable. Am I wrong???
: A few days ago there were some who were trying to marry the poor Colonel off to Caroline Bingley, but this is an equally appalling thought!
: Joan, too
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Appalling, indeed!
A few thoughts on the subject:
Colonel Fitzwilliam may still have parents and/or an older brother alive who already have a wife picked out for him.
If the Colonel attended Darcy & Elizabeth's wedding (yes, I know he was there in the movie), then Lady C would be angry at him for approving such a dreadful match.
Even if Col. F married Miss De Bourgh, we could always hope for widowerhood -- possibly a wealthy widower?
kathleen
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Posted by Lilian on October 11, 1996 at 21:39:13:
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: : : Grace:
: : : Could we talk a bit about poor Colonel Fitzwilliam? (Stop me if you have already gone over this one.) Darcy has found his happiness but I fear that the Colonel is now left to marry Miss de Bourgh ( a fate worse than death, especially when you consider life at Rosings with such a tyrannical mother-in-law). I see the married Colonel constantly drawn to Pemberley to 1.escape the oppressive conditions at home, 2.find male companionship other than Mr. Collins,3. bask in the domestic bliss enjoyed by Darcy and Elizabeth.
: : Family duty and the need for money make this marriage inevitable. Am I wrong???
: : A few days ago there were some who were trying to marry the poor Colonel off to Caroline Bingley, but this is an equally appalling thought!
: : Joan, too
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: Appalling, indeed!
: A few thoughts on the subject:
: Colonel Fitzwilliam may still have parents and/or an older brother alive who already have a wife picked out for him.
: If the Colonel attended Darcy & Elizabeth's wedding (yes, I know he was there in the movie), then Lady C would be angry at him for approving such a dreadful match.
: Even if Col. F married Miss De Bourgh, we could always hope for widowerhood -- possibly a wealthy widower?
: kathleen
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I always imagined Miss De Bough living as a spinster. She just seemed too delicate and weak for marriage. I think that Colonel Fitzwilliam will find happiness in marriage. I'm hoping that Miss Bingley will smarten up.
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Posted by Grace on October 11, 1996 at 21:59:19:
: :
: : : : Grace:
: : : : Could we talk a bit about poor Colonel Fitzwilliam? (Stop me if you have already gone over this one.) Darcy has found his happiness but I fear that the Colonel is now left to marry Miss de Bourgh ( a fate worse than death, especially when you consider life at Rosings with such a tyrannical mother-in-law). I see the married Colonel constantly drawn to Pemberley to 1.escape the oppressive conditions at home, 2.find male companionship other than Mr. Collins,3. bask in the domestic bliss enjoyed by Darcy and Elizabeth.
: : : Family duty and the need for money make this marriage inevitable. Am I wrong???
: : : A few days ago there were some who were trying to marry the poor Colonel off to Caroline Bingley, but this is an equally appalling thought!
: : : Joan, too
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: : Appalling, indeed!
: With all that money and Rosings at stake, Anne will never wind up a spinster. What's more, Lady Catherine would not allow it. No, I fear the Colonel's fate is sealed... but then, many women did die in childbirth. Anne could miraculously produce a healthy son only to.......
Grace
: : A few thoughts on the subject:
: : Colonel Fitzwilliam may still have parents and/or an older brother alive who already have a wife picked out for him.
: : If the Colonel attended Darcy & Elizabeth's wedding (yes, I know he was there in the movie), then Lady C would be angry at him for approving such a dreadful match.
: : Even if Col. F married Miss De Bourgh, we could always hope for widowerhood -- possibly a wealthy widower?
: : kathleen
:
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: I always imagined Miss De Bough living as a spinster. She just seemed too delicate and weak for marriage. I think that Colonel Fitzwilliam will find happiness in marriage. I'm hoping that Miss Bingley will smarten up.
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Posted by Roxi on October 11, 1996 at 22:00:40:
Where would one obtain a copy of P&P 1?
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Posted by Amy on October 11, 1996 at 22:24:13:
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: And it was not a likable character at all.
: Anne
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Eeeiuo. [shudder] I get the creeps just thinking about him showing those pictures to the young Catholic woman.
Posted by Ann on October 11, 1996 at 23:22:51:
There's always Georgiana and her 30,000 pounds!
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 11, 1996 at 23:25:04:
: : I'm a little confused here. Some of you have spoken about P&P1 but the actual production dates seem to have stumped me. I believe this production (the one with Elizabeth Garvie as Lizzy and David Rintoul as Darcy) was made in 1985 although some of you claim to have seen it in the late 70's and early 80's!! To clear things up, was there another P&P production made besides P&P0, P&P1 and P&P2?
:
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:
: The version listed as 1985 was actually released in 1979 or
: 1980 -- this is the vrsion that we refer to as P&P1.
: Anne
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I believe the copywrite on P&P1 is 1980.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 11, 1996 at 23:36:31:
: Cheryl said she likes Scott Bakula and Ann2 wondered about Mr & Mrs Smith. So let's do talk about this wonderfully interesting type of man-woman interaction.
: Can anyone think of other examples in literature, film or TV? Northern Exposure is one I forgot. Also some of the old Howard Hawks screwball comedies.
: Do any of you know how classic the theme is? Does it occur in Greek drama or folk stories?
: Amy
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One of my old favorites: Remington Steele is another example.
Ann
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Posted by Cheryl on October 12, 1996 at 00:22:48:
: There's always Georgiana and her 30,000 pounds!
: Ann
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Ann, you gave me the willies! Her cousin and guardian! Too close to incest for me. Was anyone else bothered by Fanny and Edmund (first cousins) marrying in Mansfield Park? I know this is just my modern sensibilities coming to bear, and that this was quite common then, but still...perhaps this helps to explain the current plight of the English Royal Family- too much inbreeding.
Cheryl
Posted by Cheryl on October 12, 1996 at 00:38:21:
Boy, has it been slow going around here! Looking at the administration link (where you can see messages posted by date or author, just click on the green smudge in the lower right hand corner) we find the following:
10/8 113 messages posted
10/9 132
10/10 59
10/11 53
I think we have exhausted all the read & view week one material and are biding our time for week two to start, I know I am. Which leads me to this question: when we are done with these six weeks and have thoroughly hashed out every scene and paragraph, will we have anything left to say about P&P2? We will be "cured"? I don't think so, but perhaps we will go back to the usual (lower) number of postings before we started the read & view. I'm sure Amy hasn't minded the slower traffic- gives her a chance to catch her breath and get ready for the next onslaught. Only one more day until we can pick apart the Netherfield Ball! Can I hold out?!
Cheryl
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Posted by Joan, too on October 12, 1996 at 01:29:21:
: Cheryl
: Boy, has it been slow going around here! Looking at the administration link (where you can see messages posted by date or author, just click on the green smudge in the lower right hand corner) we find the following:
: 10/8 113 messages posted
: 10/9 132
: 10/10 59
: 10/11 53
: I think we have exhausted all the read & view week one material and are biding our time for week two to start... [snip]
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Probably in part, but discussions such as these also tend to be at least somewhat self-limiting. When the volume gets up so high that just reading what's there takes more time than people have available, participants start dropping back into "lurking" mode, and postings tend to fall off till the volume returns to a more manageable level.
Joan, too
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Posted by Ann2 on October 12, 1996 at 02:28:46:
r
: Ann2 asked:
: :: Amy, why do I from time to time get the feeling that you think we are sinking to deep into addiction?
: I don't know. Why do you get that feeling? ; ] You mean the eye of the beholder and so forth... and though I hate to admit it some language trouble might be the cause to.
:
: :: IS there such a thing as a show on Mr&Mrs Smith? Sounds terribly intresting, why donīt you tell us more about it?
: It's not based on the old movie so far as I know. I don't know if you got Quantum Leap in Sweden or not, but M&M Smith stars its star. Corporate spies are made partners who sometimes have to pretend they are married. They bicker. He's a little more obviously attracted to her than she is to him (the P&P variant of this theme?). Their backgrounds are secrets from each other. Fourth episode airs tonight on CBS.
: Amy
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There, you see *I* thought (stress like Bingley at music night) that you were just kidding making the names up and trying to interest us in anything else. But now that you have told me I would dearly like to watch but wonīt be able. I am so far off...
I have ordered P&P1 for comfort and The Ruth Rendell mysteries are on, so maybe Master of the Moor will come up.
Is it any good, is *he* attractive in that one (Darcy or Westward?).In vain am I trying to reach you by e-mail but it shall be done. I wonīt give up.
Best w Ann2
Posted by kathleen on October 12, 1996 at 06:33:11:
: Where would one obtain a copy of P&P 1?
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Critics' Choice Video has it for $24.95. Their phone # is 1-800-367-7765.
Enjoy.
kathleen
Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 07:18:38:
: : Cheryl
: : Boy, has it been slow going around here! Looking at the administration link (where you can see messages posted by date or author, just click on the green smudge in the lower right hand corner) we find the following:
: : 10/8 113 messages posted
: : 10/9 132
: : 10/10 59
: : 10/11 53
: : I think we have exhausted all the read & view week one material and are biding our time for week two to start... [snip]
:
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: Probably in part, but discussions such as these also tend to be at least somewhat self-limiting. When the volume gets up so high that just reading what's there takes more time than people have available, participants start dropping back into "lurking" mode, and postings tend to fall off till the volume returns to a more manageable level.
: Joan, too
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You both may be right. Hits have been a little more stable than number of messages:
| Date | Messages | Hits |
| 10/8 | 113 | 446 |
| 10/9 | 132 | 500 |
| 10/10 | 59 | 329 |
| 10/11 | 53 | 325 |
For those of you interested in such things, weekly hits are still climbing: 2,330 this week (our group's 10th full week) with a day to go; 2,223 last week; 1,664 the week before; 1,194 the week before that. Total hits to the first page now stand at 11,882.
I won't bore you guys with these figures unless somebody asks about them.
Amy
Posted by Amy on October 12, 1996 at 07:52:12:
For anyone who wants to read chapters 13 through 20 with us and can't get hold of a book, here's the link to Chapter 13 on the Jane Austen info page. Picture also from that site (only four sisters).
Time for Mr Collins! Any reader of Austen-L remember the name and author, publisher and availability of the new book on Mr Collins and the other jerks?
Amy
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