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Posted by Amy on October 09, 1996 at 00:38:09:
: However, any lines longer than the one above still scroll off the screen at the right.
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Hmm. Who else has this problem. Mine wraps and I thought everybody's did. There is a control I could put in on my end and I would happy to learn it and do it if this turns out to be a widespread problem. Or maybe even if it isn't if it wouldn't mess up everybody else.
Amy
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Posted by Kali on October 09, 1996 at 00:39:00:
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Right. Now the problem is getting the smart ones hooked in the first place, as not every man is as liberal-minded as Mr. Tilney. ;)
- K
Posted by Joan, too on October 09, 1996 at 00:46:06:
: : However, any lines longer than the one above still scroll off the screen at the right.
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: Hmm. Who else has this problem. Mine wraps and I thought everybody's did. There is a control I could put in on my end and I would happy to learn it and do it if this turns out to be a widespread problem. Or maybe even if it isn't if it wouldn't mess up everybody else.
: Amy
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The odd thing is that everywhere except the "Comments" window, things stay wrapped inside the window. This is the only place where it doesn't, so I can't figure out what setting I might need to twiddle with. (This is using Netscape for Mac, either 2.0.2 or 3.0)
Joan, too
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Posted by Ann2 on October 09, 1996 at 00:50:42:
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: : And handsome! Who, but Lizzie, would object to such a partner?
: : Ann2
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: But if she had accepted his first proposal without loving him, she would not have deserved him. Just as he did not deserve her at the time of his first proposal. As someone else has mentioned, both of them had to grow before the happy ending was deserved.
: kathleen
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Do you mistake my meaning, kathleen? I just wanted to give a reason for Darcy´s behaviour.And point out that Lizzy is one in a thousand that does not let herself be impressed and humbled like for instance Miss Bingley. That kind of woman
was what Darcy was used to, nést ce pas?
Ann2
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Posted by Ann2 on October 09, 1996 at 00:57:34:
: : I have got a cheap copy (Penguin popular classics) of P&P2, and as I am a librarian I would be horrified at the idea of a library book treated in the way I use this book. I have long before the discussion scheme was thought of) marked out where the six fdifferent videos end. I have every musical piece named in the margin.The spoken lines that are identical in Austens text, or the corresponding text that has been transformed to spoken lines are underlined in green. Everything that has to do with Darcy is underlined in red. The oxford edition by Chapman has a dating for the events in the novel. And I have tried to complement that and every day is noted in the margin.
: : Ann2
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: What a wonderful annotated edition you have made for yourself! I would love to see your copy as I am much too lazy to do such a thing myself! Although I do not have the film dialogue marked in my book, when I read those passages, I do *hear* the actors voices saying the lines.
: Cheryl
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Cheryl. I would like to show my underlinings and marginal writings to you, but I fear it is not" a very easy distance" between my humble abodance(?) and your place?!
best wishes, Ann2
Posted by Ann2 on October 09, 1996 at 01:02:05:
: : : I have got a cheap copy (Penguin popular classics) of P&P2, and as I am a librarian I would be horrified at the idea of a library book treated in the way I use this book. I have long before the discussion scheme was thought of) marked out where the six fdifferent videos end. I have every musical piece named in the margin.The spoken lines that are identical in Austens text, or the corresponding text that has been transformed to spoken lines are underlined in green. Everything that has to do with Darcy is underlined in red. The oxford edition by Chapman has a dating for the events in the novel. And I have tried to complement that and every day is noted in the margin.
: : : Ann2
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: : What a wonderful annotated edition you have made for yourself! I would love to see your copy as I am much too lazy to do such a thing myself! Although I do not have the film dialogue marked in my book, when I read those passages, I do *hear* the actors voices saying the lines.
: : Cheryl
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: I would also love to have a copy of your personally annotated edition. Maybe you should put up a website for it, or could it be included here?
: MaryH
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Hallo MaryH! I am quite new in the Html buisness but I am taking a course now, so who knows. The dates in Chapmans edition are maybe already somewhere on the net?
Ann2
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Posted by Ann2 on October 09, 1996 at 01:16:56:
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: : Hmm. Who else has this problem. Mine wraps and I thought everybody's did. There is a control I could put in on my end and I would happy to learn it and do it if this turns out to be a widespread problem. Or maybe even if it isn't if it wouldn't mess up everybody else.
: : Amy
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I have.
This is the length of line that is possible to see on my screen without move
I meant moving the screen. I am on ice here as I can´t find the correct word
s, but my English surely benefits from participating in this consuming conve
rsation. I like it very well.
Ann2 Thanks Amy, for the delete suggestion I had not imagined it possible.
Posted by Ann2 on October 09, 1996 at 01:33:23:
Suddenly last night I saw Darcy´s face in a new light. When Bingley has asked Jane to dance with him, I think there was envy in Darcy´s face. He considers Jane to be the prettiest girl in the room and now Bingley has "secured" her. I have seen this somewhere - here? About Darcy beimg the older, the wealthier and the more handsome of the two and yet because of Bingley´s social ability he is "the winner". And on top of this Bingley tries to introduce him to some vulgar woman and all her daughters. And later in a patronising way wants Darcy to try his luck with someone inferior in beauty. "I hate to see you standing about by yourself in "this stupid manner". Maybe he is hurt and that is why he is rude. He meant his remarks for Bingley´s ears only, I trust.And back at Netherfield when they look back on the evening he has to spoil some of Bingley´s heartfelt joy with his snort: She smiles to much! Just sour grapes or what do you think?
Ann2
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Posted by Joan, too on October 09, 1996 at 01:42:53:
: Ann2
: Suddenly last night I saw Darcy´s face in a new light. When Bingley has asked Jane to dance with him, I think there was envy in Darcy´s face. He considers Jane to be the prettiest girl in the room and now Bingley has "secured" her. I have seen this somewhere - here? About Darcy beimg the older, the wealthier and the more handsome of the two and yet because of Bingley´s social ability he is "the winner".
You have seen that, perhaps, in "The Making" book in the interview with CF? (That's where I saw it, but it may also have been mentioned here.)
: And back at Netherfield when they look back on the evening he has to spoil some of Bingley´s heartfelt joy with his snort: She smiles to much! Just sour grapes or what do you think?
Yes, the grapes do appear a little sour, don't they. ;-)
Joan, too
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Posted by Ann2 on October 09, 1996 at 02:18:38:
: : : Maybe this was one more of those scenes, used to show that all the world wasn't that affluent, or glittering, or charming or well-mannered?
: : : Marsha
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: : But Austen stayed right away from all that. Maybe Davies was flashbacking and thought he was working on Middlemarch. Eliot did include such things.
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: Austen stayed away from all that in P&P, but, as you know, there is a long-ish section in Mansfield Park that deals with Fanny's lower class family. JA did know about the "wrong side of the tracks," she just chose not to go there very often. I think Davis was trying to make a social statement, especially since class is a much bigger issue in the U.K. than the U.S. Then again, maybe he just needed an establishing shot and decided to have some fun with it.
: MaryH
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But don´t you all think it adds to the impression that the merryton assembly was not in the line of amusement and pleasure customay to Darcy and Bingley and their party. It is just outside the windows and men are drinling and shouting ... no breading at all as Darcy puts it. (No if this is the new screen it is no good for me) I cannot see all of my message any more. Wonder why?
Ann2
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Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 09, 1996 at 04:15:12:
: : : Paola
: : : Does anyone have any suggestions as to where Darcy and Lizzy may
: : : have spend their wedding night?
: : : The first place that comes to mind is Pemberley, but since they
: : : were married at Longbourn church, Pemberley would be an
: : : unattainable alternative (given the difficult roads and the
: : : distance).
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: : Perhaps at Mr. Darcy's house in London? Or at the country estate of some friend or relation on the way north? The party that Darcy brought with him to Pemberly (the Bingleys, & Georgiana) stayed somewhere en route.
: : Joan, too
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: I like the idea of Netherfield, with Miss Bingley down the hall.
: Not really, I think some Romantic place in route more Darcy's
: style than at Netherfield.
: Mich
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I think Darcys house in London would be the most likely place. i do not
think there were many romantic places in route to Pemberly only ordinary inns.
And I do not think that the fastidious Darcy would like to spend any nights there
unless necessary and especially not the wedding night.So i think London is the
most likely place. I think that darcys house there was big enought even if Georgiana
was there (but I think according to the novel that she lives with her governess
and not always with her brother). I think they traveled to Pemberly as soon as possible.
Maybe taking Georgiana with them.(At that time in england it seems like a newly marrieded
couple sometimes took someone like a sister in law with them on the honeymoon).
If the edding was in late november or early december.They would have some time
together before the Gardiners visit to them over christmas.
I think they would never spend the weddingnight at Loungbourne!!!!.I think they
wanted away from that as soon as possible.I think It must have bben enought to be
at Loungbourne before the weddings .Think about how mrs Bennet must have fussed around.
And still worse think about what she would have said or trying to say to Lizzy and
Jane about their marital duties (weddingnight) Horrors!!!!!!
We can only hope that maybe mrs Gardiner had a word with them about such things.
Anna-Karin
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Posted by kathleen on October 09, 1996 at 05:51:48:
Think about how mrs Bennet must have fussed around.
: And still worse think about what she would have said or trying to say to Lizzy and
: Jane about their marital duties (weddingnight) Horrors!!!!!!
: We can only hope that maybe mrs Gardiner had a word with them about such things.
: Anna-Karin
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I like the idea of Mrs. Gardiner having a "serious" talk w/ Jane and Lizzie before the wedding.
It's much better than thinking about how Mrs. Bennet would have explained it. (Of course, Lydia
may have tried to tell her sisters all about the joys of "marital duties" before she & Wickham left
to join his regiment.)
kathleen
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Posted by kathleen on October 09, 1996 at 05:59:36:
: : One the other hand, she knows that Darcy "cannot bear to hear George Wickham mentioned" [as she
: : tells Elizabeth at the Netherfield ball] and still she brings up the subject in Darcy's presence. Her jealousy
: : gets the better of her consideration, in this case, since she hopes to remind Darcy of Elizabeth's partiality
: : to Wickham and the Bennet girls (Lydia & Kitty) silliness w/ all of the officers.
: : kathleen
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: In the text she does not mention George Wickham at all, only the regiment.
: Ann
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True, but I suspect that she intended for Darcy to remember Lizzie's partiality
for Wickham. (Indeed, Jane Austen's descriptions of Caroline's motivation says
as much.) And, it worked . . . but not with the results Caroline had hoped for. Lizzie
is able to treat the comment indifferently which calms Darcy and makes him think of
Lizzie w/ more hope. (And, of course, Caroline did not know that she would be upsetting
Gerogiana.)
kathleen
Posted by kathleen on October 09, 1996 at 06:03:57:
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: : : And handsome! Who, but Lizzie, would object to such a partner?
: : : Ann2
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: : But if she had accepted his first proposal without loving him, she would not have deserved him. Just as he did not deserve her at the time of his first proposal. As someone else has mentioned, both of them had to grow before the happy ending was deserved.
: : kathleen
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: Do you mistake my meaning, kathleen? I just wanted to give a reason for Darcy´s behaviour.And point out that Lizzy is one in a thousand that does not let herself be impressed and humbled like for instance Miss Bingley. That kind of woman
: was what Darcy was used to, nést ce pas?
: Ann2
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Of course, you are quite right -- and to think I have always prided myself on being able to see/hear irony in a conversation! Lizzie is indeed 1 in 1000.
kathleen
Posted by Lori T on October 09, 1996 at 06:50:07:
(Of course, Lydia
: may have tried to tell her sisters all about the joys of "marital duties" before she & Wickham left
: to join his regiment.)
: kathleen
I don't think that Lizzie or Jane would have listened to anything she had to say
from which they could politely get out of.
I think that Darcy's house in London is probable and then maybe possibly a trip
to the Continent. I don't believe Lizzie was ever there and while I don't think
Darcy would be really into the Continent scene, I think we would enjoy it for a
short period with his new bride. Maybe take her to the Paris shops for the new
fashion in dresses.
I think that Bingley and Jane probably would also have gone but when in London,
they would have stayed at their own house.
Georgianna would have gone back to Pemberly with her other guardian - Colonel
Fitzwilliam.
Wedding night with the Bennetts would be definitely out of the question!!!!
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Posted by Donna on October 09, 1996 at 08:30:09:
Why do you blame the wives for the mens bad habits. Mr. Hurst/Mrs.Hurst nobody drives you to drink that a personal choice.
What is Mr. Hurst responsibilty to his wife? Looks like to me
he is as much to blame for her faults. Mrs. Bennet never ever speaks ill of her husband and takes constant teasing.
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Posted by Brigid on October 09, 1996 at 08:32:31:
: It always seems that there are disproportionately more female Austen fans than male.
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Even Colin Firth admitted that at first he had not read Pride and Prejudice (prior to being offered the role) because he feared it was a "sissy" book.
Posted by Ramona on October 09, 1996 at 08:57:38:
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: : Did Anyone else get hooked on Anne of Green gables and all the sequels?
: : I was a bit old when I first saw them but enjoyed them many many times.
: : Mich
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: Yes, I did. I also saw it late in life (along with Austen- what was I doing during my youth?) but loved the stories and went and bought all the books. I was a little taken aback to find that they were located in the childrens section, but then so was Little Women and I still read that as an adult (however I did discover that book in 5th grade!)
: Cheryl
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I also just watched Anne of Green Gables and Anne of Avonlea last week with my grandmother. It was her first time, but the umpteenth time for me. Before P&P2 these were my favorite shows. I own all the books but haven't read them all yet. I was just thinking that Anne is spunky like Elizabeth Bennet but she at times was like Marianne Dashwood in her romanticism. And like those other two ladies she grew up, matured, and learned what was important (Gilbert Blythe and not some guy who could gush poetry to her).
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Posted by Annie on October 09, 1996 at 09:11:28:
: Why do you blame the wives for the mens bad habits. Mr. Hurst/Mrs.Hurst nobody drives you to drink that a personal choice.
: What is Mr. Hurst responsibilty to his wife? Looks like to me
: he is as much to blame for her faults. Mrs. Bennet never ever speaks ill of her husband and takes constant teasing.
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All I have to say is, you get what you settle for. Mrs. Hurst married a man "of more fashion than fortune," I believe is what Austen terms Mr. Hurst. Mrs. Hurst wasn't going to change him, but who really says she wants to?
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Posted by Grace on October 09, 1996 at 09:21:42:
: Charlotte may be talking about him, but that he did not know that he had been overheard. I felt that later, when Darcy and Col. Fitzwilliam had rushed over to visit them at Mr. and Mrs. Collins home and Lizzie had joked that " I always believe in first impressions and a good opinion once lost is lost forever"
: : is when he realized that he had been overheard.
: : Katherine
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: What a revelation for me! I have found this last part of the first Hunsford visit hard to comprehend fully. I might have concentrated to much on col.Fitzwilliams obvious admiration and contemplated on from where he had heard all "the praise". And it is clear that he is puzzled by Darcy´s behaviou; why he just speaks two sentences to this woman he admires so. Peculiar! And to walk over to the window and stare out of it? Not at all like old lively Fitzwilliam!
: But it makes perfect sense that he at once knows, how she must have experienced their first meating. Double snub and all. I think he has been through every meeting with Lizzie in his mind several times. But this is not this weeks subject...
: Thanks anyway Katherine
: Ann2
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: I'm new here (enjoying every wonderful word) and hope you will not mind my joining in. Talk of the Hunsford visit makes me think of something I've always found interesting. If I remember the book correctly, Darcy and his cousin arrive early in the week before Easter. Darcy sees Elizabeth at church services only. Then the entire Collins party is invited to tea on Easter night. Doesn't this make you wonder what Darcy is feeling during that time before Easter
when he knows Elizabeth is so near? Is he determined not to put himself in danger by seeing her(like that last day at Netherfield when he refused to speak to her)/ After all, the group exit from Netherfield was to be the break both for Bingley/Jane..... and for himself/Elizabeth. Now, at Hunsford, what does he do? Obviously seeing her at Easter is enough to make him lose all resolve and to want to see her as often as possible. I like the way the book mentions that
he is often meeting her in the park and even insisting on turning back with her(wish the movie had shown this). Does he plan his day around these walks in hopes of meeting her in one of her solitary rambles? Finally, one more point on the Hunsford topic: I love the fact that Mr. Darcy sees Charlotte's worth, commenting to Lizzy on Mr. Collins' good fortune in his choice of wife. This shows Mr. Darcy's perception and values.
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