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Posted by Kali on October 10, 1996 at 00:05:08:
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: Here's a juicy story: according to one version of the myth, Zeus swallowed his mistress because it was predicted she would bear him children, and the son would be more powerful. So he had a major headake and split his head, and out came Athene fully armed. What a parent!
: Marsha
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Yep, and the mistress was the nymph Metis (which means "wisdom"). Isn't that fitting? The smartest, most capable daughter was the product of the incorporation of wisdom into the body of Zeus. Had Athena been a man, she would have ruled the gods. And if Elizabeth had been a boy, she would have been an heir - a most deserving one, at that. Nice correlation, Cheryl Thanks for the story, Marsha!).
- K
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Posted by Kali on October 10, 1996 at 00:10:24:
: : : Ann (grandaughter of Athena)
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: : Sorry, Ann, I don't want to be petty, but your claim is tough --
: : Athena was often called the Maiden Goddess, with good reason
: : (one of the three: Athena (Minerva), Artemis (Diana), and Hestia (Vesta)
: : How about Ann, NIECE of Athena?
: : Thea
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: Yes, but my grandmother (born in Greece) is named Athena!
: Ann
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Ann, you're Greek? Cool, so am I (my full name is Kaliopi). Actually, Athena and her brother Hephaistos actually did sort of have a child - Erechthonius. She didn't give birth to Erechthonius, but she did raise him...
- K
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Posted by Candace on October 10, 1996 at 00:38:39:
I don't believe that sour grapes apply here. Darcy WOULD NOT and COULD NOT allow himself to be attracted to ANY women there. He was very careful to always know to the sphere in which he belonged. The population at Merryton was definately beneath him. He belives that Jane is the only handsome women there for two reasons: 1) Bingley has made Darcy LOOK at her to make the observation and 2) She is with Bingley and not himself. Notice how he really hasn't taken a good look at Lizzy but makes the comment anyway "Not handsome enough to temp me" but when she walks by him and he has taken a good look he is smitten immediately and hates himself for it.
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Posted by Ann2 on October 10, 1996 at 01:05:17:
: : ......Lizzie had joked that " I always believe in first impressions and a good opinion once lost is lost forever"
: : : is when he realized that he had been overheard.
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: Ann2 - Remember that Lizzie's first response to him was to ask him if he had seen her sister Jane while he was in London. And that is when she goes on to tell the Col. that she and Darcy are not the best of friends.. and on to that first impression line. JA didn't abandon the scriptwriters for this scene! It makes for a wonderful moment between the two.
: Thanks for your kind words !
: Katherine
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: ... And it is clear that he is puzzled by Darcy´s behaviour; why he just speaks two sentences to this woman he admires so.Peculiar! And to walk over to the window and stare out of it?...
: At that time she had no way of knowing that Mr. Darcy knew Jane was in town and had kept it from Bingley. That is when he froze up and said no he had not had the pleasure and turned and walked to the window. That behavior made no sense to Lizzie and the Col.
Well actually Katherine, I hadn´t forgotten all this , but I just used this dwelling on the colonels reactions, (I love to think of how Darcy gives himself away in his behaviour, and how Fitz must have wondered "Darcy ,you are unwell..?") to perhaps explain why I had not caught that first impression reaction .
Best wishes Ann2
Posted by Ann2 on October 10, 1996 at 01:10:04:
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: : I think the shot serves to emphasize the vulgarity of Lydia's behavior. The drunken man outside is mimicing Lydia's dance with the ribbon inside. The the next scene (the Mereton ball post mortum) Lydia slouches into her seat with all the grace of the drunk falling into the water trough.
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Yes, indeed. And this is one more emphasize on the uncomfortable circumstances for Darcy.
Ann2
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 10, 1996 at 03:27:46:
: : : : : Paola
: : : : : Does anyone have any suggestions as to where Darcy and Lizzy may
: : : : : have spend their wedding night?
: : : : : The first place that comes to mind is Pemberley, but since they
: : : : : were married at Longbourn church, Pemberley would be an
: : : : : unattainable alternative (given the difficult roads and the
: : : : : distance).
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: : : : Perhaps at Mr. Darcy's house in London? Or at the country estate of some friend or relation on the way north? The party that Darcy brought with him to Pemberly (the Bingleys, & Georgiana) stayed somewhere en route.
: : : : Joan, too
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: : : I like the idea of Netherfield, with Miss Bingley down the hall.
: : : Not really, I think some Romantic place in route more Darcy's
: : : style than at Netherfield.
: : : Mich
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: : I think Darcys house in London would be the most likely place. i do not
: : think there were many romantic places in route to Pemberly only ordinary inns.
: <snippety snip>
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: I'd have to disagree here. Assuming that Darcy would have been acquainted with most of the gentry, there are several suitable places where they might of stayed on the wedding night. The nearest to Longbourne would have been Woburn Abbey -- no more than 15 or so miles away. A little under midway between Pemberley and Longbourne is Althorp house (seat of Vicount Spencer and the place that Diana, Princess of Wales was born and brought up) and finally there is Arbury Hall (nr. Nuneaton) -- the home of Viscount of Daventry. It is possible that this last one would be too far away (ca. 60 miles), however since it would have taken 2 3 days to get from Longbourne to Pemberley they may have preferred to stop over, rather than trying to complete the journey at breakneck speed (< 10 miles/hr.)!!!
: Just my 2 cents worth.
: Bernie
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It is possible that Darcy knew must of the gentry and had a lot of friends with whom they could stay. But do not you think according to his reserved caracter that he wanted to be alone
with Lizzy in their own house on this special occasion and do not have to entertain strangers.
I think Lizzy and Darcy wanted to be by themselves this evening ;);)
Anna-Karin
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Posted by Bernie on October 10, 1996 at 03:43:15:
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: : : I think Darcys house in London would be the most likely place. i do not
: : : think there were many romantic places in route to Pemberly only ordinary inns.
: : <snippety snip>
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: : I'd have to disagree here. Assuming that Darcy would have been acquainted with most of the gentry, there are several suitable places where they might of stayed on the wedding night. The nearest to Longbourne would have been Woburn Abbey Ð no more than 15 or so miles away. A little under midway between Pemberley and Longbourne is Althorp house (seat of Vicount Spencer and the place that Diana, Princess of Wales was born and brought up) and finally there is Arbury Hall (nr. Nuneaton) Ð the home of Viscount of Daventry. It is possible that this last one would be too far away (ca. 60 miles), however since it would have taken 2 - 3 days to get from Longbourne to Pemberley they may have preferred to stop over, rather than trying to complete the journey at breakneck speed (< 10 miles/hr.)!!!
: : Just my 2 cents worth.
: : Bernie
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: It is possible that Darcy knew must of the gentry and had a lot of friends with whom they could stay. But do not you think according to his reserved caracter that he wanted to be alone
: with Lizzy in their own house on this special occasion and do not have to entertain strangers.
: I think Lizzy and Darcy wanted to be by themselves this evening ;);)
: Anna-Karin
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I agree wholeheartedly that Darcy would much prefer to spend his first few nights with Lizzy on their own. I was only disagreeing with your comment that they wouldn't go to Pemberley straight away because there were only inns to stay at en route.
Apologies for not making myself clear.
Bernie
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Posted by Anna-karin schander on October 10, 1996 at 03:43:37:
: So, if not the
: : continent then Scotland. I'm sure that someone of Darcy's
: : wealth would take some kind of honeymoon.
: : While I'm sure that Lizzy would want to see her new home and
: : get acquainted with her staff, I think she would have enjoyed a little trip to get used to being a wife to Darcy -
: : a little time together. If not alone, only with the Bingleys.
: : What do you think?
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: Yes, most definitely there would have been some kind of honey moon. Perhaps Lizzy would finally get to finish her trip to the lakes!
: Diana
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it sounds lovely with the lakes. but remember that the wedding was in the winter.when travelling was not to nice at that time.Bummpy carriages and so on and the lakes probably frozen. If they did go to the lakes I think it was in the following summer.
As for the time in wich P&P was set.The book was published in 1813.On the Jane austen infopage under P&P there is a cronology made by chapman who dates the events to 1811-1812. And it may be correct. Since it is said that the ball at Netherfield was on a Thuesday november the 26th.
and November the 26Th was a Thuesday in 1811.
So maybe we can think thatthe wedding was in late 1812. napoleon came to elba in 1814 and the battle of Waterloo and the following peace was in 1815. so if they wanted to see the continent they had to wait 2 or 3 years maybe they went on a trip then.(leaving eventual children at home I think;);)
anna-karin
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Posted by Kelly on October 10, 1996 at 06:36:43:
: I'm sorry for being so ignorant but what is the Firthlist?
: Diana
This is an "exclusive" and "very secretive" mailing list
dedicated to Colin Firth. It's supposed to be not only
difficult to find out about, but supposedly screens the
candidates for subscription "to weed out those who are only
curious"!! However, if you read my previous posting (also
called Firthland) you'll see that it was, indeed, very easy
to find out about and very easy to get onto. However, I
don't recommend joining it - this BB is MUCH more entertaining and informative.
A note that I did not mention previously - I was also
somewhat surprised when I received my welcome to Firthland,
a list of various categories that I would be listed under -
depending on how much money I gave them to help run the list! Is it me or is this incredibly cheeky?!
Posted by Cheryl on October 10, 1996 at 06:41:05:
Miss Bingley says cruel things to make herself look good by making her rival look bad; Mrs. Hurst seems to take genuine and malicious delight in the nastiness, and eggs her sister on whenever possible.
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I always felt that Mrs. Hurst's nastiness was done in total support of her sister's ambitions towards Darcy rather than as sheer entertainment value (although I don not deny that this is a factor.) Mrs. Hurst wanted Caroline to marry Darcy almost as much as Caroline did. Then she would not only have access to Netherfield, but Pemberly also. Think of all the fine furniture on which her husband, the sot, could sprawl when he passed out.
Cheryl
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Posted by Kelly on October 10, 1996 at 06:47:57:
I had never been acquianted with the name Crispin Bonham-Carter until viewing P&P2. I knew the name Helena
Bonham-Carter - and with that information set out to decide
which character Crispin was (on A&E the cast was not always scrolled at the end of each part). I had drawn the conclusion that it must be Lydia (!) because the actress's appearance is so strikingly similar to Helena's. Am I crazy, or does anyone else see this?!
Once online I found out that Crispin was actually a man, of course ;-) and that he was Mr Bingley. I was all astonishment, I assure you! Are he and Helena brother/sister? Would someone remind me of what their blue blood connections are?
Mr Bingley was so "fruity" that I had to laugh at him (fruity in the nicest possible way!) - is this the way he is? Or was it all for the good of Mr Bingley?
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Posted by Carolyn on October 10, 1996 at 07:24:38:
: : This is, admittedly, damning with faint praise, but one can say this about Miss Bingley: she is not as bad as Mrs. Hurst. Miss Bingley at least has the excuse of desperation; Mrs. Hurst is just downright nasty. Miss Bingley says cruel things to make herself look good by making her rival look bad; Mrs. Hurst seems to take genuine and malicious delight in the nastiness, and eggs her sister
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: How on earth could the same parents produce Mrs Hurst and Miss Bingley, two of the nastiest females, I have ever heard of, and Mr Bingley, one of the nicest men? Maybe they had a particular nastiness gene passed on the X chromosome?
: Marsha
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Doesn't JA mention that Bingley brought his 5 sisters to Netherfield. What if there were 3 more like Caroline and Mrs. Hurst. Or perhaps they take after Bingley. JA just mentions them once, and then they disappear.
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Posted by Grace on October 10, 1996 at 07:33:20:
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: : : : : Did Anyone else get hooked on Anne of Green gables and all the sequels?
: : : : : I was a bit old when I first saw them but enjoyed them many many times.
: : : : : Mich
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: : : : Yes, I did. I also saw it late in life (along with Austen- what was I doing during my youth?) but loved the stories and went and bought all the books. I was a little taken aback to find that they were located in the childrens section, but then so was Little Women and I still read that as an adult (however I did discover that book in 5th grade!)
: : : : Cheryl
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: : : After watching P&P sp much I pulled out my set og GG and watched it again.
: : : I Loved it. I was alittle taken back by it being in the children section
: : : but I figured my inner child needed it.
: : : Mich
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: : All the Anne books were also an obsession with me; I even went to Prince Edward Island.
: : Grace
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: Scary...
: Last week I order information on taking a vacation there
: mich
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: Mich, I think you would enjoy the trip. We began by taking the ferry from Bar Harbour to Yarmouth, toured Nova Scotia then another ferry to P.E.I. and the book-related sites. The countryside is beautiful, very unspoiled. Grace
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Posted by Lori T. on October 10, 1996 at 07:47:08:
Since it is said that the ball at Netherfield was on a Thuesday november the 26th.
: and November the 26Th was a Thuesday in 1811.
: So maybe we can think thatthe wedding was in late 1812.
I'm impressed - how did you know it was a Thursday?
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Posted by Lori T on October 10, 1996 at 08:08:34:
Are he and Helena brother/sister?
Hi, they are third cousins. There is a nice interview/story
about him, Darcy, Lizzie and Jane on the AE home page. They
talk about their characters and the book. At the beginning, I believe it is mentioned that she is his more famous third
cousin.
The link below will take you to the A&E Homepage. I think that you have to go into the store and can access the P&P page from there.
Link:
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Posted by Brigid on October 10, 1996 at 08:19:37:
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: : I thought about that also but Mr. Collins did not seem interested in Mary because some of the things she said he made a face to. I think that he would have thought himself to be much superior to her.
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: You're right, but isn't that fittingly ironic? She's just like him, and he doesn't even realize it!
: - K
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I think that Mr. Collins believed that since he was doing the Bennets a favor he ought to have one of the handsome
daughters.
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Posted by Donna on October 10, 1996 at 08:26:52:
: I don't believe that sour grapes apply here. Darcy WOULD NOT and COULD NOT allow himself to be attracted to ANY women there. He was very careful to always know to the sphere in which he belonged. The population at Merryton was definately beneath him. He belives that Jane is the only handsome women there for two reasons: 1) Bingley has made Darcy LOOK at her to make the observation and 2) She is with Bingley and not himself. Notice how he really hasn't taken a good look at Lizzy but makes the comment anyway "Not handsome enough to temp me" but when she walks by him and he has taken a good look he is smitten immediately and hates himself for it.
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Right you are,I quess he couldn't believe country girls would be pretty.
Donna
Posted by Brigid on October 10, 1996 at 08:27:30:
: : As soon I try to type my name in the followup section I get an error message that says a Type 1 error has occurred and I am no longer in navigator at all. I haven't been able to determine what a Type 1 error is. Sorry to clog up the board with this but my e-mail still isn't functional.
: : Thanks.
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: I do recall hearing about this being a known problem, though I have not had it personally - check out this URL and see if it helps.
: http://help.netscape.com/kb/client/960613-21.html
: If not, go here and do a more specific search:
: http://help.netscape.com/faqs/pe3x.html
: Joan, too
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Thanks for the help. I will try those. Brigid
Posted by DonnaT on October 10, 1996 at 09:47:21:
: I think Darcy and Lizzy would spend the wedding night at Netherfield with
: Jane and Bingley (and WITHOUT the Bingley sisters, I hope!) or go on to
: Darcy's house in London - I don't think Mereton was far from London.
: Lorraine
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That is just what I think!! Love this thread.
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