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Posted by Maureen on October 03, 1996 at 21:08:41:
: : It's amazing the little things you notice on the nth time watching
: : PP2. I normally just start with video 3 and go to the end as that
: : is my favorite part of the show. However, I was watching the first
: : episodes again and love the way Mr. Darcy rolls his eyes back when
: : Mrs. Bennet is speaking after visiting Jane at Netherfield.
: : Anne
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: He also does something like that when Lizzy is playing the Piano-forte
: with Colonel Fitz. and 'flirting' with Darcy; Lady C. calls in and
: demands to know what they are talking about.
: Bea
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i believe DArcy does that when Mr. Collins first introduces himself to Darcy at the Netherfield ball. Lizzy seems to do an exhorbunant amoubnt of eye rolling ( especially when Bingley returns to Netherfield and first visits the Bennets).
-Maureen
Posted by Marsha on October 03, 1996 at 21:09:33:
: Everyone, I am sorry about starting the insane notion that their shoul be a sequel! Jeesh, I was only trying to make conversation. Some of you take so much offense to the idea that P&P shoul be expaneded. With all the Austen-maniz right now, it would provide more jobs and more creativity to the people invovled in the production.
: I reread my copy of P&P (the first book for those of you who don't know there are sequels - I was nagged about calling P&P the first book) and it doesn't say anything about Charlotte being pregnant. What I got this from was the following quote in chapter 60, the last time they are mentioned:
: "Before any answer could arrive from Mr Collins, or any congratulations to Elizabeth, from his wife, the Longbourn family heard that the Collises were come themselves to Lucas lodege. The reason for this sudden removal was soon evident. Lady Catherine had been rendered so exceedingly angry by the contents of her nephew's letter, that Charlotte, really rejoicing in the match, was anxious to get away till the storm was blown over. At such a moment, the arrival....."
: And so on. If anyone can find another passage to prove me wrong, so be it, i'll take your word for it.
: An listen, i'm really sorry if I cause anyone any heartache about the entire sequel thing!! I thought it ha some great conversations in it!! And some brilliant ieas too!! We should keep at it!!!
: And BTW, I did watch Vol.6 again and Miss Bingley an Col. Fitzwilliam were standing a little too close for comfort. I believe they were engaged. But that is MY opinion.
: I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE SOME FEEBACK!!!!!
: Sorry for all the trouble,
: Maureen :(
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I don't have the book by me, but I had an impression she was, and she certainly is in the P&P2. Mr Bennet, when reading to Lizzie Mr Collins' letter about Darcy, tells, that the rest is of "his dear Charlotte & his expectztion of a young olive branch" (Not exact quote) Since Mr Collins, was the original olive branch, I suppose it means she is Pregnant.
Marsha
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Posted by Ann on October 03, 1996 at 21:13:51:
: I don't have the book by me, but I had an impression she was, and she certainly is in the P&P2. Mr Bennet, when reading to Lizzie Mr Collins' letter about Darcy, tells, that the rest is of "his dear Charlotte & his expectztion of a young olive branch" (Not exact quote) Since Mr Collins, was the original olive branch, I suppose it means she is Pregnant.
: Marsha
The line is as follows:
"The rest of his letter is only about his dear Charlotte's
situation, and his expectation of a young olive branch."
"Situation" of course being a euphamism for having a bun
in the oven.
Ann
Posted by Ann on October 03, 1996 at 21:16:30:
: : It's amazing the little things you notice on the nth time watching
: : P&P2. I normally just start with video 3 and go to the end as that
: : is my favorite part of the show. However, I was watching the first
: : episodes again and love the way Mr. Darcy rolls his eyes back when
: : Mrs. Bennet is speaking after visiting Jane at Netherfield.
: : Anne
: :
: : ________________
: :
:
: ___________________
: He also does something like that when Lizzy is playing the Piano-forte
: with Colonel Fitz. and 'flirting' with Darcy; Lady C. calls in and
: demands to know what they are talking about.
: Bea
This of course points out that some of his relatives are as
bad, in their own way, as hers. One cannot pick one's family.
Ann
Posted by Marsha on October 03, 1996 at 21:16:58:
: : :
: : : While watching this and reading this section in the book, it struck me a little odd that Mr.
: : : Bennet gives his consent to Darcy about marrying Lizzy
: : : as Mr. Bennet's first sentences to Lizzy, immediately afterwards are "Lizzy, what are you
: : : doing? Are you out of your senses, to be accepting this man?" What if Mr. Collins
: : : had gone to Mr. Bennet before Mrs. Bennet did and told Mr. Bennet
: : : that Lizzy had accepted him (as only Mr. Collins in his condesension could believe)! Would Mr. Bennet have consented to
: : : Mr. Collins as well? I hope not! Perhaps only b/c Mr. Collins was definately not
: : : a "sensible" man and ... of course did not have 10,000 a year.
: : : Bea
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: : I believe it was custom to ask for the father consent after
: : the lady had accepted the proposal. As we see in persuasion.
: : Mich
: : I believe it was custom to ask for the father consent after
: : the lady had accepted the proposal. As we see in pur
: : Mich
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: Yes, but for Mr. Bennet to give his consent so freely, without really
: knowing his own "sensible" daughter's feelings is what "vexed me".
: Perhaps he was 'persuaded' by Darcy's 10,000 a-year?
: Bea
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I think he gave his consent because Darcy told him Lizzy accepted, but I think the whole scene was very characteristic. He does not like to meddle, so he would not say "no" directly, but he tries to get Lizzy to say "no". I think this is his general character (like lettng lydia go to Brighton to avoid trouble). Also, he would not want to contradict Lizzie's wsihes, & Darcy told him she accepted him. I think it would have been very unkind of him to refuse, if he thought (as he did) that Lizzy wanted it. (Am I making sense?!)
By the way: A think that struck me as odd in the book, is that after Lizzie convinces her father of Darcy's character, to complete the good opinion she tells the whole story of Darcy's role in Lydia's wedding. I thought this was better done in the P&P2, when she didn't because, Mrs Gardiner, wanted it to go no further than Jane. It seemed like blabbing. What do you all think?
Marsha
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Posted by Jodi on October 03, 1996 at 21:17:27:
I feel the same addiction to the movie and I can't seem to
explain it to my friends or family. I found another movie
with Colin Firth in it , Circle of Friends, but don't bother
because he just isn't Darcy and I ended up disappointed.
: : Maureen said:
: : : The moment I laid eyes on Colin Firth in P&P I knew that i would never be the same.
: : Colin portrays such an excellent Darcy that I have virtually become addicited to the 6-hour miniseries!!
: :
: : > We all did - that's why we are here. My feeling was that CF
: : did more acting by not saying a word (just facial expressions)
: : than most actors do with entire scripts.
: : Anne
: :
: Mari says
: I couldn't agree more. It's hard to imagine anyone else in the role:
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Posted by Ann on October 03, 1996 at 21:18:43:
Thanks for the reminder.
Ann
Posted by Marsha on October 03, 1996 at 21:28:19:
: And what about Mrs. B?! As bad as she wanted to get her daughters married off, I think she would have FREAKED if it had been Mary first!
: Sarah
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Yes, but after Lizzie turned him down, she wanted him for Mary
Marsha
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Posted by Ann on October 03, 1996 at 21:34:53:
: Other great little pieces of business:
:
Having grown up in the same town as the Zucker brothers of
"Airplane", "Police Squad (Naked Gun)", and "Hot Shots" fame,
I have a natural affinity for sight gags (thing going on in
the background that have nothing to do with the main action,
and are there solely to get an easy laugh).
My favorite three in the production are:
1) At Hunsford, while Charlotte is showing Lizzy the parlor,
and Mr. Collins is showing Sir William and Maria the
garden. Through the window you can see Maria getting
attacked by bees.
2) When Mr Collins come to condole with the Bennets, Kitty
can be seen looming in at the window.
3) (My favorite) When the express messenger arrives with the
good news of Lydia's having been found, the messenger has
a unique way of getting back up on his horse. You can
almost hear the actor saying that this is his one chance
to get noticed and he is going to make the most of it!
Any others?
Ann
Posted by Maureen on October 03, 1996 at 21:37:42:
You have all proved me wrong!! I was just watching it when my mom called and I muted out that part!!
I am still dreadfully sorry for starting the entire sequel business. My apoligies for those of you who thought the idea insipid.....
As always,
Maureen
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Posted by Joan, too on October 03, 1996 at 21:43:17:
: Marsha
: By the way: A think that struck me as odd in the book, is that after Lizzie convinces her father of Darcy's character, to complete the good opinion she tells the whole story of Darcy's role in Lydia's wedding. I thought this was better done in the P&P2, when she didn't because, Mrs Gardiner, wanted it to go no further than Jane. It seemed like blabbing. What do you all think?
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Well, it may have been blabbing a bit, but consider Lizzie's state of mind at the time: "How earnestly did she then wish that her former opinions had been more reasonable, her expressions more moderate! It would have spared her from explanations and professions which it was exceedingly awkward to give; but they were now necessary..." She probably felt that she had to tell all - to do all that she could to repair the undeserved damage to his reputation that she had previously been responsible for creating. (Though of course it was not entirely undeserved in the beginning, but certainly was now that she had managed to get past her own prejudices.)
Joan, too
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Posted by marsha on October 03, 1996 at 21:45:10:
:
: : So, I don't see what possible plot a sequel could have.
: : I believe other attempts at a sequel have involved either
: : marital problems or problems with their children. The first
: : would not please me, and the second would have little to do
: : with P&P.
: : Ann
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: Seeing Georgiana isn't interested in him, they're not about to let him get away. Anne and Miss Bingley become fast friends. Miss Bingley decides to secretly help Anne snare the Earl.
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Isn't it out of character for Miss Bingley? I can't imagine her helping any other female to snare a husband first?
Marsha
Posted by Ann on October 03, 1996 at 21:45:15:
: I feel the same addiction to the movie and I can't seem to
: explain it to my friends or family. I found another movie
: with Colin Firth in it , Circle of Friends, but don't bother
: because he just isn't Darcy and I ended up disappointed.
I agree. I first started following the Friends of Firth web
page, but it wasn't Firth I was interested in, just Darcy.
Ann
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Posted by Maureen on October 03, 1996 at 21:46:34:
: You have all proved me wrong!! I was just watching it when my mom called and I muted out that part!!
: I am still dreadfully sorry for starting the entire sequel business. My apoligies for those of you who thought the idea insipid.....
: As always,
: Maureen
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I am so very sorry about the sequels......you people take this too heavy to heart. Nothing will fabricate from this, it was just a mere suggestion. It came to me because i had a dream that I was Darcy an Lizzy's child one night, and ever since then have been obsessed with the idea of creating the perfect sequel!
- Maureen :)
"Smile - it increases your face value"
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Posted by Joan, too on October 03, 1996 at 21:49:08:
: : And what about Mrs. B?! As bad as she wanted to get her daughters married off, I think she would have FREAKED if it had been Mary first!
: : Sarah
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: Yes, but after Lizzie turned him down, she wanted him for Mary
: Marsha
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I agree - she would have taken him for anyone, to be rid of that entailment!
(And much as one may hate to admit it, it was rather decent, if not noble, of Mr. C. to try to make amends for the entailment by choosing a wife from among Mr. B's daughters.)
Joan, too
Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 22:14:48:
: I am so very sorry about the sequels......you people take this too heavy to heart.
No need to apologise so much, there's nothing to forgive. We all had a good time with it, and it brought out Arnessa's plot.
Besides, who take? What heavy? What heart? I don't see or hear the wrath or come-downance or fire breathing or snarling that you perceive. If we are doing anything, it's testifying to our devotion to JA and her inimitable way of spinning a yarn.
Amy
Posted by Donna on October 03, 1996 at 22:20:38:
: :He almost has a stroke over the thought of how put out Lady C. will be if they are late and how often she has tried to impross upon him the importance of punctuality.... and where did all that Christian charity suddenly go?
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: I love this too. Maybe he realizes her Christian charity is superceded by the sovereign importance of condescending to earthly rank.
: Other great little pieces of business:
:
Other great little pieces of business said by Amy.
When Mr. Collins is saying good bye to Lizzie out side the parsonage He says "Charlotte and I are of one mind something like that, he sortof waves that little close-to-his face wave to Charlotte,my kids thought he was so GOOFY.They all said what a nerd!!!!
Posted by kathleen on October 03, 1996 at 22:22:30:
: : Marsha
: : By the way: A think that struck me as odd in the book, is that after Lizzie convinces her father of Darcy's character, to complete the good opinion she tells the whole story of Darcy's role in Lydia's wedding. I thought this was better done in the P&P2, when she didn't because, Mrs Gardiner, wanted it to go no further than Jane. It seemed like blabbing. What do you all think?
:
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: Well, it may have been blabbing a bit, but consider Lizzie's state of mind at the time: "How earnestly did she then wish that her former opinions had been more reasonable, her expressions more moderate! It would have spared her from explanations and professions which it was exceedingly awkward to give; but they were now necessary..." She probably felt that she had to tell all - to do all that she could to repair the undeserved damage to his reputation that she had previously been responsible for creating. (Though of course it was not entirely undeserved in the beginning, but certainly was now that she had managed to get past her own prejudices.)
: Joan, too
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From Mr. Bennet's point of view, being told about Darcy's efforts on Lydia's behalf saved him (Mr. Bennet, that is) the effort of trying to pay back
Mr. Gardiner. Not that I am sure he ever would have.
kathleen
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Posted by Donna on October 03, 1996 at 22:31:12:
: : You have all proved me wrong!! I was just watching it when my mom called and I muted out that part!!
: : I am still dreadfully sorry for starting the entire sequel business. My apoligies for those of you who thought the idea insipid.....
: : As always,
: : Maureen
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: I am so very sorry about the sequels......you people take this too heavy to heart. Nothing will fabricate from this, it was just a mere suggestion. It came to me because i had a dream that I was Darcy an Lizzy's child one night, and ever since then have been obsessed with the idea of creating the perfect sequel!
: - Maureen :)
: "Smile - it increases your face value
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Whatya mean that was fun. Mr. Collins ended up with 10 daughters.
ciao Donna,
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Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 22:36:15:
: From Mr. Bennet's point of view, being told about Darcy's efforts on Lydia's behalf saved him (Mr. Bennet, that is) the effort of trying to pay back
: Mr. Gardiner. Not that I am sure he ever would have.
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And why should he? Who should lay out money but her own uncle?
To me, expecting that people will take care of you is one of the worst character flaws there is. Austen must have thought so too. In S&S, Fanny says something about how there is no telling what the Dashwood ladies might expect -- probably projecting her own expectations were she in their place.
Amy
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