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Posted by Cheryl on October 10, 1996 at 11:09:52:
: Since it is said that the ball at Netherfield was on a Thuesday november the 26th.
: : and November the 26Th was a Thuesday in 1811.
: : So maybe we can think thatthe wedding was in late 1812.
: I'm impressed - how did you know it was a Thursday?
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Almanacs and perpetual calendars are wonderful things, my dear. But most likely Anna-karin's edition of P&P has a chronlolgy appendix in the back of the book, as does mine, where someone else has already done the research for us.
Cheryl
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Posted by Steve on October 10, 1996 at 11:14:01:
Lilian lamented:
: This is sooo sad but I know a few guys who enjoyed these books but they are the 90's version of Mr Collins.
: *SHOCK HORROR*!!! (even just as bad!)
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[I apologize in advance for the veiled political reference; imitation should not be confused for flattery in this instance.]
Lilian, I know myself. I've worked with myself now for 42 years, both in my profession and socially. I am proud to say that I am my friend. And, ma'am, I am no Mr. Collins.
:)
Since I took some flak for my apparent 'attitude' in my bio, I would like to provide an update as rebuttal.
Within the past month, a woman I've known for perhaps nine months time now and I have grown exceedingly fond of each other's company. We have, on many occasions of quiet reflection, engaged each other most amusingly in discussions regarding our Myers-Briggs personality preferences. And I have regaled her with references to even this list, and these snippets of converse, relating to that most noble and entertaining diversion for whom some of (you) so readily and quite contentedly admit your fond afflictions and addiction. And romance has roust its head at every turn, so it seems, as this unlikely affair first developed, then blossomed, then fully burst in bloom. But alas, my endeavor seems quite the opposite of that stated along this thread - my 'real deal' has expressed not one whit of interest of P&P, or any such televised amusement, or any such novel of ideas or romance or conceit. However, considering all things which this lovely and most real apparition brings to my affairs now, (and most humbly I admit, I to hers) I believe I shall easily overlook this minor, and perhaps temporary, transgression.
May I then encourage you who read this to, rather than pine for those persons and that behavior which is lacking in your observations and experiences, appreciate and laud and encourage that behavior which does indeed strike your fancy and merit your amusement.
Steve
"When what's missing becomes so present, what's present goes unnoticed."
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Posted by Cheryl on October 10, 1996 at 11:21:30:
: Doesn't JA mention that Bingley brought his 5 sisters to Netherfield. JA just mentions them once, and then they disappear.
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But this number was mentioned in passing only as part of the rumor mill when Bingley had yet to arrive at the dance and people were speculating about him:
"A report soon followed that Mr. Bingley was to bring 12 ladies and seven gentlemen with him to the assembly. The girls grieved over such a number of ladies; but were comforted the day before the ball by hearing, that instead of 12, he had brought only six with him from London, his five sister and a cousin. And when the party entered the assembly room, it consisted of only five altogether; Mr. Bingley, his two sisters, the husband of the eldest, and another young man."
Cheryl
Posted by Linda on October 10, 1996 at 11:49:03:
P&P2 fans living in Canada might like to know that the French language
network (SRC) is currently broadcasting our favorite series in French on
Wednesday nights at 9:00. Last night was episode 3.
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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on October 10, 1996 at 11:53:50:
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- Henry Tilney:
- "The person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel, must be intolerably stupid."
: : Right. Now the problem is getting the smart ones hooked in the first place, as not every man is as liberal-minded as Mr. Tilney. ;)
: : - K
: ltes hear from the so-called Henry churchyard now
I read at least part of P&P when I first started getting interested in literary stuff (freshman year of college), but I didn't start getting seriously interested in Austen until I read Northanger Abbey a few years later, and I didn't finish all six of Jane Austen's novels until 1994, actually...
P.S. Don't be ashamed of your name ("Oh Lydia oh Lydia, that Encyclopiddia, Lydia the tat-tooed Lady -- you can learn a lot from Lydia!").
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Posted by Amy on October 10, 1996 at 12:24:05:
I'm confused. What is this thread now about. Lydia?
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Posted by Henry Churchyard on October 10, 1996 at 12:32:07:
: : : : : : I have every musical piece named in the margin.The spoken lines that are identical in Austens text, or the corresponding text that has been transformed to spoken lines are underlined in green. Everything that has to do with Darcy is underlined in red. The oxford edition by Chapman has a dating for the events in the novel. And I have tried to complement that and every day is noted in the margin.
: : : : : : Ann2
Umm... aren't we a _leetle_ bit obsessive here? 
-- Doeesn't seem like the support group has helped you very much yet
: Henry, help us out would you? Isn't your text based on the Chapman edition? Did you use his dates for your chronology?
: Amy
The text itself is far from a simple scanning in of Chapman's edition, but the Chronology file is based on Chapman and MacKinnon's chronology, yes.
Ann2 is right, Mr. Bennet's call on Bingley and Bingley's return visit take place sometime between September 29 and mid-October, but I don't think they can be dated exactly....
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Posted by Mary H on October 10, 1996 at 12:37:23:
: A copy of the email is linked below for Ann2 (who has also expressed an interest in helping) and for anybody else who either wants to help, wants to see what HTML is all about, or wants to find out more about how I (attempt to ) manage this growing-out-of-control thing.
: Amy
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Hello, Amy
I just tried to follow the instructions on html. I got as far as #4 and then I couldn't figure out how to delete things. I use Netscape 3.0 on a PC. I could see the codes if I clicked on View Document Source, but I couldn't change or edit them. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks,
Mary H
Posted by Ann on October 10, 1996 at 13:08:49:
: Since it is said that the ball at Netherfield was on a Thuesday november the 26th.
: : and November the 26Th was a Thuesday in 1811.
: : So maybe we can think thatthe wedding was in late 1812.
: I'm impressed - how did you know it was a Thursday?
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The text mentions that the sisters were rained in all
weekend and only the thought of a ball on Tuesday could keep
them in tolerably good spirits.
Ann
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on October 10, 1996 at 13:09:10:
: I'm confused. What is this thread now about. Lydia?
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The person whose message I was replying to signed herself as "Lydia, Unfortunately" (surely you know the old song... "and her tor-so even more so! -- oh Lydia oh Lydia...").
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Posted by Annie on October 10, 1996 at 13:20:48:
: : I'm confused. What is this thread now about. Lydia?
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The person whose message I was replying to signed herself as "Lydia, Unfortunately" (surely you know the old song... "and her tor-so even more so! -- oh Lydia oh Lydia...").
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I think I know the song he's referring to. Wasn't that the song the character of Dinah Lord sang in "The Philadelphia Story" ?
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Posted by Lori T. on October 10, 1996 at 13:25:27:
: The link below will take you to the A&E Homepage. I think that you have to go into the store and can access the P&P page from there.
Sorry, I went and checked and you go into specials to access P&P2. The link below should take you right there!
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Posted by Ann on October 10, 1996 at 13:29:08:
: : Yes, but my grandmother (born in Greece) is named Athena!
: : Ann
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: Ann, you're Greek? Cool, so am I (my full name is Kaliopi). Actually, Athena and her brother Hephaistos actually did sort of have a child - Erechthonius. She didn't give birth to Erechthonius, but she did raise him...
: - K
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Actually, no. My mother's family is from Greece, but they
are ethnic Macedonians (a slavic nationality). I'm also 1/4
German and 1/4 Finnish.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 10, 1996 at 13:38:29:
: I think I know the song he's referring to. Wasn't that the song the character of Dinah Lord sang in "The Philadelphia Story" ?
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*Excellent film* One of my all time favorites, I believe you are right.
Lydia, Oh Lydia,
Oh, have you met Lydia,
Oh, Lydia the tatoo lady!
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 10, 1996 at 13:39:41:
: I think I know the song he's referring to. Wasn't that the song the character of Dinah Lord sang in "The Philadelphia Story" ?
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*Excellent film* One of my all time favorites, and I believe
you are right.
Lydia, Oh Lydia,
Oh, have you met Lydia,
Oh, Lydia the tatoo lady!
I have been wondering how long it would be before someone
mentioned that song!
Ann
Posted by Dina on October 10, 1996 at 13:49:05:
: : In P&P2 we have both Lizzy and Jane getting married on the same day and in the same church.
: : Does this occur in the book? If not, who gets married first? Jane?
: : And, where women supposed to be informed in what happened on their wedding night? Or did they approach their wedding night completely ignorant?
: : Just curious.
: : Paola
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: : As to the marital duties speech.....
O.K. Now I must get in here.... I have always thought it interesting that in Austen novels most all marriages are really not appealing, if they are not bad, they are down right quirky (Bennetts, Fanny & John, Mary & "the hunter" from Persuasion). Even those widowed seem to be less then desirable partners (Emma, Northanger Abby) The exception in this case would be the Gardner's. So you must wonder what she was really up to in these novels. Did she make her stories romances because they were popular or did she really feel that love in marriage could be achieved. What was her point? Along this Wedding night line... I want it understood I am looking at this from a romantics point of view... I think of all the Austen characters, Darcy and Lizzy had the most passionate relationship. Right from the start I think he was extremely attracted to her (her fine eyes, her eyes were brightened by the exercise, always caught staring at her, etc.) I am sure other couples (Jane & Bingley, Anne and Capt. Wentworth, Edward & Elinore, Emma & Knightly) had great love but the most passionate award has to go to the Darcy's! I wish someone would look at me that way!
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Posted by Annie on October 10, 1996 at 13:51:41:
Although this bulletin board has been called "P&P2", in actuality this was the third version of Pride and Prejudice. There was the 1941 Laurence Olivier version that many of us are familiar with, but there was a version made in 1985 (I think) by the BBC. I recognized none of the actors.
I watched this version after I had seen the 1995 version and was sadly disappointed. Everything about the movie seemed forced. In the 1995 version, the line "A single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife" truly sounded like a saying Elizabeth had been taught from childhood. In the 1985(?) version, Elizabeth also says this during a conversation with Charlotte Lucas, but their conversation continues quoting (verbatim) the opening paragraphs from the book. It just seemed so false to me. From there, the movie didn't get much better for me. Maybe it was the fact that the opening wasn't as good as that in the 1995 version of P&P. Mr. Collins wasn't fawning over Lady Catherine as well. There was an incident where Mr. Collins thought one of the Bennet girls had prepared his first meal at Longbourn--I think this is also in the book--and after he is informed that the Bennets have a cook, Elizabeth says, "Now he'll apologize for half an hour." This Elizabeth didn't seem to be having much fun. The scene in which Elizabeth reads Mr. Darcy's letter is simply a scene of her reading and him walking away. Elizabeth's reactions are only at the end, and she never really seems upset. She is constantly "mortified." While I can't blame her (the actions of her family would be more than enough to cause this), it was the constant repetition of the word that bothered me. Lydia was suitably horrible (and obviously her mother's favorite). But the ending has Mr. and Mrs. Bennet talking about Elizabeth's marriage. Mrs. Bennet is too calm during the "What jewels, what carriages, what pin-money..." speech. Although the movie ends with the Mr. Bennet's line (which was absent from the last version) of "If any young men come calling for Mary or Kitty, send them in for I am quite at leisure," overall I didn't think this was a good adaptation.
Did anyone else see this version? And if so, did you like it?
Annie
P.S. Sorry if I sound like I'm rambling or ranting. I just can't help it when it comes to this movie.
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Posted by Dina on October 10, 1996 at 14:02:14:
: It always seems that there are disproportionately more female Austen fans than male. Admittedly, many of her themes and most film adaptations are very "chick-friendly," but there is a lot to offer manly menfolk in these stories. In P&P alone, Elizabeth, Mr. Bennet, Darcy, and Charlotte, offer quite grounded notions of love and romance, and other aspects of life, that guys could relate to. It's frustrating that my own brother - sensitive and sensible as he is - never finished reading P&P for his AP English class last year and just about gacks whenever I watch my P&P2 videos. My question is, how do we get men to give her films and books a chance?
: - K
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Imagine my amazement when my father asked to borrow my P&P2 tapes!! This man
has always been a great reader but I never would have pegged this retired football
coach for Austen. I invited him over one Saturday and we had a Daddy Daughter
P&P marathon. It was great. My brother is cut out of this same mold, will not go to
"chick movies" He rented Sense & Sensability "for his wife" one night as she was
not feeling well. Of course, he watched it with her. The next morning I get a call
from him quizzing me on the books outcome. Did Mrs. Farris ever come around etc.
I have to tell you this cracked me up. I said "I told you so..." I guess we just have
to wait and see with these guys. My boss is enlightened and loves this stuff, so I have
someone to get a male opinion from. In all fairness, I go to some guy movies (this
excludes Van Damme). Isn't it nice to be well rounded? Steve?
Posted by Kelly on October 10, 1996 at 14:19:56:
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: : The link below will take you to the A&E Homepage. I think that you have to go into the store and can access the P&P page from there.
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: Sorry, I went and checked and you go into specials to access P&P2. The link below should take you right there!
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I'm having trouble with your links ~ i.e. they don't take me
where I need to go! But thanks, Lori, for telling me about
the interviews...I downloaded them to diskette while the baby was napping ~ now I have something to look forward to after she's gone to bed tonight!
Posted by Mary H on October 10, 1996 at 14:39:18:
She smiles to much! Just sour grapes or what do you think?
: : Ann2
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No, I don't
: think it's "sour grapes" on Jane later; he is very critical and Jane probably smiles too much for his taste.
: Rebecca
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Obviously, Darcy doesn't care for people whose manners are too pleasing (like Miss Bingley ;). I think his pride makes him value people who show that they know their own worth by not trying too hard to please.
Mary H
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