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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 06:23:54:
: [Of course, it's probably the plaque Sir. W. received on being elevated to the knighthood, or something equally prestigious.
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Yes, it was made quite clear in the book that he received the honor of appointment to the Order of the Radial Tire Complete With Fancy Hubcap as a result of his speech.
How could he impress so with an address? Did he flatter the prince regent? Slip somebody a few quid?
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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 06:39:40:
Marsha:
1st:
Noble Patroness. Arnessa wrote the second step before she and I and everyone else lost interest in the project. Refers to JA.
About the Australian page
: Does anyone know what is the matter with "Ostentatious Jane Jane Austen page" I tried to load it a couple of times, both from the browser, and from within liks of P&P, but the only message I would get is that it is forbidden
I talked to the webmaster who says the server is being upgraded and was given some alternate URLS. Since they did not work for me either I won't pass them along. I will leave in the bad link for now.
Our opinion is being sought about content for the page. Can anyone think of an angle that has not been covered on the web?
Amy
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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 06:58:09:
Bea said:
>>I read a message
>>Hit the Back arrow to return to PP2bb.
That is the best way to do it. That way you can refresh and preserve your colors for visited links.
>>If I am reading a message and return to PP2bb via the link, I get a different,
: more up to date page and it looks like I have not read any
: of the messages.
If you notice, when you do this, you get an extra slash in the address after wwwboard. The trick serves to refresh the main page for you but since it is technically a different address for the page, it does not preserve the same visisted link colors.
At least that's the way I explain it to myself. I have to confess that I don't fully understand all the programming behind the freeware CGI script I use for this board. I know enough to fool around with it and change the appearance, but have never really dissected it to learn all the complicated things it does with our words.
>>: What did I miss in the first emails about how to read these correctly. I didn't
: see this in the FAQ.
You didn't miss a thing. Nobody has ever asked about this, so I can't count it as a frequently asked question. Anyway I am not a good enough documentation writer to explain such a thing in an FAQ intended in part for brand new visitors. Should I do a power users' FAQ?
Amy
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Posted by Lynne on October 07, 1996 at 07:15:46:
: : I am planning to make a "Jane Austen tour of England" in conjunction with an independent study project. Is anyone familiar with England that could give me recommendations onwhat I should make a point to see?
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: I would suggest Bath. I only wish when I had gone there, I had an inkling of who Jane Austen was. I went during college on Spring Break, and did not know
: the joys of any Austen novels then. In this case, I guess, youth sometimes, IS wasted on the young....
: (sigh)
: Have fun!
: Bea
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:Go to Bath its beautiful, especially the Pump Rooms and the
Crescent. You should also see her house at Chawton in Hampshire
if you can. You could also visit Lyme Regis ( Louisa fell from
the Cobb there in Persuasion) Lastly, she is buried in
Winchester Cathedral (the birthplace of Colin Firth incidentally)
W
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Posted by Joan, too on October 07, 1996 at 07:16:17:
: I am planning to make a "Jane Austen tour of England" in conjunction with an independent study project. Is anyone familiar with England that could give me recommendations onwhat I should make a point to see?
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How long to you plan to travel? This would make a big difference. Two friends and I who were accustomed to taking elaborately planned short trips together once decided to take 18 days to drive through the British Isles. (We were, at that time, teaching in Germany.) We thought 18 days to be such a long time that we would not have to make detailed plans. Wrong! We took the car ferry across the channel, and three days later we were still only 50 miles from Dover, and ended up spending an entire evening doing what we should have done to begin with. Wherever you go in England, you will find fascinating things to divert you from your intended goals. We ended up each choosing 3 things that we could not bear to miss, and planned a route that would ensure these sites, and agreed to pass up everything else along the way, which caused constant mourning on the part of all!
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on October 07, 1996 at 07:21:51:
: Do you think this would present a problem if ever they worked together again.
: Maybe neither would want to.
: Ciao Donna,
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If it were me, I can't imagine it not being a problem - bessut then acting is (thankfully) not my profession...
Joan, too
Posted by Anne on October 07, 1996 at 07:32:12:
: A few minutes later he was presented with Miss Eliza's hand:
: "though extremely surprised, was not unwilling to reveive it."
: Now if Lizzy were really quick on her feet, she might have
: accepted in order to get a man she perceived to be consumed with
: pride to prance about someone's parlor with her and her very
: silly sisters.
: What a blow that would have been to Mr. Darcy's pride. Whenever I
: watch that scene, I always picture Lizzy and Darcy joining in the
: dance and Miss Bingley's and Mrs. Hurst's horrified reactions to
: seeing it!!
: Ann
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I too wondered at his compliance and tried to imagine the two of them
dancing with her sisters and the children. It is enough to boggle the
mind. I am sure that he agreed so as to be able to dance with her without
really considering the circumstances. Miss Bingley would have had a
cow! She would have also teased him unmercifully for a long time over
that.
Anne
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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 08:51:32:
Jane and Bingley danced in the book. And I didn't get the impression the kids were so very little. With these changes in circumstance, dancing might seem more supportable to Darcy.
But the material point, I think, is that no matter what the circumstances, he wanted (needed?) to get closer to her. He was not about to be anything but polite this time, and complying in this second invitation to invite her to dance. Unlike Mrs Bennet who doesn't care who hears her put down her acquaintance, Darcy must have been mortified to know Lizzie heard him describe her as not handsome enough to dance with.
I am sure, though, he was glad to hear she was not inclined to dance on this particular occasion.
Amy
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Posted by Donna on October 07, 1996 at 09:10:29:
: : : : It was just nonsensical bantering and did not contribute much to the story except to emphasize how complying Bingley is and how dominating Darcy can be, but we learned all about those things in other ways.
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: : :
: : : Thank god for that I had to read that three times.
: : : Donna
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: : But you should not believe all my assertions. I am no Austen scholar and often have the minority or oddball opinion. Could be we are both missing some deep consequential meaning here.
: : Amy
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: I'm no Austen scholar either, but I do see some deeper reason for this seemingly inconsequential argument between Darcy and Lizzy. Austen loves to foreshadow events in her novels. She especially loves to make characters say things early on which they will live to regret later. Remember Lizzy's "I may safely promise you NEVER to dance with Mr. Darcy." And this argument about the pliability of Bingley's temper could be seen as a foreshadowing of the ease with which Darcy and the Bingley sisters will be able to persuade Bingley to leave Jane for London. Darcy is saying any friend would be easily able to guide Bingley's decision whether or not to "ride off in a moment." And Lizzy says that to "yeild readily, easily, to the persuasion of a friend" is a good thing. Well, we'll see if she thinks it a good thing when Bingley yields to Darcy's advice and hurts Jane.
: I think Austen is getting a real chuckle here because she has Darcy wanting to determine "with a greater degree of precision the importance which is to appertain to this request and the degree of intimacy between the parties," and Lizzy says something like "We may as well wait until the situation arises" before we judge the conduct of the parties. Well, the importance of the request WILL be determined with a greater degree of precision and the situation WILL arises when they both will be able to judge whether Bingley's temper is a benefit or a drawback. Ha! Austen is a genius.
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It does seem that everything JA writes in her novels does have reasoning behind it.
There is few thing I have noticed:
How she does leave out romantic conculsion.
How she adds other thing that fit character development,
How she has Charlotte older than Lizzie.
Darcy is older than Bingley.
Jane is older than Bingley.
This does have a deeper meaning I am sure, I was just wondering if my thought was right.
Since Darcy made so many bad calls.He is suposed to be clever or wiser. Since Darcy also had a better education.
Charlotte thought she would be happy with Mr. Collins?
Does the age of the characters tell us who is wiser. Maybe it has to do with environment.
Age dosen't always make you wiser. Maybe Austen was always the older friend.
Donna,
Donna,
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Posted by kathleen on October 07, 1996 at 09:46:25:
: It does seem that everything JA writes in her novels does have reasoning behind it.
: There is few thing I have noticed:
: How she does leave out romantic conculsion.
: How she adds other thing that fit character development,
: How she has Charlotte older than Lizzie.
: Darcy is older than Bingley.
: Jane is older than Bingley.
: This does have a deeper meaning I am sure, I was just wondering if my thought was right.
: Since Darcy made so many bad calls.He is suposed to be clever or wiser. Since Darcy also had a better education.
: Charlotte thought she would be happy with Mr. Collins?
: Does the age of the characters tell us who is wiser. Maybe it has to do with environment.
: Age dosen't always make you wiser. Maybe Austen was always the older friend.
:
: Donna,
:
: Donna,
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Question: How do you know that Jane is older than Bingley? Jane is about 23, and Bingley is 2 years past the age
of majority -- so how old is he?
kathleen
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Posted by Amy on October 07, 1996 at 10:01:27:
: Did anyone else find herself (himself) wanting to write notes in
: the book as they were reading it? I can't bring myself to do that
: but may have to buy another copy just for that (paperback perhaps).
: I did find myself writing notes in a notebook pertaining to amusing
: passages, observations, etc.
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Anne,
You remind me of one of my hairbrained business schemes. Try this on. I publish P&P as a scribble book meant to be defaced. Cheap paper. Maybe perforated and 3-hole punched like a notebook. Main text in the middle with maybe some footnotes or commentary (Henry, want to get in on this?) in part of the wide margins, like the Talmud. Plus plenty of space to scribble in your own notes.
Amy
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Posted by Carolyn on October 07, 1996 at 10:39:51:
:
: : It does seem that everything JA writes in her novels does have reasoning behind it.
: : There is few thing I have noticed:
: : How she does leave out romantic conculsion.
: : How she adds other thing that fit character development,
: : How she has Charlotte older than Lizzie.
: : Darcy is older than Bingley.
: : Jane is older than Bingley.
: : This does have a deeper meaning I am sure, I was just wondering if my thought was right.
: : Since Darcy made so many bad calls.He is suposed to be clever or wiser. Since Darcy also had a better education.
: : Charlotte thought she would be happy with Mr. Collins?
: : Does the age of the characters tell us who is wiser. Maybe it has to do with environment.
: : Age dosen't always make you wiser. Maybe Austen was always the older friend.
: :
: : Donna,
: :
: : Donna,
:
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: Question: How do you know that Jane is older than Bingley? Jane is about 23, and Bingley is 2 years past the age
: of majority -- so how old is he?
: kathleen
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I believe that you reached majority was 21 years old. If Bingley is two years older, he is also 23.
Posted by Carolyn on October 07, 1996 at 10:40:27:
:
: : It does seem that everything JA writes in her novels does have reasoning behind it.
: : There is few thing I have noticed:
: : How she does leave out romantic conculsion.
: : How she adds other thing that fit character development,
: : How she has Charlotte older than Lizzie.
: : Darcy is older than Bingley.
: : Jane is older than Bingley.
: : This does have a deeper meaning I am sure, I was just wondering if my thought was right.
: : Since Darcy made so many bad calls.He is suposed to be clever or wiser. Since Darcy also had a better education.
: : Charlotte thought she would be happy with Mr. Collins?
: : Does the age of the characters tell us who is wiser. Maybe it has to do with environment.
: : Age dosen't always make you wiser. Maybe Austen was always the older friend.
: :
: : Donna,
: :
: : Donna,
:
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: Question: How do you know that Jane is older than Bingley? Jane is about 23, and Bingley is 2 years past the age
: of majority -- so how old is he?
: kathleen
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I believe that you reached majority at 21 years old. If Bingley is two years older, he is also 23.
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Posted by Annie on October 07, 1996 at 10:46:59:
: :
: : : It does seem that everything JA writes in her novels does have reasoning behind it.
: : : There is few thing I have noticed:
: : : How she does leave out romantic conculsion.
: : : How she adds other thing that fit character development,
: : : How she has Charlotte older than Lizzie.
: : : Darcy is older than Bingley.
: : : Jane is older than Bingley.
: : : This does have a deeper meaning I am sure, I was just wondering if my thought was right.
: : : Since Darcy made so many bad calls.He is suposed to be clever or wiser. Since Darcy also had a better education.
: : : Charlotte thought she would be happy with Mr. Collins?
: : : Does the age of the characters tell us who is wiser. Maybe it has to do with environment.
: : : Age dosen't always make you wiser. Maybe Austen was always the older friend.
: : :
: : : Donna,
: : :
: : : Donna,
: :
: : ___________________
: : Question: How do you know that Jane is older than Bingley? Jane is about 23, and Bingley is 2 years past the age
: : of majority -- so how old is he?
: : kathleen
:
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: I believe that you reached majority at 21 years old. If Bingley is two years older, he is also 23.
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Here's another age bender to think about. Charlotte is twenty-seven, right? Unless I read something wrong somewhere, Mr. Collins is only twenty-five. (As I'm writing this, I don't have my copy of Pride and Prejudice with me, so I might be wrong.)
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Posted by Cheryl on October 07, 1996 at 11:17:25:
It seems as though we ARE obsessive types. My past obsessions include some common ones mentioned here:
Beatles
Star Trek
Louisa May Alcott
some TV (MASH, Cheers, Seinfeld, 30 Something)
but the biggie is: FOOD
Nice to know I have friends here with whom I can share my current and most obsessive obsession.
Cheyrl
Posted by Cheryl on October 07, 1996 at 11:25:58:
: Maybe this was one more of those scenes, used to show that all the world wasn't that affluent, or glittering, or charming or well-mannered?
: Marsha
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Yes, the scene annoyed me, too. But I have always took it to show the social hierarchy of the town; the Darcys and Bingleys of the world are as far above the Bennets and the Lucases as the Bennets and Lucases are above the lowest classes of Meryton.
Cheryl
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Posted by Cheryl on October 07, 1996 at 11:36:18:
I have always found it interesting that the sisters would believe that having Jane in the family would somehow be a blot on the family honor when they have this drunken lout sprawled out on the furniture every evening. Granted, the Mr. Hurst in P&P2 is more exagerated than the novel, but Jane would certainly bring more credit to the family than Mr. Hurst has. But then, Jane does not have money or social position. So the lesson here is that it is better to have money than manners. Not a lot has changed in 200 years, has it?
Cheryl
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Posted by Linda on October 07, 1996 at 11:50:05:
: :
: : : Mr Bennet may have neglected his younger children but he was under no illusions about them. She's deep but not very quick. Makes extracts but is quite incapable of arriving at an original idea.
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: : Poor Mary. I have always felt that Jane Austen was very severe with her and producers of P&P2 even more so. Did you notice how Mary was given all manner of facial blemishes to go along with her other charms?
: : Cheryl
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: I don't think she objected to her looks (Anne Eliot was plain) but to her self-assured and pedantic manner.
: Marsha
But Anne Eliot wasn't really plain, she had just lost her youthful bloom (don't have book handy, so can't give a more accurate description).
P&P, Chapter 6
"After a song or two, ... , she was eagerly succeeded at the instrument by her sister Mary, who having, in consequence of being the only plain one in the family, worked hard for knowledge and accomplishments, was always impatient for display."
It appears that poor Mary missed out on everything; she was plain and "had neither genius nor taste", but still managed to have vanity which spoiled her application.
Linda
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Posted by Cheryl on October 07, 1996 at 11:50:11:
: One of the exchanges left out of the video which caught my eye in the
: book was in Chapter 10 when Darcy is writing to his sister. Miss
: Bingley has been bothering him with interjections
I love this exchange in the book. Miss Bingley is sooo needy of any attention from Darcy. It is too pathetic. My opinion of Darcy soars as I see how he has dealt with Miss Bingley all these years with such good grace and manners. I believe I have already confessed that I would have SMACKED her!
Cheryl
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