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Posted by candace on October 07, 1996 at 23:41:12:
: I find it understandable that she is insulted -- after all when she asked "whose fine eyes", her's were opened wide and really quite beautiful.
Posted by Lilian on October 08, 1996 at 00:08:13:
: At Lucas Lodge we have Darcy looking on in contempt as Lydia,
: Kitty, some officers and some of the Lucases take to dancing.
: A few minutes later he was presented with Miss Eliza's hand:
: "though extremely surprised, was not unwilling to reveive it."
: Now if Lizzy were really quick on her feet, she might have
: accepted in order to get a man she perceived to be consumed with
: pride to prance about someone's parlor with her and her very
: silly sisters.
: What a blow that would have been to Mr. Darcy's pride. Whenever I
: watch that scene, I always picture Lizzy and Darcy joining in the
: dance and Miss Bingley's and Mrs. Hurst's horrified reactions to
: seeing it!!
: Ann
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I love that idea! That would have been a hoot to see! Although on Lizzy's
part, she would not have even thought about that - she knew her sisters
were silly, but she didn't want anyone to think of her silly as well. \
That's why the thought would have never occurred to her.
I think it would have been quite amusing to see Darcy maintaining his dignity
while Lydia and Co. giggle and prance around him. (Although Lizzy would have
been much embarrassed and the Bingley sisters would condemn the Bennett girls
even more). It would have been interesting to have seen Darcy's emotions.
Posted by Ann2 on October 08, 1996 at 01:13:38:
: Well I canīt say I had any success in my editing efforts, first I tried to cut out the part I would like to quote and then I pasted it after the <BR> signs. That seemed to work.But then I marked the whole of the messages left and it all disappeared. Sigh! Now I will quote from above but there must be a better way of doing this.Perhaps a little instruction would be helpful to more than myself. (By the way, Amy, I love to think of your bread purchase and the way you expressed yourself to the amazement of the people around you. I quite envy you this opportunity to casually mix your everyday language with Austenish. We do it in Sweden but of course it is always rather obvious.
To the point!
Amy said: I still believe it is Darcy we have the crush on. I tend to agree and cannot avoid telling you what I read somewhere about this. It was one young lady who wrote to her mother about the novel P&P saying something like you get quite fascinated by it all, ESPECIALLY MR DARCY. And do you want to know who expressed this opinion? Donīt remember her name, but she was to marry Lord Byron later on! Is it not romantic?
Ann2
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Posted by Joan, too on October 08, 1996 at 01:35:48:
: Ann2
: Well I canīt say I had any success in my editing efforts, first I tried to cut out the part I would like to quote and then I pasted it after the
signs. That seemed to work.But then I marked the whole of the messages left and it all disappeared. Sigh! Now I will quote from above but there must be a better way of doing this.Perhaps a little instruction would be helpful to more than myself.
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Not knowing what kind of computer and software you are using makes it a bit difficult to give specific directions, but in my browser, the "Comments" window is so small that I almost never do my editing in there - it requires scrolling back and forth for miles and it's very easy to mess it all up. Instead, I also keep my text editor open, and first cut everything out of the comments window, leaving it empty, then I paste it all into my text editor, and then remove the parts of the quoted stuff (above the BR signs) that I am not responding to, where I can see what the heck I am doing. (My text editor wraps those long lines inside the window so there is no scrolling necessary.) Then I type my response below the BR line, and copy the whole thing and paste it back into the (now empty) Comments window. This may not be the "right" way, but it works for me! :-)
Joan, too
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Posted by Ann2 on October 08, 1996 at 01:51:13:
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: : Unless the book is a particularly fine print, or belongs to
: : someone else, I have no fear of writing in the margins. I
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I have got a cheap copy (Penguin popular classics) of P&P2, and as I am a librarian I would be horrified at the idea of a library book treated in the way I use this book. I have long before the discussion scheme was thought of) marked out where the six fdifferent videos end. I have every musical piece named in the margin.The spoken lines that are identical in Austens text, or the corresponding text that has been transformed to spoken lines are underlined in green. Everything that has to do with Darcy is underlined in red. The oxford edition by Chapman has a dating for the events in the novel. And I have tried to complement that and every day is noted in the margin. According to my calculations today, the 8th of october is the day when Mr Bennet revealed to his family that he had visited Mr Bingley." I am afraid we cannot escape the acquaintance now"! So fellow addicts we have a lot of jubileeīs coming up. 183 or was it 184 years since "it all happened" . I don`t rmember if it was 1812 or 1813 that was the almanac she used (Jane A).Then I have to more editions with different comments mind you, they are not expensive. But I would like to own the Oxford edition, which has lots of notes, pictures, essays on the way people adressed oneanother(? is this the word?) and soforth. But you have to buy all six novels together and it amounts to about 1000 swedish crowns. So that is a future plan.
Ann2
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Posted by Lilian on October 08, 1996 at 04:17:59:
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: : I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who wants to slap the s***out of Miss Bingley. Wouldn't that be a great money raiser at a Jane Austen themed based carnival? "Slap Miss Bingley: only one pound!" Think of all the monies that could be raised for the Bennet girls doweries!
: : Cheryl
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: While we're getting physical - how about spanking Lydia.
: Anne
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Definately. You can count me in on that as well. Especially how
Lydia just giggles like a silly little girl and not really
knowing (or caring) what she put her family through by running
off with Wickham.
Also, sometimes I fell like thwacking Mc. Collins especially
when he has that silly smirk on his face.
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Posted by Amy on October 08, 1996 at 05:27:21:
Oh, man. This is getting out of hand, isn't it. Tell you the truth, I see "Slapping Miss Bingley" as the name of a thread and start giggling.
And to think I just told my 12-year-old he would have to tone down the violence on his site. Nobody must be killed or hurt, I told him. Have the phasers shoot music or jokes or something.
Well, let's try to reconcile this. I don't think I want to really injure any of these characters. They are too entertaining. I don't think we love to hate them. I think we think we hate them but would miss them terribly if we rendered them non-existent or too disabled to play with.
Amy
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Posted by Ian on October 08, 1996 at 05:28:49:
: : Football indeed -- but my Cornhuskers have slipped in the
: : college rankings.
: : kathleen (a Nebraskan currently located in western Maryland)
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: The PACK is back. Cheesehead transplanted to Gainesville, Fl (Ted Bundy, Danny Rollings, River Pheonix,Tom Petty, Gators, Richard from Caroline in the City, and Dr. Morganstern? on ER., #1 place to live - last year, if you like serial killers I guess) Lived in Dallas too, loved that old pitcher, whats his name?
What on Earth does this have to do with P&P2. Is Darcy a Quaterback and Lizzy a Cheerleader?
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Posted by Amy on October 08, 1996 at 05:39:05:
: : : Football indeed -- but my Cornhuskers have slipped in the
: : : college rankings.
: : : kathleen (a Nebraskan currently located in western Maryland)
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: : The PACK is back. Cheesehead transplanted to Gainesville, Fl (Ted Bundy, Danny Rollings, River Pheonix,Tom Petty, Gators, Richard from Caroline in the City, and Dr. Morganstern? on ER., #1 place to live - last year, if you like serial killers I guess) Lived in Dallas too, loved that old pitcher, whats his name?
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: What on Earth does this have to do with P&P2. Is Darcy a Quaterback and Lizzy a Cheerleader?
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Poor Ian. You must be scratching your head. (What's a cheesehead? Crazy Amurcuns)
I stilll get the 403 Forbidden message.
Amy
Posted by kathleen on October 08, 1996 at 06:05:19:
: : Be sure to look at the paintings at Rosings and then at one of Lady Catherine's hats. In an interview, the actress playing Lady C comments on the connection.
: : kathleen
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: Where did you find an interview with Barbara Leigh-Hunt (Lady C.)? I'd love to hear what else she had to say!
: Joan, too
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In The Making of Pride and Prejudice, on p. 54 there is a short blurb about costumes.
kathleen
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Posted by kathleen on October 08, 1996 at 06:33:16:
: .
: : The PP2 production reners Collins somewhat older than he actually is in the book.
: : Johanna
: : ps: Was out of town for the weekend, but am loving all the posts! This is great!
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: Yes, in the book he is 28 (so he tells Lizzie in the explanation of his behavior after the second proposal) The cut that line out of P&P2
: Marsha
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You mean Darcy, do you not? He is 28 to Lizzie's 20 or 21. The Reverend Mr. Collins is 25 to Charlotte's 27 or 28.
kathleen
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Posted by kathleen on October 08, 1996 at 06:38:02:
: : Anyone know the contemporary equivalent of handsome? Would it be the same as saying someone is "attractive?" (A term I've heard one should be wary of when describing blind dates.)
: : Mary
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: Perhaps so, as Darcy only uses the word handsome. To Bingley, "You are dancing with the
: only handsome girl in the room", and "She is tolerable; but not handsome enough to tempt
: me." And this is used by him who tells Lizzy, not that he is madly in love with her, but
: that he likes her against his will. So, perhaps handsome was more of a middle of the road term
: that Darcy would have even been comfortable with.
: Bea
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On the other hand, we have Darcy's famous retort to Miss Bingley that "it is many months since I have considered her [Elizabeth] as one of the handsomest women of my acquaintance." It is obviously being used as a supreme compliment in this case.
kathleen
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Posted by Ann2 on October 08, 1996 at 07:31:35:
Charlotte may be talking about him, but that he did not know that he had been overheard. I felt that later, when Darcy and Col. Fitzwilliam had rushed over to visit them at Mr. and Mrs. Collins home and Lizzie had joked that " I always believe in first impressions and a good opinion once lost is lost forever"
: is when he realized that he had been overheard.
: Katherine
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What a revelation for me! I have found this last part of the first Hunsford visit hard to comprehend fully. I might have concentrated to much on col.Fitzwilliams obvious admiration and contemplated on from where he had heard all "the praise". And it is clear that he is puzzled by Darcyīs behaviou; why he just speaks two sentences to this woman he admires so. Peculiar! And to walk over to the window and stare out of it? Not at all like old lively Fitzwilliam!
But it makes perfect sense that he at once knows, how she must have experienced their first meating. Double snub and all. I think he has been through every meeting with Lizzie in his mind several times. But this is not this weeks subject...
Thanks anyway Katherine
Ann2
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Posted by ann2 on October 08, 1996 at 09:03:42:
: : Darcy seems to be a man who does possess that "utmost force of
: : passion"--enough to fall in love with Lizzy without encouragement.
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: Don't know. Is it possible Darcy is an exception to Charlotte's rule since he is so very rich and must assume that everyone must want him?
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And handsome! Who, but Lizzie, would object to such a partner?
Ann2
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Posted by Brigid on October 08, 1996 at 09:40:32:
: : : Anyone know the contemporary equivalent of handsome? Would it be the same as saying someone is "attractive?" (A term I've heard one should be wary of when describing blind dates.)
: : : Mary
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: : Perhaps so, as Darcy only uses the word handsome.
: : Bea
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: On the other hand, we have Darcy's famous retort to Miss Bingley that "it is many months since I have considered her [Elizabeth] as one of the handsomest women of my acquaintance." It is obviously being used as a supreme compliment in this case.
: kathleen
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I haev always thought that handsome has to do with physical beauty, poise and overall attitude and carriage. It is more than "You thought her pretty at one time".
Posted by Mich on October 08, 1996 at 10:14:27:
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: : : Amazing how several obsessions seem to be in common. My own include
: : : Beauty and the Beast (tv show); Star Trek (TNG).
: : : But I have also become obsessed with sports teams, and sports personalities.
: : : My only consistent obsession, the only one Iever return to with the same
: : : satisfaction as I initially felt, is Jane Austen. I may set the obsession aside for
: : : a time, but I always return.
: : : kathleen
: :
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: : I loved B&B, but I hated how they ended it.
: : Mich
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: Ending was a sacrilege. Would have much preferred changing
: the actress instead of changing the tone of the show.
: Anne
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I think the rating were very low. Fan like us were loyal just not plentiful.
Mich
Posted by Mich on October 08, 1996 at 10:20:09:
: Mich,
: That was lovely. The transformation is important, isn't it? Thanks for pointing it out. It'll give me something to think about.
: Amy
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Amy
Thank you for your sweet response.
Mich
Posted by Marie on October 08, 1996 at 10:33:35:
This is wonderful! What an eye for detail. I have a masters in art history, but I haven't paid attention to all the background in the series, focussing too much on the actors. I don't have the tapes, so don't have a chance to go back and watch these things again, but if I do, I'll certainly make a point of noting the paintings.
Posted by Cheryl on October 08, 1996 at 10:58:16:
I am feeling a trifle guilty since I am the one who started all these smacking people around threads and now feel compelled to say something nice about Miss Bingley. It is difficult to come up with something, but after much thought I find that it is Miss Bingley who invited Lizzy to stay at Netherfield til Jane was recovered, not Mr. Bingley as it is depicted in the film. Now, granted, she does this grudgingly and more out of a sense of obligation and hospitality than out of concern for Jane or Lizzy, but we must be content with any port in a storm!
Cheryl
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