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Posted by Saman on October 03, 1996 at 22:43:06:
: While watching this and reading this section in the book, it struck me a little odd that Mr.
: Bennet gives his consent to Darcy about marrying Lizzy
: as Mr. Bennet's first sentences to Lizzy, immediately afterwards are "Lizzy, what are you
: doing? Are you out of your senses, to be accepting this man?" What if Mr. Collins
: had gone to Mr. Bennet before Mrs. Bennet did and told Mr. Bennet
: that Lizzy had accepted him (as only Mr. Collins in his condesension could believe)! Would Mr. Bennet have consented to
: Mr. Collins as well? I hope not! Perhaps only b/c Mr. Collins was definately not
: a "sensible" man and ... of course did not have 10,000 a year.
: Bea
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I haven't seen this part of P&P2 yet - it's going to screen here in NZ on Sunday :) - but in the book Mr. Bennet also says "I have given him my consent. He is the kind of man, indeed, to whom I should never dare refuse any thing, which he condescended to ask."
Posted by Joan, too on October 03, 1996 at 22:45:58:
: : I am so very sorry about the sequels......you people take this too heavy to heart. Nothing will fabricate from this, it was just a mere suggestion. It came to me because i had a dream that I was Darcy an Lizzy's child one night, and ever since then have been obsessed with the idea of creating the perfect sequel!
: : - Maureen :)
: : "Smile - it increases your face value
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: Whatya mean that was fun. Mr. Collins ended up with 10 daughters.
: ciao Donna,
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... and all of them naturally bad, too! ;- )
Joan, too
(yes, poor Charlotte.)
Posted by Saman on October 03, 1996 at 22:52:34:
: While watching this and reading this section in the book, it struck me a little odd that Mr.
: Bennet gives his consent to Darcy about marrying Lizzy
: as Mr. Bennet's first sentences to Lizzy, immediately afterwards are "Lizzy, what are you
: doing? Are you out of your senses, to be accepting this man?" What if Mr. Collins
: had gone to Mr. Bennet before Mrs. Bennet did and told Mr. Bennet
: that Lizzy had accepted him (as only Mr. Collins in his condesension could believe)! Would Mr. Bennet have consented to
: Mr. Collins as well? I hope not! Perhaps only b/c Mr. Collins was definately not
: a "sensible" man and ... of course did not have 10,000 a year.
: Bea
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I haven't seen this part of P&P2 yet - it's going to screen here in NZ on Sunday :) - but in the book Mr. Bennet also says "I have given him my consent. He is the kind of man, indeed, to whom I should never dare refuse any thing, which he condescended to ask."
Posted by Sandra on October 03, 1996 at 22:58:44:
: : I feel the same addiction to the movie and I can't seem to
: : explain it to my friends or family. I found another movie
: : with Colin Firth in it , Circle of Friends, but don't bother
: : because he just isn't Darcy and I ended up disappointed.
:
Have you ever seen A Month in the Country or Femme Fatale? He had no soul in Circle of Friends, but he was wonderful in the other two I mentioned. He played the sweetest man in Femme Fatale, a blond. In a Month in the Country, he looked at Natasha Richardson with the those same soulful looks as he gave Lizzie.
Sandra
Posted by Sandra on October 03, 1996 at 23:10:32:
Amy
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: I also loved the section when Darcy was talking with Mr. Gardiner. He is not a man to be trifled with. I do miss the subtext that was in the book however with regard to the Gardiners. I liked the fact that they caught right away that Darcy was in love with Lizzie and that that is part of the reason that Mr. Gardiner gives in.
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I wish they had included something about how the Gardiners noticed Darcy's affection for Lizzie at Pemberly. I think the like in Austen is something like: Mr. Gardiner looked at Darcy and knew Darcy "knows what it is to love". It might have been Mrs. Gardiner who "thought" it, but it really melted me that first time I read it. It softened my few of Darcy so much. Of course, in the mini-series you could see all that in Colin Firth's face, but I think they should have seen the Gardiners acknowledging it.
Sandra
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Posted by Donna on October 03, 1996 at 23:26:12:
To keep up with the new messages. After you send a message should
you go to message or back to P&Pbb by doing that will you see your
message or any new ones.
Donna,
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Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 23:31:05:
Mr. Gardiner looked at Darcy and knew Darcy "knows what it is to love".
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That look is in there! Yes. It is. On the couch. Mr G glance to his left, sees the Darcy look that melts us all, and smiles as if to say, "Good. He is smitten. I am happy for it."
Amy
Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 23:36:36:
or back to P&Pbb by doing that will you see your
: message or any new ones.
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Amy
Posted by Cheryl on October 03, 1996 at 23:42:03:
: : I do not wish to sound like a teacher or a mom, but has everyone started their 12 chapters due to be read by Sunday.
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: Thought that I'd do it on Saturday so it would be fresh. Only
: took me a day to read the whole thing so I figured that I could
: read the chapters, watch the tape and then read the chapters
: again.
: Anne
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Show off!
Cheryl
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Posted by Cheryl on October 03, 1996 at 23:53:43:
: It also seems as if Jane may be trying to help Mary "snare" Mr. C. - when Lizzie, Kitty and Lydia are out in the garden with the officers, and Mr. C. and Wickham are competing for Lizzie's attention as they stroll, Jane comes out and "claims" Mr. C. for her sister Mary, who simply can't understand a passage in Fordyce's Sermons. (Or is Jane perhaps trying to divert him away from Lizzie? Or both?
: Joan, too
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I always felt that Jane was trying to give Lizzy a break from Mr. Collins and let her have some time alone with Wickham, whom Jane knew Lizzy admired and wanted to get to know better.
Cheryl
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Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 23:54:29:
: Show off!
: Cheryl
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I cannot abide that sort of peacocking either, my dear. We must tell Anne, as a friend, that we do not believe all her assertions that she can read the Compleat Works of Shakespere in a single hour. Why, I know for certain it takes me nearly two.
Amy
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Posted by Marsha on October 04, 1996 at 01:23:58:
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: I always felt that Jane was trying to give Lizzy a break from Mr. Collins and let her have some time alone with Wickham, whom Jane knew Lizzy admired and wanted to get to know better.
: Cheryl
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But how did she manage to get Mary participate? Was her perplexity real, or was it a white lie on Jane's part, or maybe both (e.g. Mary was reading them, and thought something unclear, and Jane volunteered to ask)? It always interested me. And if it wasn't a lie, I would sure love to see the scene where Mr Collins explains sermons to Mary.
Marsha
P.S. She WOULD make an ideal wife for him, because she obviously wouldn't object to his "reading from Fordyce's sermons every night. Before they go to bed." (in Lydia's inimitable words.)
P.P.S. this is terrible! I am sending a message at 2 am, but after typing up my chem paper in the computer lab for 2 hrs, I needes some cheer!
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Posted by Marsha on October 04, 1996 at 01:29:14:
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: I agree - she would have taken him for anyone, to be rid of that entailment!
: (And much as one may hate to admit it, it was rather decent, if not noble, of Mr. C. to try to make amends for the entailment by choosing a wife from among Mr. B's daughters.)
: Joan, too
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But isn't it just all of his personality in this action: only Mr C. could have thought of such a way of "amends." (Besides he had to marry someone-Lady Catherine spoke, with great condescention, to him on the subject, "Mr Collins, you must marry..." and the Bennet girls were the most available) But of course, it MIGHT be nice (much as it pains me to admit it)
Marsha
Posted by Joan, too on October 04, 1996 at 01:36:29:
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: : I always felt that Jane was trying to give Lizzy a break from Mr. Collins and let her have some time alone with Wickham, whom Jane knew Lizzy admired and wanted to get to know better.
: : Cheryl
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: But how did she manage to get Mary participate?
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Mary just must have been interested in him - she would never have gone along with it otherwise - she cares nothing for all of that trivial "society" stuff - she would much prefer a book. I am reminding myself to pay more attention to Mary in the book when we get to this part of the read-along.
Joan, too
Posted by Chris on October 04, 1996 at 07:26:20:
I am planning to make a "Jane Austen tour of England" in conjunction with an independent study project. Is anyone familiar with England that could give me recommendations onwhat I should make a point to see?
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Posted by Anne on October 04, 1996 at 07:28:24:
: : Show off!
: : Cheryl
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: I cannot abide that sort of peacocking either, my dear. We must tell Anne, as a friend, that we do not believe all her assertions that she can read the Compleat Works of Shakespere in a single hour. Why, I know for certain it takes me nearly two.
: Amy
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No, No -- Bill takes a *little* longer.
Seriously, I think that the reason P&P went so fast (other than the fact that I
do read quickly due to years of practice) is that I have seen the series so many
times the language and rhythm flowed along. The first time that I tried to read
P&P (after seeing P&P1) it went much slower and I finally gave up.
I have received my other videos (Northanger Abbey, Mansfield Park, etc)
and can't decide whether to see the videos first or read the books first.
Any ideas? How do they compare?
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 04, 1996 at 07:37:23:
: Amy
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: : I also loved the section when Darcy was talking with Mr. Gardiner. He is not a man to be trifled with. I do miss the subtext that was in the book however with regard to the Gardiners. I liked the fact that they caught right away that Darcy was in love with Lizzie and that that is part of the reason that Mr. Gardiner gives in.
:
: ___________________
: I wish they had included something about how the Gardiners noticed Darcy's affection for Lizzie at Pemberly. I think the like in Austen is something like: Mr. Gardiner looked at Darcy and knew Darcy "knows what it is to love". It might have been Mrs. Gardiner who "thought" it, but it really melted me that first time I read it. It softened my few of Darcy so much. Of course, in the mini-series you could see all that in Colin Firth's face, but I think they should have seen the Gardiners acknowledging it.
: Sandra
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I believe that Mrs. Gardiner had an inkling. When Darcy is showing them down to the lake and Mrs. Gardiner comments on the fact that he is not
as proud and cold as she was led to believe - Lizzy says that she cannot understand the change and Mrs. Gardiner says
"Can you not?" and gives her a look that led *me* to believe that she could tell very well what was going on.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 04, 1996 at 07:40:28:
: To keep up with the new messages. After you send a message should
: you go to message or back to P&Pbb by doing that will you see your
: message or any new ones.
: Donna,
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I go through the entire page (til everything is blue and not black and blue)
and then reload to read anything new. Then reload to see if anything snuck
in. Once everything stays blue then I finally decide I can get out.
Anne
(On my screen new entries are black and viewed entries are blue)
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Posted by Bea on October 04, 1996 at 07:45:05:
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Egads! Perish the thought.... could you imagine??? I know that Charlotte isn't
the 'romantic type', but imagine Mr. Collins bumbling around in his long
night shirt, trying to be romantic in a condesending sort of way!
Until I read a couple of the Austen books and re-read them and watched her movies - oh about 100
times, did I not realize to what degree, back then, how important marrying the 'right' sort of
person was. What an awkward position women must have been in, with no jobs to provide for their
own security.
Just my ramblings.... ;-)
Bea
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Posted by Bea on October 04, 1996 at 07:51:22:
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My point, although perhaps poorly articulated was, had Mr. Collins, in his misunderstandings (and condesension -- ooh, I love that word!),
gone to Mr. Bennet and told him that Lizzy had accepted him, would Mr. Bennet have consented!
Bea
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