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Posted by Brigid on October 04, 1996 at 07:51:40:
: I recently read an article on the internet from an article in
: a London newpaper. It said that Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle fell
: in love while filming P&P, but have since broken up.
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If I were her (or him) I can't imagine not falling in love while P&P. Actors are always being consumes by their roles.
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Posted by BRIGID on October 04, 1996 at 08:02:07:
: Mr. Gardiner looked at Darcy and knew Darcy "knows what it is to love".
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: That look is in there! Yes. It is. On the couch. Mr G glance to his left, sees the Darcy look that melts us all, and smiles as if to say, "Good. He is smitten. I am happy for it."
: Amy
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I just noticed that look the other day. What I am consistently impressed with in P&P2 is that it really holds up to this kind of examination. Almost all of the actors regardless of the sizes of their roles are really
committed to their roles. Sometimes you can watch plays or movies and when it isn't someone's "scene" they don't look like they are even listening.
Brigid
Posted by Bea on October 04, 1996 at 08:03:01:
: I am planning to make a "Jane Austen tour of England" in conjunction with an independent study project. Is anyone familiar with England that could give me recommendations onwhat I should make a point to see?
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I would suggest Bath. I only wish when I had gone there, I had an inkling of who Jane Austen was. I went during college on Spring Break, and did not know
the joys of any Austen novels then. In this case, I guess, youth sometimes, IS wasted on the young....
(sigh)
Have fun!
Bea
Posted by Amy on October 04, 1996 at 08:05:58:
: Until I read a couple of the Austen books and re-read them and watched her movies - oh about 100 times, did I not realize to what degree, back then, how important marrying the 'right' sort of person was.
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I suppose there also must have been a different standard of happiness. Not necessarily lower then than it is now. Just different.
Amy
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Posted by Lori T on October 04, 1996 at 09:32:04:
Amy
: No need to apologise so much, there's nothing to forgive. We all had a good time with it, and it brought out Arnessa's plot.
: Besides, who take? What heavy? What heart? I don't see or hear the wrath or come-downance or fire breathing or snarling that you perceive. If we are doing anything, it's testifying to our devotion to JA and her inimitable way of spinning a yarn.
I agree! It was all done in fun!!!
Posted by Stefanie on October 04, 1996 at 09:42:38:
: I wish they had included something about how the Gardiners noticed Darcy's affection for Lizzie at Pemberly. I think the like in Austen is something like: Mr. Gardiner looked at Darcy and knew Darcy "knows what it is to love". It might have been Mrs. Gardiner who "thought" it, but it really melted me that first time I read it. It softened my few of Darcy so much. Of course, in the mini-series you could see all that in Colin Firth's face, but I think they should have seen the Gardiners acknowledging it.
: Sandra
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I love this line in the book too.
"they soon drew from those inquiries the full conviction that one of them at least knew what it was to love. Of the lady's sensations they remained a little in doubt; but that the gentleman was overflowing with admiration was evident enough."
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Posted by Stefanie on October 04, 1996 at 09:46:05:
: Isn't it out of character for Miss Bingley? I can't imagine her helping any other female to snare a husband first?
: Marsha
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Even though it's not really the same thing, she did try to hook her brother up with Georgiana. (This, however, was not without it's own self-severing purposes.)
Stefanie
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Posted by Bea on October 04, 1996 at 09:46:11:
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: : Until I read a couple of the Austen books and re-read them and watched her movies - oh about 100 times, did I not realize to what degree, back then, how important marrying the 'right' sort of person was.
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: I suppose there also must have been a different standard of happiness. Not necessarily lower then than it is now. Just different.
: Amy
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Agreed, and in books, as with travel, you find there is a different world out there to which one
might not be used to.
Bea
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Posted by Laura M on October 04, 1996 at 10:13:45:
Just so everyone saw this in the end of Ch. 57 Mr Bennet reads Mr Collins to Lizzy after it is finished Mr Bennet say "The rest of his letter is only about hid dear Charlotte's situation, and his expectation of a young olive-branch." So Charlotte is indeed pregnant.
Laura
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Posted by Brigid on October 04, 1996 at 10:40:41:
: : I'm new here. But I have a question...What does Darcy mean after
: : he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."? I
: : like this scene but am puzzled by it's meaning. (This happens in
: : the fifth episode, after Lizzy and the Gardiners are seen on
: : their way to Derbyshire.)
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: Mari says:
: In the fencing scene, I believe Darcy is desperately trying to forget Lizzie, and is using physical exertion to take his mind off her. He is trying to conquer his obsession for her. I guess it's the 19th century equivalent of a cold shower!!_____________
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I think that whatt he has trying to conquer was his excessive pride and arrogant manner so that he would be worthy of Lizzie
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Posted by Brigid on October 04, 1996 at 10:52:14:
: : Melbourne Florida - sunshine, space shuttles, mouse ears,
: : and retirees
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: Hey, maybe we should all do that:
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Boston, Massachusetts
Posted by kathleen on October 04, 1996 at 10:54:15:
: I have received my other videos (Northanger Abbey, Mansfield Park, etc)
: and can't decide whether to see the videos first or read the books first.
: Any ideas? How do they compare?
: Anne
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Personal view: Read NA before watching the video, but watch MP before reading the novel
Northanger Abbey is an "fun" book, and I liked it better than the video (although not nearly so well as P&P2, of course).
Mansfield Park is a longer work, both book and video, but the video was well done. (The actress who plays Aunt Norris
was especially good.)
Whichever direction you choose, enjoy!
kathleen
Posted by kathleen on October 04, 1996 at 10:59:08:
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: My point, although perhaps poorly articulated was, had Mr. Collins, in his misunderstandings (and condesension -- ooh, I love that word!),
: gone to Mr. Bennet and told him that Lizzy had accepted him, would Mr. Bennet have consented!
: Bea
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I am certain that he would not have (although Mr. Collins might have thought he had!), as he would not have believed Elizabeth had
accepted. I was thinking that he might have enjoyed having Mr. Collins as a son-in-law (he could always ridicule him w/o Collins having
a clue), but not as the husband of his favorite daughter -- he would do for Mary, certainly.
kathleen
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Posted by Amy on October 04, 1996 at 11:18:34:
: Just so everyone saw this in the end of Ch. 57 Mr Bennet reads Mr Collins to Lizzy after it is finished Mr Bennet say "The rest of his letter is only about hid dear Charlotte's situation, and his expectation of a young olive-branch." So Charlotte is indeed pregnant.
: Laura
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And that's why it was so extra abominably rude for Miss DeBourgh to keep Charlotte out in all that wind.
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Posted by Amy on October 04, 1996 at 11:20:30:
: : : I'm new here. But I have a question...What does Darcy mean after
: : : he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."? I
: : : like this scene but am puzzled by it's meaning. (This happens in
: : : the fifth episode, after Lizzy and the Gardiners are seen on
: : : their way to Derbyshire.)
: : ___
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: : Mari says:
: : In the fencing scene, I believe Darcy is desperately trying to forget Lizzie, and is using physical exertion to take his mind off her. He is trying to conquer his obsession for her. I guess it's the 19th century equivalent of a cold shower!!_____________
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: I think that whatt he has trying to conquer was his excessive pride and arrogant manner so that he would be worthy of Lizzie
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Wait a second. Am I dreaming or did we just go through this?
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Posted by Amy on October 04, 1996 at 11:26:15:
:
: : Just so everyone saw this in the end of Ch. 57 Mr Bennet reads Mr Collins to Lizzy after it is finished Mr Bennet say "The rest of his letter is only about hid dear Charlotte's situation, and his expectation of a young olive-branch." So Charlotte is indeed pregnant.
: : Laura
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: And that's why it was so extra abominably rude for Miss DeBourgh to keep Charlotte out in all that wind.
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No, that was in March. Too early.
We missed you, Laura.
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Posted by Mich on October 04, 1996 at 11:56:22:
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: : : So, I don't see what possible plot a sequel could have.
: : : I believe other attempts at a sequel have involved either
: : : marital problems or problems with their children. The first
: : : would not please me, and the second would have little to do
: : : with P&P.
: : : Ann
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: : Seeing Georgiana isn't interested in him, they're not about to let him get away. Anne and Miss Bingley become fast friends. Miss Bingley decides to secretly help Anne snare the Earl.
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: Isn't it out of character for Miss Bingley? I can't imagine her helping any other female to snare a husband first?
: Marsha
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Not unless it would bother Mrs.Darcy. I think she would take great joy in getting under Lizzies skin.
Posted by Mich on October 04, 1996 at 12:02:02:
: : : I feel the same addiction to the movie and I can't seem to
: : : explain it to my friends or family. I found another movie
: : : with Colin Firth in it , Circle of Friends, but don't bother
: : : because he just isn't Darcy and I ended up disappointed.
: :
: Have you ever seen A Month in the Country or Femme Fatale? He had no soul in Circle of Friends, but he was wonderful in the other two I mentioned. He played the sweetest man in Femme Fatale, a blond. In a Month in the Country, he looked at Natasha Richardson with the those same soulful looks as he gave Lizzie.
: Sandra
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I think Firth is a wonderful actor but I must agree that Darcy
is my real attraction. I've seen other films of him but it's just not the same.
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Posted by Mich on October 04, 1996 at 12:07:56:
: : I don't know if this has been discussed, but it has always seemed odd to me that Wickham and Lydia's hurry-up wedding in Cheapside would not have been presided over by the same minister as the Double weddings in Meryton, also the location looks the same. Any feedback?
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: As I understand it, ministers were attached to particular churches (livings) and whatever went on in a particular church was presided over by the one who had that living. So a clergyman from Meryton would not have presided over a wedding in a church in Cheapside.
: Joan, too
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I watched both wedding again, are you sure it's the same man?
They look a bit alike but I think it's two different actors.
Mich
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