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Posted by Ann on October 09, 1996 at 12:33:43:
: : I'm new here (enjoying every wonderful word) and hope you will not mind my joining in. Talk of the Hunsford visit makes me think of something I've always found interesting. If I remember the book correctly, Darcy and his cousin arrive early in the week before Easter. Darcy sees Elizabeth at church services only. Then the entire Collins party is invited to tea on Easter night. Doesn't this make you wonder what Darcy is feeling during that time before Easter
: when he knows Elizabeth is so near? Is he determined not to put himself in danger by seeing her(like that last day at Netherfield when he refused to speak to her)/ After all, the group exit from Netherfield was to be the break both for Bingley/Jane..... and for himself/Elizabeth. Now, at Hunsford, what does he do? Obviously seeing her at Easter is enough to make him lose all resolve and to want to see her as often as possible. I like the way the book mentions that
: he is often meeting her in the park and even insisting on turning back with her(wish the movie had shown this). Does he plan his day around these walks in hopes of meeting her in one of her solitary rambles? Finally, one more point on the Hunsford topic: I love the fact that Mr. Darcy sees Charlotte's worth, commenting to Lizzy on Mr. Collins' good fortune in his choice of wife. This shows Mr. Darcy's perception and values.
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Fitzwilliam also says to Elizabeth that Darcy has put off their scheduled
departure. Obviously he is hanging around for something ;-).
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 09, 1996 at 12:37:02:
: :: I just reread what I wrote. I meant to say that except for that very brief formal call at the parsonage at the beginning of the week, Darcy only sees E at church services. For that week, he otherwise stays away, still keeping to his resolve.
: Grace
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I refer again to my comment above. Darcy is extending his stay in Kent for
a reason.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 09, 1996 at 12:48:19:
:: I don't like the wider comments window, it continues right off my screen and makes rereading my comments before I send them off much harder. If the new size doesn't significantly help others, can we have the old ones back? I had just gotton good and comfy with them! (Yes, I'm an old dog who has difficulty learning new tricks!)
: Cheryl
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Ditto.
Ann
Posted by Mich on October 09, 1996 at 12:52:42:
: : :: I just reread what I wrote. I meant to say that except for that very brief formal call at the parsonage at the beginning of the week, Darcy only sees E at church services. For that week, he otherwise stays away, still keeping to his resolve.
: : Grace
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: I refer again to my comment above. Darcy is extending his stay in Kent for
: a reason.
: Ann
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Ann
good point I failed to catch that before
Mich
Posted by Ann on October 09, 1996 at 12:54:22:
Amy,
My browser (Netscape) doesn't wrap at all. All of the text remains in a
single line, no matter how long it is, until you hit return.
The problem is also that the comments window is now too big and runs off the
edge of the screen. To see the text, sometimes you need to move the scroll
bar at the bottom of the screen, which is a bot of a pain in the neck.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 09, 1996 at 13:00:15:
: : : Did Anyone else get hooked on Anne of Green gables and all the sequels?
: : : I was a bit old when I first saw them but enjoyed them many many times.
: : : Mich
: :
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: : I must have watches Anne of Green Gables 100 times at least.
: : Come to think about it Anne is sort of similar to Elizabeth Bennet.
:
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: Yes indeed, they are no doubt kindred spirits.
: Mich
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Megan Follows is going to be playing Nora in Ibsen's "A Doll's House" at
the Guthrie theatre here in Minneapolis. It should be a good show.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 09, 1996 at 13:06:10:
: He sem to have a great fondness for costars, but only as long as they
: are his costar.
: Mich
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He stayed with Meg Tilly for quite a while.
Ann
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Posted by Paola on October 09, 1996 at 13:09:16:
: : : Do you know how they broke it off? I only know that they
: : : broke up after the filming of P&P2. I also know that CF was
: : : dating some Italian actress, Livia, shortly afterwards.
: : : Has Jennifer Ehle dated anyone else after they broke up?
: : : Just curious.
: : : Paola
: :
: : From what I have read, Colin Firth seems to leave a lot of very upset ladies in his wake.
: : Ann
:
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: He sem to have a great fondness for costars, but only as long as they
: are his costar.
: Mich
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I can't explain why, but I really do feel sorry for Jennifer Ehle. I understand that she was very much hurt regarding their break up and too upset to even comment on it.
On the other hand, Colin Firth seems to have got over it quite quickly.
But then, I guess it's wrong to judge when one is unaware of the particulars.
Paola
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Posted by Paola on October 09, 1996 at 13:16:51:
I watched "Four Weddings and a Funeral", with Hugh Grant, a couple of days ago. I'm not sure but do the actors that play Miss Bingley and Mr. Hurst in P&P2 act in Four Weddings and a Funeral?
Paola
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Posted by Mich on October 09, 1996 at 13:17:50:
: : : : Did Anyone else get hooked on Anne of Green gables and all the sequels?
: : : : I was a bit old when I first saw them but enjoyed them many many times.
: : : : Mich
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : I must have watches Anne of Green Gables 100 times at least.
: : : Come to think about it Anne is sort of similar to Elizabeth Bennet.
: :
: : ___________________
: : Yes indeed, they are no doubt kindred spirits.
: : Mich
:
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: Megan Follows is going to be playing Nora in Ibsen's "A Doll's House" at
: the Guthrie theatre here in Minneapolis. It should be a
good show.
: Ann
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Let me know how it is since I will have to live vicariously through you.
Mich
Posted by Bernie on October 09, 1996 at 13:20:12:
: : : : Paola
: : : : Does anyone have any suggestions as to where Darcy and Lizzy may
: : : : have spend their wedding night?
: : : : The first place that comes to mind is Pemberley, but since they
: : : : were married at Longbourn church, Pemberley would be an
: : : : unattainable alternative (given the difficult roads and the
: : : : distance).
: : :
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: : : Perhaps at Mr. Darcy's house in London? Or at the country estate of some friend or relation on the way north? The party that Darcy brought with him to Pemberly (the Bingleys, & Georgiana) stayed somewhere en route.
: : : Joan, too
: :
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: : I like the idea of Netherfield, with Miss Bingley down the hall.
: : Not really, I think some Romantic place in route more Darcy's
: : style than at Netherfield.
: : Mich
:
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: I think Darcys house in London would be the most likely place. i do not
: think there were many romantic places in route to Pemberly only ordinary inns.
<snippety snip>
: Anna-Karin
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I'd have to disagree here. Assuming that Darcy would have been acquainted with most of the gentry, there are several suitable places where they might of stayed on the wedding night. The nearest to Longbourne would have been Woburn Abbey -- no more than 15 or so miles away. A little under midway between Pemberley and Longbourne is Althorp house (seat of Vicount Spencer and the place that Diana, Princess of Wales was born and brought up) and finally there is Arbury Hall (nr. Nuneaton) -- the home of Viscount of Daventry. It is possible that this last one would be too far away (ca. 60 miles), however since it would have taken 2 - 3 days to get from Longbourne to Pemberley they may have preferred to stop over, rather than trying to complete the journey at breakneck speed (< 10 miles/hr.)!!!
Just my 2 cents worth.
Bernie
Posted by Mich on October 09, 1996 at 13:24:44:
: : He sem to have a great fondness for costars, but only as long as they
: : are his costar.
: : Mich
:
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: He stayed with Meg Tilly for quite a while.
: Ann
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Too true, they even had a child. I think that is the exeption for him. One quote I remeber reading was Colin
saying " I don't need a wonman around".
Mich
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Posted by Mich on October 09, 1996 at 13:27:14:
: : : : Do you know how they broke it off? I only know that they
: : : : broke up after the filming of P&P2. I also know that CF was
: : : : dating some Italian actress, Livia, shortly afterwards.
: : : : Has Jennifer Ehle dated anyone else after they broke up?
: : : : Just curious.
: : : : Paola
: : :
: : : From what I have read, Colin Firth seems to leave a lot of very upset ladies in his wake.
: : : Ann
: :
: : ___________________
: : He sem to have a great fondness for costars, but only as long as they
: : are his costar.
: : Mich
:
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: I can't explain why, but I really do feel sorry for Jennifer Ehle. I understand that she was very much hurt regarding their break up and too upset to even comment on it.
: On the other hand, Colin Firth seems to have got over it quite quickly.
: But then, I guess it's wrong to judge when one is unaware of the particulars.
: Paola
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I think your right, she did seem very hurt by the whole thing. Poor girl she must have fell in love with Darcy.
M
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Posted by Cheryl on October 09, 1996 at 13:28:46:
: I watched "Four Weddings and a Funeral", with Hugh Grant, a couple of days ago. I'm not sure but do the actors that play Miss Bingley and Mr. Hurst in P&P2 act in Four Weddings and a Funeral?
: Paola
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Yes, Miss Bingley is aka Duckface and Mr. Hurst is the annoying wedding guest that hits on our heroine (I've forgotten her name-it's been some time since I saw the movie.) We have mentioned here before how fun it is to see familiar P&P2 faces in other films, many of them in other recent Jane Austen adaptations.
Cheryl
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Posted by Paola on October 09, 1996 at 13:36:48:
: : I watched "Four Weddings and a Funeral", with Hugh Grant, a couple of days ago. I'm not sure but do the actors that play Miss Bingley and Mr. Hurst in P&P2 act in Four Weddings and a Funeral?
: : Paola
:
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: Yes, Miss Bingley is aka Duckface and Mr. Hurst is the annoying wedding guest that hits on our heroine (I've forgotten her name-it's been some time since I saw the movie.) We have mentioned here before how fun it is to see familiar P&P2 faces in other films, many of them in other recent Jane Austen adaptations.
: Cheryl
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I must admit it was strange to see Miss Bingley and Mr. Hurst in their new roles. But I was never aware that the actors in P&P2 take part in other Jane Austen adaptations. Which ones?
I recently watched The Advocate, starring Colin Firth, and I just could not like it. It was strange to see him acting another role that was not that of Mr. Darcy.
Paola
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Posted by Bernie on October 09, 1996 at 13:44:42:
: : I agree, I don't see how Darcy could have lived with Elizabeth had she accepted his first proposal.
: : He still had so much pride then and ill feelings toward her family.
: : Bea
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: Yes, he had to learn to love Lizzy, not in spite of her unfortunate family, but because that family has made her the person he loves. The two cannot be seperated (although one can try- how far is it from Pemberly to Longbourn? I pray it is not *too* easy a distance!)
: Cheryl
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About 150 miles.
Bernie
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Posted by Brigid on October 09, 1996 at 13:59:21:
: : However, Paris is out the question. Most of Europe was at war, and Darcy would never expose Lizzy to the risks of traveling in a war zone.
: : :
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: : : I think that Lizzy would have been anxious to get accustomed to Pemberley and feel at home there.
: :
: : While I'm sure that Lizzy would want to see her new home and
: : get acquainted with her staff, I think she would have enjoyed a little trip to get used to being a wife to Darcy -
: : a little time together. If not alone, only with the Bingleys.
: : What do you think?
:
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: I agree, the wedding night alone would have cause
: her some fright. I think she would prefer to get to know Darcy before taking on Pemberley
: mich
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I agree. Perhaps Pemberley would be too much right after the wedding. Besides, decorum meant that they often had to be with others before the wedding. It would be nice for Darcy and Lizzy to have some time to themselves.
Posted by Paola on October 09, 1996 at 14:00:06:
: : However, Paris is out the question. Most of Europe was at war, and Darcy would never expose Lizzy to the risks of traveling in a war zone.
: : :
: : : ___________________
: : : I think that Lizzy would have been anxious to get accustomed to Pemberley and feel at home there.
: : Oops!!! Should never assume :)!!!!
: : I wasn't sure exactly what year that P&P was set but I assumed it was while Napolean was on Elba. So, if not the
: : continent then Scotland. I'm sure that someone of Darcy's
: : wealth would take some kind of honeymoon.
: : While I'm sure that Lizzy would want to see her new home and
: : get acquainted with her staff, I think she would have enjoyed a little trip to get used to being a wife to Darcy -
: : a little time together. If not alone, only with the Bingleys.
: : What do you think?
:
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: I agree, the wedding night alone would have cause
: her some fright. I think she would prefer to get to know Darcy before taking on Pemberley
: mich
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In P&P2 we have both Lizzy and Jane getting married on the same day and in the same church.
Does this occur in the book? If not, who gets married first? Jane?
And, where women supposed to be informed in what happened on their wedding night? Or did they approach their wedding night completely ignorant?
Just curious.
Paola
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