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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 20:41:57:
Mich,
That was lovely. The transformation is important, isn't it? Thanks for pointing it out. It'll give me something to think about.
Amy
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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 20:59:41:
: Ah, but she is punished - by eventually having to eat her own words and visit Pemberley
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Yes, no doubt that is the just and most appropriate punishment, but let's put her in a carriage with Lydia for a not-so-easy distance, with Lydia bumping her hat box into Lady C's space and interrupting her every pronouncement and disagreeing about where to stop for the night and giggling at questionable double entrendres and snorting like a little piggy all way home.
Amy
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Posted by Mich on October 07, 1996 at 21:12:23:
: : Ah, but she is punished - by eventually having to eat her own words and visit Pemberley
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: Yes, no doubt that is the just and most appropriate punishment, but let's put her in a carriage with Lydia for a not-so-easy distance, with Lydia bumping her hat box into Lady C's space and interrupting her every pronouncement and disagreeing about where to stop for the night and giggling at questionable double entrendres and snorting like a little piggy all way home.
: Amy
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If lady Cathy already get's her's how about teaching Mrs. Bennet some manners and a bit more sense.
When I see her at Netherfield talking with her mouth full...
Mich
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Posted by Mich on October 07, 1996 at 21:21:41:
:
: : Did Anyone else get hooked on Anne of Green gables and all the sequels?
: : I was a bit old when I first saw them but enjoyed them many many times.
: : Mich
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: Yes, I did. I also saw it late in life (along with Austen- what was I doing during my youth?) but loved the stories and went and bought all the books. I was a little taken aback to find that they were located in the childrens section, but then so was Little Women and I still read that as an adult (however I did discover that book in 5th grade!)
: Cheryl
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After watching P&P sp much I pulled out my set og GG and watched it again.
I Loved it. I was alittle taken back by it being in the children section
but I figured my inner child needed it.
Mich
Posted by Joan, too on October 07, 1996 at 21:32:33:
: Yes, no doubt that is the just and most appropriate punishment, but let's put her in a carriage with Lydia for a not-so-easy distance, with Lydia bumping her hat box into Lady C's space and interrupting her every pronouncement and disagreeing about where to stop for the night and giggling at questionable double entrendres and snorting like a little piggy all way home.
: Amy
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Would that not have been "Lady Kitty"? [meow]
Posted by Anne on October 07, 1996 at 21:48:34:
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: : Amazing how several obsessions seem to be in common. My own include
: : Beauty and the Beast (tv show); Star Trek (TNG).
: : But I have also become obsessed with sports teams, and sports personalities.
: : My only consistent obsession, the only one Iever return to with the same
: : satisfaction as I initially felt, is Jane Austen. I may set the obsession aside for
: : a time, but I always return.
: : kathleen
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: I loved B&B, but I hated how they ended it.
: Mich
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Ending was a sacrilege. Would have much preferred changing
the actress instead of changing the tone of the show.
Anne
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Posted by Ann on October 07, 1996 at 22:17:49:
: Darcy always seems to be beneath portraits of proud, noble men, as in the billiard room (one of my favorite little scenes), and at the Netherfield ball. I can go no further, because so far, I have only viewed tapes 1 & 2 since August, though, I am hoping to get tapes 3 & 4 from our library very soon (knock on wood).
I have noticed one painting in relation to Darcy. During the
first dance at the Netherfield ball (the Darcycam shot),
Darcy is scoping out the room, when he finally stops and
turns to look again at Lizzy, he is off on the side of the
screen and in the center is a very large horse's a--.
I liked that one.
Ann
Posted by Marsha on October 07, 1996 at 22:18:39:
: : Be sure to look at the paintings at Rosings and then at one of Lady Catherine's hats. In an interview, the actress playing Lady C comments on the connection.
: : kathleen
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: Where did you find an interview with Barbara Leigh-Hunt (Lady C.)? I'd love to hear what else she had to say!
: Joan, too
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Yes, that scene in Rosings is perfectly filmed. The camera slowly moves to lady C. who looks like a part of an old, old-fashioned painting herself, a painting of another era.
Marsha
Posted by Marsha on October 07, 1996 at 22:30:32:
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: The PP2 production reners Collins somewhat older than he actually is in the book.
: Johanna
: ps: Was out of town for the weekend, but am loving all the posts! This is great!
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Yes, in the book he is 28 (so he tells Lizzie in the explanation of his behavior after the second proposal) The cut that line out of P&P2
Marsha
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Posted by Marsha on October 07, 1996 at 22:36:35:
: : [Of course, it's probably the plaque Sir. W. received on being elevated to the knighthood, or something equally prestigious.
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: Yes, it was made quite clear in the book that he received the honor of appointment to the Order of the Radial Tire Complete With Fancy Hubcap as a result of his speech.
: How could he impress so with an address? Did he flatter the prince regent? Slip somebody a few quid?
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Maybe they had a shortage of knights?
Marsha
Posted by Marsha on October 07, 1996 at 22:43:04:
: : : Ah, but she is punished - by eventually having to eat her own words and visit Pemberley
: : ___________________
: :
: : Yes, no doubt that is the just and most appropriate punishment, but let's put her in a carriage with Lydia for a not-so-easy distance, with Lydia bumping her hat box into Lady C's space and interrupting her every pronouncement and disagreeing about where to stop for the night and giggling at questionable double entrendres and snorting like a little piggy all way home.
: : Amy
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: If lady Cathy already get's her's how about teaching Mrs. Bennet some manners and a bit more sense.
: When I see her at Netherfield talking with her mouth full...
: Mich
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What about making Mrs Bennet, Lydia, Miss Bingley, and Lady Cathy be only in each other's company for a fortnight (lock the house doors and don't let anyone leave) That's the worst that I could think of! (Except I feel sorry for the servants)
Marsha
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Posted by Cheryl on October 07, 1996 at 22:45:02:
My, what a nasty vindictive bunch we are turning out to be. I love it. But I am sure it is all in the interest of seeing justice done.
Cheryl
P.S. What about forcing Mr. Collins to reside in the 800 pound fireplace- after it had been fitted with shelves, of course. Happy thought indeed!
Posted by Marsha on October 07, 1996 at 22:47:07:
: : I know it's necessary to invent some dialogue and omit other pieces of from the novel. Having said that, however, I do wonder at the omission of the last bit of Miss Bingley's response to Darcy's "fine eyes" comment. In the novel she manages to maintain her composure and tease; in P&P2 she comes across as personally insulted or desparate.
: : What do you think?
: : kathleen
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: I've always thought it was to placate
: those of us watching who wanted Darcy to march right over and give her a
: big slap across the face. This of course would not be how dacry would handle it
: but I would have cheered.
: Mich
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I think she deserves it (Hip! Hip! Hooray!) I hate how she makes fun of 'her dear friend's vulgar relations' In the P&P2, the scene of Jane's dinner with the sisters makes me want to slap both Mrs Hurst, and Miss Bingley. The way they try to drag out of Jane where her uncle lives! Slap, slap, slap!!
Marsha
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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 22:49:50:
: What about making Mrs Bennet, Lydia, Miss Bingley, and Lady Cathy be only in each other's company for a fortnight (lock the house doors and don't let anyone leave) That's the worst that I could think of! (Except I feel sorry for the servants)
: Marsha
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Great idea. Could be a very funny story especially if told by the servant.
Posted by Marsha on October 07, 1996 at 22:50:04:
: But, according to her neices and nephews, JA said that Mary went on to become the star of Meryton society after her sisters moved away and she married Mr. Phillip's chief clerk.
: So she ended up happy too.
: Mary
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Like aunt like niece (Mrs Phillips was a star of sorts-all officers frequented her)
Marsha
P.S. This gives me a really poor opinion of Meryton's taste!
Posted by Cheryl on October 07, 1996 at 22:50:25:
: : I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who wants to slap the s***out of Miss Bingley. Wouldn't that be a great money raiser at a Jane Austen themed based carnival? "Slap Miss Bingley: only one pound!" Think of all the monies that could be raised for the Bennet girls doweries!
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: Cheryl,
: My first laugh out loud for the day.
: Every time you hit her she would say something like:
:
Had to tell you, Amy, I've been chuckling all day picturing Miss Bingley with her feathered hat askew peeping out "I am all astonishment.. I am all bruised." I may not be able to view anymore of the tapes without seeing that image before me. Maybe it will make me want to slap her less...or maybe not.
Cheryl
Posted by Ann on October 07, 1996 at 22:56:31:
: : what made a "Gentleman". Lizzie speaks later to Darcy aunt that
: : Darcy is a gentleman and she a gentleman daughter so far they are equal.
: : What defined a man as a "Gentleman"
: : Mich
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: Just one thing - who your ancestors were.
: Joan, too
Not quite. Remember Bingley's ancestors were in trade. I
believe that it has more to do with having an independant
income so that you do not have to work for a living.
Ann
Posted by Cheryl on October 07, 1996 at 23:00:03:
: What about making Mrs Bennet, Lydia, Miss Bingley, and Lady Cathy be only in each other's company for a fortnight (lock the house doors and don't let anyone leave) That's the worst that I could think of! (Except I feel sorry for the servants)
: Marsha
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Sounds great, but leave them with no servants. They would quickly learn humility if they had to dress, cook, clean and generally fend for themselves. If they cannot learn to get along with and be kind to their fellow woman, they will wind up killing each other. Either way, the world at large will become a much better place. (I can't believe I just wrote that. This is getting out of hand. Perhaps I need to be locked up with them. Perish the thought!)
Cheryl
Posted by Anne on October 07, 1996 at 23:01:20:
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: I think she deserves it (Hip! Hip! Hooray!) I hate how she makes fun of 'her dear friend's vulgar relations' In the P&P2, the scene of Jane's dinner with the sisters makes me want to slap both Mrs Hurst, and Miss Bingley. The way they try to drag out of Jane where her uncle lives! Slap, slap, slap!!
: Marsha
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Especially since the Bingley fortune was made in trade.
Posted by Anon on October 07, 1996 at 23:13:00:
: Here is HC's annotated online P&P text.
Another paper discussing the various Austen novels is found
at http://sunsite.berkeley.edu:8080/scan/ncl-e/464/articles/wilkie.art464.html
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