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Posted by Ann on October 04, 1996 at 12:22:36:
: ...imagine Mr. Collins bumbling around in his long
: night shirt, trying to be romantic in a condesending sort of way!
: Just my ramblings.... ;-)
: Bea
Add to the mental picture a nice night cap covering his oily hair.
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 04, 1996 at 12:35:33:
: I love this line in the book too.
: "they soon drew from those inquiries the full conviction that one of them at least knew what it was to love. Of the lady's sensations they remained a little in doubt; but that the gentleman was overflowing with admiration was evident enough."
I love that line!!!
Definitely among my favorites.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 04, 1996 at 12:43:43:
: : I'm new here. But I have a question...What does Darcy mean after
: : he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."? I
: : like this scene but am puzzled by it's meaning. (This happens in
: : the fifth episode, after Lizzy and the Gardiners are seen on
: : their way to Derbyshire.)
Is it just me or is Baines a lousy fencer!! He seems to be
pretty bad at it.
(But then I may be getting picky from watching too much
"Highlander")
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 04, 1996 at 12:45:40:
: I think Firth is a wonderful actor but I must agree that Darcy
: is my real attraction. I've seen other films of him but it's just not the same.
Ditto.
Ann
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Posted by Mary on October 04, 1996 at 12:48:25:
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: :
: : : Just so everyone saw this in the end of Ch. 57 Mr Bennet reads Mr Collins to Lizzy after it is finished Mr Bennet say "The rest of his letter is only about hid dear Charlotte's situation, and his expectation of a young olive-branch." So Charlotte is indeed pregnant.
: : : Laura
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: :
: : And that's why it was so extra abominably rude for Miss DeBourgh to keep Charlotte out in all that wind.
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: No, that was in March. Too early.
: We missed you, Laura.
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So does that mean that Mr. Collins and Charlotte had to have um, known each other (in the Biblical sense) while Lizzy was under their roof? That borders on kinky for a Regency novel.
Mary
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Posted by Laura M on October 04, 1996 at 12:51:41:
Amy, thank you for your kind words, I have been missing, but I have also been lurking. So many people have joined this BB in the last few weeks that it has become so overwhelming. I have most enjoyed the threads that are going one. I have not watched Enchanted April. I inadvertently watched P&P1 (again). I will not participate in the virtual read as I have already read P&P 2x this year. My daughter wants me to read it to her and she is only 5 1/2 yo. Well once again, thank Amy, this BB is doing great you are to be most wonderfully commended. I especially like how the Mysterious HC comes and help out of crises when needed. Though, where was he during the Charlotte is pregnant thread. Well enough for know. Welcome all the new posters to this BB your insight is very refreshing. Laura
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Posted by Bea on October 04, 1996 at 12:58:03:
Hi all,
I just got my videos from Critics Choice today (Friday).
I ordered on Monday. I received Persuasion and S&S both
for 19.95 each. Persuasion with Amanda Root, although as Mich pointed
out Amanda Root is not on the cover! S&S is the version with
Emma Thompson!
Bea
Posted by Jane on October 04, 1996 at 13:25:21:
: So does that mean that Mr. Collins and Charlotte had to have um, known each other (in the Biblical sense) while Lizzy was under their roof? That borders on kinky for a Regency novel.
: Mary
I hate to think too much about the drawbacks of making a financially prudent marriage such as poor Charlotte's. My dear hope is that Mr. Collins was too busy planning compliments for Lady C. to make demands on Charlotte very often.
Bye the way, wasn't it creepy the way Mr. Collins said "bedchamber" when he showed Lizzy her room? Kind of salacious, I thought. Sorry if this was mentioned before, I haven't read the Mr. Collins thread, in part because he is so unattractive.
Jane
Posted by DonnaT on October 04, 1996 at 13:27:17:
: : : I don't know if this has been discussed, but it has always seemed odd to me that Wickham and Lydia's hurry-up wedding in Cheapside would not have been presided over by the same minister as the Double weddings in Meryton, also the location looks the same. Any feedback?
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: : As I understand it, ministers were attached to particular churches (livings) and whatever went on in a particular church was presided over by the one who had that living. So a clergyman from Meryton would not have presided over a wedding in a church in Cheapside.
: : Joan, too
:
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: I watched both wedding again, are you sure it's the same man?
: They look a bit alike but I think it's two different actors.
: Mich
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I watched both scenes again, same actor different locations. I got out my copy of Making of P & P and it just lists one actor under credits for "priest". I am making too much ado about nothing, who am I to critique such a wonderful production.. DonnaT
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Posted by DonnaT on October 04, 1996 at 13:35:00:
I want to thank you also for this BB, it makes my day. You helped me get a copy of Making of P & P and i love the insights and lightheartedness of your BBgroup. Keep up great work!!DonnaT
Posted by Cheryl on October 04, 1996 at 13:36:12:
: : To keep up with the new messages. After you send a message should
: : you go to message or back to P&Pbb by doing that will you see your
: : message or any new ones.
: : Donna,
:
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: I go through the entire page (til everything is blue and not black and blue)
: and then reload to read anything new. Then reload to see if anything snuck
: in. Once everything stays blue then I finally decide I can get out.
: Anne
: (On my screen new entries are black and viewed entries are blue)
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I confess that I do the same thing, Anne, except my read messages are in a lovely shade of mint green. I reload at least twice when I visit this BB and am very disappointed when I have to at last admit that I have read everything and will have to wait until later in the day to get more. But to paraphrase Mary, "these little trials are sent to teach us fortitude."
Cheryl
Posted by Amy on October 04, 1996 at 14:07:02:
Ann said:
: Is it just me or is Baines a lousy fencer!! He seems to be
: pretty bad at it.
Fine points of fencing I don't know but I have noticed how he bows and scrapes to Darcy. Austen never shows Darcy interacting with anyone outside his class so this is Davies' chance to let us see how he is perceived in the wider world. It has crossed my P&P-addled brain that the fencing master* would have to teach such a man in a servile way and let him look good. (Not hard to do in this case). It reminds me of Salieri describing how grateful and lucky he felt to hold the post of court composer in Amadeus. "Correcting the royal fingering."
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*How do you know how his name is spelled?
: (But then I may be getting picky from watching too much
: "Highlander")
Then you probably liked Braveheart. I never understood the appeal of Mel Gibson til I saw it. Fave line: "If you run...
you'll live." (pronounced "luff")
Amy
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Posted by Barb on October 04, 1996 at 14:35:03:
:
: : I think Firth is a wonderful actor but I must agree that Darcy
: : is my real attraction. I've seen other films of him but it's just not the same.
:
: Ditto.
: Ann
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Sure, P&P 2 is Firth's most appealing & flattering role to date, but if you've seen him in other films it's amazing what a fine actor he is,inhabiting such a variety of roles - the movies may not all be great but in every one he does an excellent job. It's hard to believe that Simon in "Circle of Friends" is played by the same actor who plays Darcy in P&P2 or John McCarthy in "Hostages" or Adrian in "Apartment Zero, justifying all praise of his acting talents.
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Posted by Mich on October 04, 1996 at 14:43:54:
:
: : : : I don't know if this has been discussed, but it has always seemed odd to me that Wickham and Lydia's hurry-up wedding in Cheapside would not have been presided over by the same minister as the Double weddings in Meryton, also the location looks the same. Any feedback?
: : :
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: : : As I understand it, ministers were attached to particular churches (livings) and whatever went on in a particular church was presided over by the one who had that living. So a clergyman from Meryton would not have presided over a wedding in a church in Cheapside.
: : : Joan, too
: :
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: : I watched both wedding again, are you sure it's the same man?
: : They look a bit alike but I think it's two different actors.
: : Mich
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: I watched both scenes again, same actor different locations. I got out my copy of Making of P & P and it just lists one actor under credits for "priest". I am making too much ado about nothing, who am I to critique such a wonderful production.. DonnaT
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That would explain why they look so much alike.
Mich
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Posted by Marsha on October 04, 1996 at 15:11:52:
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: : : : I'm new here. But I have a question...What does Darcy mean after
: : : : he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."? I
: : : : like this scene but am puzzled by it's meaning. (This happens in
: : : : the fifth episode, after Lizzy and the Gardiners are seen on
: : : : their way to Derbyshire.)
: : : ___
: : : ___
: : :This is just an *a propos* (I don't have italics) thought. I take beginning fencing, and I just thought, that besides my interest in his reasons in this scene, I take my hat off (metaphorically) for Darcy's knowing how to fence at all!!!! It requires lots of coordination, quickness and strength (at least more than I have)
(I have to stop typing this one, to rub my sore sword-arm muscles... My respect for every fencer increased 2000 times since I took the class!!!!!!!!
Marsha
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Posted by Marsha on October 04, 1996 at 15:19:08:
: :
: : : Until I read a couple of the Austen books and re-read them and watched her movies - oh about 100 times, did I not realize to what degree, back then, how important marrying the 'right' sort of person was.
: : ___________________
: : I suppose there also must have been a different standard of happiness. Not necessarily lower then than it is now. Just different.
: : Amy
:
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: Agreed, and in books, as with travel, you find there is a different world out there to which one
: might not be used to.
: Bea
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I am not sure if I could 'adjust' to the era, if it meant being happy with Mr Collins' attentions. I always used to thing that it is better to marry anyone, who isn't "naturally bad" than not marry at all, esp. in 19th cent, but after getting to know Mr Collins, I found out I was wrong.
Marsha
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Posted by Ray on October 04, 1996 at 15:21:17:
: : ...imagine Mr. Collins bumbling around in his long
: : night shirt, trying to be romantic in a condesending sort of way!
: : Just my ramblings.... ;-)
: : Bea
:
: Add to the mental picture a nice night cap covering his oily hair.
: Ann
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Mr. C. is sooo eeeeager to pleeease, maybe Charlotte was just being her practical self with this quality in mind.
Posted by Ray on October 04, 1996 at 15:21:18:
: : ...imagine Mr. Collins bumbling around in his long
: : night shirt, trying to be romantic in a condesending sort of way!
: : Just my ramblings.... ;-)
: : Bea
:
: Add to the mental picture a nice night cap covering his oily hair.
: Ann
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Mr. C. is sooo eeeeager to pleeease, maybe Charlotte was just being her practical self with this quality in mind.
Posted by Marsha on October 04, 1996 at 15:22:32:
: : : Show off!
: : : Cheryl
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: : I cannot abide that sort of peacocking either, my dear. We must tell Anne, as a friend, that we do not believe all her assertions that she can read the Compleat Works of Shakespere in a single hour. Why, I know for certain it takes me nearly two.
: : Amy
: :
:
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:
: No, No -- Bill takes a *little* longer.
: Seriously, I think that the reason P&P went so fast (other than the fact that I
: do read quickly due to years of practice) is that I have seen the series so many
: times the language and rhythm flowed along. The first time that I tried to read
: P&P (after seeing P&P1) it went much slower and I finally gave up.
: I have received my other videos (Northanger Abbey, Mansfield Park, etc)
: and can't decide whether to see the videos first or read the books first.
: Any ideas? How do they compare?
: Anne
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I think you should read NA first, since it's better than the video, and I would read MP first, just to see what JA expressed. But whichever way you do it, have a great time!
Marsha
Posted by Marsha on October 04, 1996 at 15:24:21:
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: : :
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: : My point, although perhaps poorly articulated was, had Mr. Collins, in his misunderstandings (and condesension -- ooh, I love that word!),
: : gone to Mr. Bennet and told him that Lizzy had accepted him, would Mr. Bennet have consented!
: : Bea
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: I am certain that he would not have (although Mr. Collins might have thought he had!), as he would not have believed Elizabeth had
: accepted. I was thinking that he might have enjoyed having Mr. Collins as a son-in-law (he could always ridicule him w/o Collins having
: a clue), but not as the husband of his favorite daughter -- he would do for Mary, certainly.
: kathleen
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I agree. He only consented to darcy, because he thought she wanted him
Marsha
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