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Posted by Donna on October 04, 1996 at 21:14:03:
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: : Sure, P&P 2 is Firth's most appealing & flattering role to date, but if you've seen him in other films it's amazing what a fine actor he is,inhabiting such a variety of roles - the movies may not all be great but in every one he does an excellent job. It's hard to believe that Simon in "Circle of Friends" is played by the same actor who plays Darcy in P&P2 or John McCarthy in "Hostages" or Adrian in "Apartment Zero, justifying all praise of his acting talents.
:
: Actually, I still don't think he is a great actor. I haven't
: seen Tumbledown or Another Country though, so I think I may
: be missing his best work. In a lot of his films he seems to
: get a lot of milage out of different variations of what we
: here call "the Look". That is, his burning passionate stare
: which melts the heart of everyone with two X chromosomes,
: and some with a Y as well. He does it in Valmont, Month in
: the Country, Femme Fatale, a bit in the Advocate, and of
: course P&P. He seems to specialise in characters suffering
: from unrequited love.
: Ann
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I would like to see him like "Dances with Wolves",something epic,
I know it's not English . Oh! I know Rear Window remake some of
Carey Grants old movies of course somehing knew would be better.I
know an "Affair to Remember". He should try a diversity of roles.
That why critic say the old Hollywood way of making movies was better.
You would be under contract for so many movies a year. We would see more
of him. I can't really find any of his movies. Apartment Zero was fine,I
Advocate,and Secret Garden to rent that is. I am not buying
anything else.
Donna
Posted by Joan, too on October 04, 1996 at 21:19:06:
This thread has reminded of a question that has occurred to me a number of times. When Lizzie tells her mother about being engaged to Darcy, Mrs. B. insists that They must be married by a special license. Does anyone know what is meant by this?
Joan, too
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Posted by Donna on October 04, 1996 at 21:19:45:
: I have to say that Mr. Collins is probably my favorite "Jerk" in Jane Austen's novels. I especially thought that the actor who played him in P&P2 was fantastic. Even though I have seen the movie a number of times, I still laugh every time I hear him gushing over Lady Catherine de Bourgh in his first letter to Mr. Bennet.
: It's a classic!
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Did anyone get to catch Mr.Collins aka. David Bamber in
P.G. Wodehouse's HEAVY WEATHER it was on PBS. I don't remember
when but he played the same kind of role. It starred Peter O'Toole
Some very quirky characters.
Donna,
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Posted by Donna on October 04, 1996 at 21:35:53:
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: : If I were her (or him) I can't imagine not falling in love while P&P. Actors are always being consumes by their roles.
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: However, it is likely in cases such as these, that the actors involved discover, once the production schedule is over, that it was the character rather than the person that they were in love with - in the same manner that several here have commented that they had discovered that it was not Colin Firth in whom they are interested, but rather, Darcy.
: Joan, too
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Do you think this would present a problem if ever they worked together again.
Maybe neither would want to.
Ciao Donna,
Posted by Emma on October 04, 1996 at 21:54:34:
Wow! I just found this BB and I think it's great that so many enjoy Jane Austen. Do you ever discuss other authors, such as Henry James or Edith Wharton? Do you know of a BB that does? What are the other writers that you like to read? I'm sorry if this goes off the main subject too much.
Posted by Sarah on October 04, 1996 at 21:58:40:
I think this is one of Colin's little extra gifts that really brings Darcy to life for us - he is able to describe his feelings with his facial expressions only - disdain/boredom (eyerolling), lack of self assurance/awkwardness (when he brings Col Fitz to meet Lizzie at the Collins'), and of course the LOOK of utter and complete contentedness (the piano scene at Pemberly) - he is a man of few words because he tells us so much with only his face.
Sarah
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Posted by Sarah on October 04, 1996 at 22:33:24:
Do ya'll think he might have been a special friend to Darcy - considering the situation with Lydia and Wickham, Darcy may have had trouble finding a priest who would perform the ceremony in a reputable fashion - remember, he is trying to save Lizzie's good name and wants it all to look good and be legel - maybe this priest was close enough to Darcy to do this special favor, then of course he would be the same priest presiding over a happy occasion such as Darcy's own wedding.
Sarah
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Posted by Bea on October 04, 1996 at 22:58:32:
: : ...imagine Mr. Collins bumbling around in his long
: : night shirt, trying to be romantic in a condesending sort of way!
: : Just my ramblings.... ;-)
: : Bea
:
: Add to the mental picture a nice night cap covering his oily hair.
: Ann
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Ann,
I literally laughed out loud when I read your response. The mental picture was indeed too much!
Bea
Posted by Sarah on October 04, 1996 at 23:37:10:
I was having yet another quick fix yesterday and saw the apology scene with Darcy and Bingley - I like this scene so much!! What gentlemanike behavior is shown here!!! Through the entire story Darcy's influence over Bingley is obvious, yet Darcy is never disrespectful to Bingley. Especially in this scene - I know Darcy has experienced some change in his basic make-up, but i appreciate how he is willing to humble himself to his friend. A necessary evil in relationships - the ability and need to be able to confess your wrongdoings and be forgiven. I think this is a good example of how much he has really changed.
Sarah
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Posted by Ann on October 05, 1996 at 00:10:46:
: This thread has reminded of a question that has occurred to me a number of times. When Lizzie tells her mother about being engaged to Darcy, Mrs. B. insists that They must be married by a special license. Does anyone know what is meant by this?
: Joan, too
I know I read about this somewhere (perhaps on the
Mysterious H.C.'s web pages).
If I remember correctly, there are three different ways to
get married.
1) (cheapest) Having the Banns (sp?) read in church. This
means that on three consecutive Sundays the minister reads
the names of those wanting to get married, at the end of
the three weeks the couple is considered married.
2) (second cheapest) regular license.
3) (expensive) special license.
I don't remember what the difference is between the last two,
except the price. Obviously the special license is more
prestigeous.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 05, 1996 at 00:13:07:
I think if you take a very close look, they are different actors.
The first has a rougher look to him, and the second looks much more amiable.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 05, 1996 at 00:14:20:
: Did anyone get to catch Mr.Collins aka. David Bamber in
: P.G. Wodehouse's HEAVY WEATHER it was on PBS. I don't remember
: when but he played the same kind of role. It starred Peter O'Toole
: Some very quirky characters.
: Donna,
I seem to recall that he played some sort of detective.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 05, 1996 at 00:17:06:
: I thought it interesting that Lizzie, who kept telling Jane that anyone who had seen Jane and Bingley together could not doubt that he loved her, yet she appears completely unaware that the same is true of those who see L & D together.
: Joan, too
Emma has the same problem. She is very quick to fancy other
people are in love with eachother, but doesn't realize that
Mr. Knightly is in love with her, or that she is in live
with him.
Ann
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Posted by Johanna on October 05, 1996 at 01:30:26:
Sorry Amy to use this forum, but I was emailed by Diana (JakesLand@AOL.com) and nicely asked about screen savers and how to get the shareware. I emailed a quick "how to." I just got a nasty email from "Dianas Bratty Brother" Luke threatening to send a virus that will wipe out my dos. If you are reading this "Diana" I am in no mood to quibble with your hacker "little brother." I was not sending any "junk" I was merely answering an email. This is no fun for me and I want to warn the BB in case anyone else gets threats from JakesLand@AOL.com.
I have taken the liberty of pasting the email so you can see who this came from.
Again, I apologize to the BB and just want to warn everyone.
I am not "virus savvy" and could easily be duped by this apparent foolishness, but I will now filter my mail accordingly.
Johanna
Date sent: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 20:33:21 -0400
From: JakesLand@aol.com
To: jasper@accessone.com
Subject: Re: CF screen savers from the P&P2 site
dont' send my sister junk her yonger brother, who knows more about computers
than she does(even baboons that were trained know more than her), Because I
will send you a computer virus that will crash your hard drive so that you
won't even have DOS.
HAHAHAHAHA HEHEHEHEHE HOHOHOHOHOHO
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!the laughter is making me choke.
D
iana's braty brother
Luke
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Posted by Cheryl on October 05, 1996 at 02:35:44:
Dear Friends,
I have been contemplating on what it is that has reduced (or elevated, as the case may be) us to our present state of addiction. We talk at length about this wonderful production, the characters, the faithfulness to the novel, the animal magnetism of Darcy, etc. but the time has come to admit that it is not P&P2 or even Jane Austen that has made us obsessive; it is we ourselves.
I have two very dear friends, our tastes are common, we have similar backgrounds and beliefs. We watched P&P2 together, we have also gone out to see S&S, Emma, etc. and while they enjoyed the films, they do not feel the need (as I do) to see them over (and over) again, or to read the books, or to disect them, or to discuss it with others. And we must admit that millions of people have seen P&P2 and have managed to move on with their lives. So it is us, and not the film, that is at fault.
In reading the bios we find that we are from all walks of life, yet something in our make up draws us in and these characters become real to us. Are we all romantics? Is it as simple as that? I never really thought of myself as such before, I do not read romance novels (either classical (before I discovered Jane, that is) or modern). I do not necessarily believe in "happily ever after," but perhaps I secretly long to have everything work out in the end, to believe that there are such men as Darcy in the world, to wish for a sense of civility in an ever increasingly uncivil world.
What is it fellow Janites, about *you* that makes you watch these films over and over again, and compels you to communicate with like minded sufferers in this forum?
Seeking now to understand my addiction and not to simply wallow in it, I remain yours truly,
Cheryl
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Posted by kathleen on October 05, 1996 at 07:39:06:
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: : I thought it interesting that Lizzie, who kept telling Jane that anyone who had seen Jane and Bingley together could not doubt that he loved her, yet she appears completely unaware that the same is true of those who see L & D together.
: : Joan, too
: Emma has the same problem. She is very quick to fancy other
: people are in love with eachother, but doesn't realize that
: Mr. Knightly is in love with her, or that she is in live
: with him.
: Ann
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Agree -- these are instances of Jane Austen's heroines being to busy "reading" other people's
"stories" instead of becoming the heroine in their own stories. (Actually, Emma doesn't just
want to "read" other people's stories, she thinks she should write, direct, and produce them!)
kathleen
Posted by Kathy on October 05, 1996 at 07:40:35:
: :
: : Baseball?? Who cares about baseball?
: : Go Green Bay!
: : The Pack is back!!
: : This is the year of the cheese!!!
: : Ann (a proud cheese-head)
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: Football indeed -- but my Cornhuskers have slipped in the
: college rankings.
: kathleen (a Nebraskan currently located in western Maryland)
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The PACK is back. Cheesehead transplanted to Gainesville, Fl (Ted Bundy, Danny Rollings, River Pheonix,Tom Petty, Gators, Richard from Caroline in the City, and Dr. Morganstern? on ER., #1 place to live - last year, if you like serial killers I guess) Lived in Dallas too, loved that old pitcher, whats his name?
Posted by kathleen on October 05, 1996 at 07:48:59:
: What is it fellow Janites, about *you* that makes you watch these films over and over again, and compels you to communicate with like minded sufferers in this forum?
: Seeking now to understand my addiction and not to simply wallow in it, I remain yours truly,
: Cheryl
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I cannot determine the reason for my addiction, but it has been w/ me for a long time. I fell in love
with this story when I first read it at age 13, and have come back to it over and over -- when I am
happy, or sad, or when I just need a break. I will read, watch, listen to anything by or about Jane
Austen. Of course, a good movie adaptation is heaven.
This group makes the addiction more enjoyable, because I don't have to worry about boring non-
believers with my feelings.
Jane Austen's work is not just romance -- if that were all, I doubt most of us would be here. Her
novels all end happily, but it seems right because we care so much about the characters. I have
felt like Elizabeth & Jane, Darcy & Bingley (and the heroines & heroes from the other novels) are
old friends of mine.
Anyway, I'm not sure we are meant to understand this addiction -- but we can enjoy it nonetheless!
kathleen
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Posted by Diana on October 05, 1996 at 10:10:24:
: I was having yet another quick fix yesterday and saw the apology scene with Darcy and Bingley - I like this scene so much!! What gentlemanike behavior is shown here!!! Through the entire story Darcy's influence over Bingley is obvious, yet Darcy is never disrespectful to Bingley. Especially in this scene - I know Darcy has experienced some change in his basic make-up, but i appreciate how he is willing to humble himself to his friend. A necessary evil in relationships - the ability and need to be able to confess your wrongdoings and be forgiven. I think this is a good example of how much he has really changed.
: Sarah
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Do you really thinkk so? I viewed it as more of the scene where Bingley finally realizes what a prodigious interest and good deal of care which Darcy takes of him. perhaps at last Bingley will grow up at not be under the power of Darcy or his sisters anymore. This attitude is seen most clearly displayed in Bingley's hesitation when Darcy asks if Bingley needs his blessing re: Jane. He hesitates before he decides that its not necessary. Darcy has cut Bingley's apron strings, and the man is left to fend for himself.
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Posted by Diana on October 05, 1996 at 10:28:19:
Johanna and all,
I cannot tell you how sorry I am for the actions of my brother. He thinks he is an expert in computers, but, to relieve your fears, has no ides about viruses, or anything else. I am very sorry that you recieved any prank messages, and I promise it will never happen again. I can do no more than offer this apology. I am very embarassed by this. Please forgive me and my brother. He is thirteen, and acts inappropriately sometimes, thinking he is playing a joke. His own apology is included below.
Diana
I am also sorry. I wasn't actually going to send you a virus. It was more of a joke. sorry again.
Luke
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