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Posted by Carolyn on October 09, 1996 at 15:39:48:
: I read Cheryl's comment about how Miss Bingley was nice enough (if it could be termed that) to let Elizabeth stay at Netherfield while Jane was ill. I reread the scene where everyone is discussing what a truly accomplished woman is. After Elizabeth leaves the room, Miss Bingley says that Elizabeth is the type who tries to recommend herself to others by putting down the rest of her gender. Darcy replies that he believes all women use deception to some effect and says, "Whatever bears affinity to cunning is despicable." Miss Bingley doesn't say anything after that (wisely), but forever after continues to insult Elizabeth, an obvious ploy to make her look bad in Darcy's eyes. I'm not saying that I would have liked her to end up with Darcy in the end--God Forbid!! But if she had been a little more intelligent, she would have remembered what Darcy said. And we wonder why Mr. Bennet commented that most of his daughters were as silly as most other girls!
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Yes, she was being fairly dense, especially as Darcy had already snubbed her earlier. Caroline was teasing Lizzy about being a great reader and not caring for cards. While Lizzy sticks up for herself here, shortly thereafter when speaking of accomplished women, Caroline gives a list of accomplishments which she (probably) believes she has bet Lizzy does not. Then Darcy says a women also needs to read. Caroline looks as if she was slapped (if I remember correctly). I get the feeling that Caroline is not a reader.
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Posted by Mich on October 09, 1996 at 15:40:35:
: All this Anne of Green Gables talk has prompted me to get out my tapes and begin watching again. It has been years, but I do so like Anne, her imagination, optimism, and loving nature are a delight.
: Cheryl
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I pulled them out last night. The problem with AGG and P&P is once started I hate to turn them off. My days of functioning on a few hours of sleep are over.
Mich
Posted by Mich on October 09, 1996 at 15:42:28:
: I think I can safely speak for the vast majority here when I say that it is Darcy that we are in love with and not Colin Firth.
: Cheryl
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Quite true,quite true. Oh but what a Darcy he makes!
Mich
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Posted by Cheryl on October 09, 1996 at 15:50:30:
Then Darcy says a women also needs to read. Caroline looks as if she was slapped (if I remember correctly). I get the feeling that Caroline is not a reader.
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Yes, the scene where she is walking trying to get Darcy's attention she is holding a book but Jane Austen makes it clear that Miss Bingley had chosen that particular book only because it was the second volume to what Darcy was reading. Was she trying to show Darcy that she *was* a great reader? If so, she again failed miserably.
Cheryl
Posted by Cheryl on October 09, 1996 at 15:55:08:
: :::perhaps she sprang fully formed from the forehead of Jane Austen.
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: Yes. Thank you for reminding me that she isn't real. We all forget, don't we?
: Amy
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I have been wracking my brain trying to remember the mythological event I was alluding to above. Does anyone remember who it was that sprang fully formed from the forehead of Jove? Any Roman mythology buffs out there?
Cheryl
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Posted by Carolyn on October 09, 1996 at 15:55:23:
Don´t remember her name, but she was to marry Lord Byron later on! Is it not romantic?
: Ann2
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From something I remember reading but don't know the source, I think her name was Augusta, and she was into mathematics. In fact, she help formulate some of the mathematical equations that make personal computing possible.
And wasn't Byron known for going to balls and standing around in a Darcy-like manner?
Posted by Brigid on October 09, 1996 at 15:56:18:
: : Joan, too this is a bit of a side question. I just hooked up netsape navigator at home (on a Mac also) and whenever I try to post a followup message on this board it bounces me out. Did/do you ever have a similar problem? I am very new to all of this so I am learning by trial and error.
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: Brigid, could you be more specific about what "bounces me out" means? I haven't had any problem in posting follow-ups - maybe there's something in your settings that's not quite right, but need more specific description of the "symptom".
: Joan, too
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As soon I try to type my name in the followup section I get an error message that says a Type 1 error has occurred and I am no longer in navigator at all. I haven't been able to determine what a Type 1 error is. Sorry to clog up the board with this but my e-mail still isn't functional.
Thanks.
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Posted by Linda on October 09, 1996 at 16:00:24:
: In the book Darcy is saying in his letter to Elisabeth that he
: and Wickham were of almost the same age.And Darcy is 27 when the book begins
: and 28 when it ends.So Wickham must be around that.
: Anna-Karin
In Chapter Sixteen (preparing for next week), Wickham tells Elizabeth: "Certain it is that the living became vacant two years ago, exactly as I was of an age to hold it, ...".
Does anyone know at what age a clergyman can assume a living??
Linda
Posted by Joan, too on October 09, 1996 at 16:08:14:
: I have been wracking my brain trying to remember the mythological event I was alluding to above. Does anyone remember who it was that sprang fully formed from the forehead of Jove? Any Roman mythology buffs out there?
: Cheryl
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That would have been Athena... (resurrecting a previous obsession from the very distant past!)
Joan, too
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Posted by Cheryl on October 09, 1996 at 16:12:25:
: : I have been wracking my brain trying to remember the mythological event I was alluding to above. Does anyone remember who it was that sprang fully formed from the forehead of Jove? Any Roman mythology buffs out there?
: : Cheryl
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: That would have been Athena... (resurrecting a previous obsession from the very distant past!)
: Joan, too
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Thank you Joan, too. Now I can sleep tonight!
Cheryl
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Posted by Joan, too on October 09, 1996 at 16:39:59:
: As soon I try to type my name in the followup section I get an error message that says a Type 1 error has occurred and I am no longer in navigator at all. I haven't been able to determine what a Type 1 error is. Sorry to clog up the board with this but my e-mail still isn't functional.
: Thanks.
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I do recall hearing about this being a known problem, though I have not had it personally - check out this URL and see if it helps.
http://help.netscape.com/kb/client/960613-21.html
If not, go here and do a more specific search:
http://help.netscape.com/faqs/pe3x.html
Joan, too
Posted by Ann on October 09, 1996 at 16:43:25:
: : : I have been wracking my brain trying to remember the mythological event I was alluding to above. Does anyone remember who it was that sprang fully formed from the forehead of Jove? Any Roman mythology buffs out there?
: : : Cheryl
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: : That would have been Athena... (resurrecting a previous obsession from the very distant past!)
: : Joan, too
The Romans of course stole all of the Greek mythology and
changed the names, so if you are talking about the Romans it
is Minerva who sprang from the head of Jove, if the Greeks
then Athena from the head of Zeus.
Ann (grandaughter of Athena)
Posted by Rebecca on October 09, 1996 at 17:00:48:
About Darcy beimg the older, the wealthier and the more handsome of the two and yet because of Bingley´s social ability he is "the winner".... Maybe he is hurt and that is why he is rude. ...And back at Netherfield when they look back on the evening he has to spoil some of Bingley´s heartfelt joy with his snort: She smiles to much! Just sour grapes or what do you think?
: Ann2
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As Joan, Too, points out that is exactly what CF says were Darcy's feelings in this scene in "The Making Of" -- i.e.,
he was uncomfortable with the people at the Assembly and made to feel worse when Bingley gets the prettiest woman
in the room and then tries to "give" him the "less attractive" sister. Personally, I don't think Darcy really
looked at Elizabeth very well before his rude remark; it was just his reaction to his situation. No, I don't
think it's "sour grapes" on Jane later; he is very critical and Jane probably smiles too much for his taste.
Rebecca
Posted by Grace on October 09, 1996 at 17:01:27:
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: : : Did Anyone else get hooked on Anne of Green gables and all the sequels?
: : : I was a bit old when I first saw them but enjoyed them many many times.
: : : Mich
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: : Yes, I did. I also saw it late in life (along with Austen- what was I doing during my youth?) but loved the stories and went and bought all the books. I was a little taken aback to find that they were located in the childrens section, but then so was Little Women and I still read that as an adult (however I did discover that book in 5th grade!)
: : Cheryl
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: After watching P&P sp much I pulled out my set og GG and watched it again.
: I Loved it. I was alittle taken back by it being in the children section
: but I figured my inner child needed it.
: Mich
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All the Anne books were also an obsession with me; I even went to Prince Edward Island.
Grace
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Posted by Rebecca on October 09, 1996 at 17:16:08:
: Now that we have had our fun abusing the Bingley sisters, let us turn to the truly superior sisters, namely Jane and Lizzy.
: There are several exchanges between the two in this first week that are very lovely, and make me quite envious (as one who grew up with four brothers and no sisters!) The first private sister moment comes in their bedroom (as do many of these moments) when they discuss their desires for love and marriage. I like that they wish to hold out for true love as they "have daily proof" of the alternative. The affection confidence these two share is obvious and a delight.
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I agree with all your observations on the sisters, one of the truly fine relationships in all Jane Austen, I think. This first scene in Jane's bedroom (which is not in the novel) is good for introducing us more clearly to their financial and marriage predicament. However, one reviewer of P&P2 (which I don't remember, but can find it if questioned) said that Elizabeth appeared too "moonie" in this scene and implied, I guess, that saying "only the deepest love will ever tempt me into matrimony" (or close to that)or perhaps that-- finding a man who will marry her for 50 pounds a year but such a man would hardly be sensible and so she would not marry --is not true to Elizabeth's character. I don't agree with this reviewer, but also find it (and we shall probably continue to discuss this as our virtual review proceeds) unlikely that Elizabeth is so totally unconcerned about her financial future. Marriage is definitely in her plans, if it will happen, because her alternative is really too awful almost to comtemplate.
Rebecca
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Posted by Marie on October 09, 1996 at 17:23:28:
This is, admittedly, damning with faint praise, but one can say this about Miss Bingley: she is not as bad as Mrs. Hurst. Miss Bingley at least has the excuse of desperation; Mrs. Hurst is just downright nasty. Miss Bingley says cruel things to make herself look good by making her rival look bad; Mrs. Hurst seems to take genuine and malicious delight in the nastiness, and eggs her sister on whenever possible.
Posted by Mich on October 09, 1996 at 17:25:26:
: : :
: : : : Did Anyone else get hooked on Anne of Green gables and all the sequels?
: : : : I was a bit old when I first saw them but enjoyed them many many times.
: : : : Mich
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: : : Yes, I did. I also saw it late in life (along with Austen- what was I doing during my youth?) but loved the stories and went and bought all the books. I was a little taken aback to find that they were located in the childrens section, but then so was Little Women and I still read that as an adult (however I did discover that book in 5th grade!)
: : : Cheryl
: :
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: : After watching P&P sp much I pulled out my set og GG and watched it again.
: : I Loved it. I was alittle taken back by it being in the children section
: : but I figured my inner child needed it.
: : Mich
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: All the Anne books were also an obsession with me; I even went to Prince Edward Island.
: Grace
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Scary...
Last week I order information on taking a vacation there
mich
Posted by Maureen on October 09, 1996 at 17:38:04:
: : : I watched "Four Weddings and a Funeral", with Hugh Grant, a couple of days ago. I'm not sure but do the actors that play Miss Bingley and Mr. Hurst in P&P2 act in Four Weddings and a Funeral?
: : : Paola
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: : Yes, Miss Bingley is aka Duckface and Mr. Hurst is the annoying wedding guest that hits on our heroine (I've forgotten her name-it's been some time since I saw the movie.) We have mentioned here before how fun it is to see familiar P&P2 faces in other films, many of them in other recent Jane Austen adaptations.
: : Cheryl
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: I must admit it was strange to see Miss Bingley and Mr. Hurst in their new roles. But I was never aware that the actors in P&P2 take part in other Jane Austen adaptations. Which ones?
: I recently watched The Advocate, starring Colin Firth, and I just could not like it. It was strange to see him acting another role that was not that of Mr. Darcy.
: Paola
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The woman who plays Mrs. Bennet (Alison Steadman) can be seen in "The Adventures of Baron Muchhausen". Lydia (Julia Swahala) can be seen in many "Absolutely Fabulous" episodes airing on Comedy Central (if you have it) or can be rented at the local video store. Mr. Bingley can be seen in "Howard's End" and lots of other British movies. Lizzy (Jennifer Ehle) can be seen in "Backbeat" - the movie about the beatles before they became the beatles. These actors are very popular. check them out on the imbd - Internet Mobie Database.
-Maureen
Posted by Saman on October 09, 1996 at 17:44:07:
I seem to recall in the book at the beginning of the last chapter a comment like "happy for all her
maternal feelings was the day Mrs. Bennet got rid of her most deserving daughters".
I was quite disappointed at the double wedding, both in the book and on screen.
Saman
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: In P&P2 we have both Lizzy and Jane getting married on the same day and in the same church.
: Does this occur in the book? If not, who gets married first? Jane?
: And, where women supposed to be informed in what happened on their wedding night? Or did they approach their wedding night completely ignorant?
: Just curious.
: Paola
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Posted by Maureen on October 09, 1996 at 17:45:02:
: : Now that we have had our fun abusing the Bingley sisters, let us turn to the truly superior sisters, namely Jane and Lizzy.
: : There are several exchanges between the two in this first week that are very lovely, and make me quite envious (as one who grew up with four brothers and no sisters!) The first private sister moment comes in their bedroom (as do many of these moments) when they discuss their desires for love and marriage. I like that they wish to hold out for true love as they "have daily proof" of the alternative. The affection confidence these two share is obvious and a delight.
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: I agree with all your observations on the sisters, one of the truly fine relationships in all Jane Austen, I think. This first scene in Jane's bedroom (which is not in the novel) is good for introducing us more clearly to their financial and marriage predicament. However, one reviewer of P&P2 (which I don't remember, but can find it if questioned) said that Elizabeth appeared too "moonie" in this scene and implied, I
guess, that saying "only the deepest love will ever tempt me into matrimony" (or close to that)or perhaps that-- finding a man who will marry her for 50 pounds a year but such a man would hardly be sensible and so she would not marry --is not true to Elizabeth's character. I don't agree with this reviewer, but also find it (and we shall probably continue to discuss this as our virtual review proceeds) unlikely that Elizabeth is so totally unconcerned about her financial future. Marriage is definitely in her plans, if it will happen, because her alternative is really too awful almost to comtemplate.
: Rebecca
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Couldn't women in those days become nuns?? They would give their dowry to the church in exchange for their services. That is what I always thought Mary might do, since she always seemed so attached to Mr. collins and at times "preachy". That can be a fulfilling life and a worry off the minds of their parents.
What is your take??
-Maureen
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