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Posted by Bea on October 03, 1996 at 18:02:15:
After yesterday's discussion about the possibility of
Ms. Bingley and Colonel Fitzwilliam being engaged (gag!)
I HAD to watch the 6th tape of P&P, just to make sure that there
were no signs of that. Happy to say, I didn't see any. :-)
While watching this and reading this section in the book, it struck me a little odd that Mr.
Bennet gives his consent to Darcy about marrying Lizzy
as Mr. Bennet's first sentences to Lizzy, immediately afterwards are "Lizzy, what are you
doing? Are you out of your senses, to be accepting this man?" What if Mr. Collins
had gone to Mr. Bennet before Mrs. Bennet did and told Mr. Bennet
that Lizzy had accepted him (as only Mr. Collins in his condesension could believe)! Would Mr. Bennet have consented to
Mr. Collins as well? I hope not! Perhaps only b/c Mr. Collins was definately not
a "sensible" man and ... of course did not have 10,000 a year.
Bea
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Posted by Mich on October 03, 1996 at 18:03:35:
For those of you who have price club/costco's I just saw the same tape A&E sells for $59.99
I of course purchased it at $99.99 but I'll justify the expense by the hours of enjoyment it's brought.
Mich
Posted by Mich on October 03, 1996 at 18:10:15:
: After yesterday's discussion about the possibility of
: Ms. Bingley and Colonel Fitzwilliam being engaged (gag!)
: I HAD to watch the 6th tape of P&P, just to make sure that there
: were no signs of that. Happy to say, I didn't see any. :-)
: While watching this and reading this section in the book, it struck me a little odd that Mr.
: Bennet gives his consent to Darcy about marrying Lizzy
: as Mr. Bennet's first sentences to Lizzy, immediately afterwards are "Lizzy, what are you
: doing? Are you out of your senses, to be accepting this man?" What if Mr. Collins
: had gone to Mr. Bennet before Mrs. Bennet did and told Mr. Bennet
: that Lizzy had accepted him (as only Mr. Collins in his condesension could believe)! Would Mr. Bennet have consented to
: Mr. Collins as well? I hope not! Perhaps only b/c Mr. Collins was definately not
: a "sensible" man and ... of course did not have 10,000 a year.
: Bea
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I believe it was custom to ask for the father consent after
the lady had accepted the proposal. As we see in persuasion.
Mich
I believe it was custom to ask for the father consent after
the lady had accepted the proposal. As we see in pur
Mich
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Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 18:53:34:
I do not wish to sound like a teacher or a mom, but has everyone started their 12 chapters due to be read by Sunday.
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Posted by Angie on October 03, 1996 at 19:04:32:
I recently read an article on the internet from an article in
a London newpaper. It said that Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle fell
in love while filming P&P, but have since broken up.
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Posted by Donna on October 03, 1996 at 19:31:05:
: I recently read an article on the internet from an article in
: a London newpaper. It said that Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle fell
: in love while filming P&P, but have since broken up.
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I think that they are very professional, it could happen, Maybe?
Donna,
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Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 19:37:49:
It felt so sad to take down Arnessa's sequel plot that I gave it its own permanent page. Link below
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Posted by Joan, too on October 03, 1996 at 19:38:25:
: Brigid:
: : I was just watching the 1st dinner scene with Mr. Collins last night and it was so funny. I loved the fact that Lizzie had to put her napkin up to her face to hide her laughing. But poor Mary seemed to like him. Did anyone else see that?
: Cheryl:
: Oh yes, Mary's admiration is fairly obvious in this production, although one does not get that opinion from the book. But while her temperment seems exactly suited for Mr. Collins, I fear that she is not pretty or accomplished enough to be the wife of the man who enjoys the peculiar condesention of such a noble patroness as Lady Catherine de Bourgh.
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It also seems as if Jane may be trying to help Mary "snare" Mr. C. - when Lizzie, Kitty and Lydia are out in the garden with the officers, and Mr. C. and Wickham are competing for Lizzie's attention as they stroll, Jane comes out and "claims" Mr. C. for her sister Mary, who simply can't understand a passage in Fordyce's Sermons. (Or is Jane perhaps trying to divert him away from Lizzie? Or both?
One of my very favorite Collins-ism, though, is in the scene at the parsonage when Lizzie has a headache and opts out of going to dinner at Rosings. He makes a 540 degree turn all in the space of a few seconds - first he is horrified that Charlotte might stay behind with Lizzie, then he assures Lizzie that he's sure that Lady C. will forgive her (though not Charlotte) because she has such wonderful Christian charity, and then when Charlotte reminds him that it is late, he almost has a stroke over the thought of how put out Lady C. will be if they are late and how often she has tried to impross upon him the importance of punctuality.... and where did all that Christian charity suddenly go?
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 03, 1996 at 19:52:02:
: I don't know if this has been discussed, but it has always seemed odd to me that Wickham and Lydia's hurry-up wedding in Cheapside would not have been presided over by the same minister as the Double weddings in Meryton, also the location looks the same. Any feedback?
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As I understand it, ministers were attached to particular churches (livings) and whatever went on in a particular church was presided over by the one who had that living. So a clergyman from Meryton would not have presided over a wedding in a church in Cheapside.
Joan, too
Posted by Amy on October 03, 1996 at 19:58:29:
:He almost has a stroke over the thought of how put out Lady C. will be if they are late and how often she has tried to impross upon him the importance of punctuality.... and where did all that Christian charity suddenly go?
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I love this too. Maybe he realizes her Christian charity is superceded by the sovereign importance of condescending to earthly rank.
Other great little pieces of business:
Amy
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Posted by Anne on October 03, 1996 at 20:06:14:
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: I'm really sorry about not contributing. I was one of the people who voted for "Enchanted April" and then I forgot to rent it over the weekend. (Duh!) Also,
: I'm only online at work, so I don't always get to all of the posts, which makes me hesitant to put in my .02 worth. My husband's supposed to get us hooked up
: at home for his work. But he'll faint onto the nearest sopha when he sees the bills if I indulge my addiction at home! Seriously, how much are your online
: bills running and what provider do you use?
: Mary
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Is this the Mary in Dallas? I am hooked up to Internet America which runs about
$20/month and there is *no* hourly fee. I couldn't do this if I were being
charged by the hour. Has a local number so no long distance fees. There
are several 'flat fee' providers in the area.
Anne
Posted by kathleen on October 03, 1996 at 20:24:57:
: I recently read an article on the internet from an article in
: a London newpaper. It said that Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle fell
: in love while filming P&P, but have since broken up.
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I saw a follow up quote from Ms Ehle (in the 7/16/96 issue of The [London] Times). She
has evidently had this happen before, w/ actor Toby Stephens. Claims she won't let it happen
again, it's too painful.
kathleen
Posted by Bea on October 03, 1996 at 20:34:24:
: :
: : While watching this and reading this section in the book, it struck me a little odd that Mr.
: : Bennet gives his consent to Darcy about marrying Lizzy
: : as Mr. Bennet's first sentences to Lizzy, immediately afterwards are "Lizzy, what are you
: : doing? Are you out of your senses, to be accepting this man?" What if Mr. Collins
: : had gone to Mr. Bennet before Mrs. Bennet did and told Mr. Bennet
: : that Lizzy had accepted him (as only Mr. Collins in his condesension could believe)! Would Mr. Bennet have consented to
: : Mr. Collins as well? I hope not! Perhaps only b/c Mr. Collins was definately not
: : a "sensible" man and ... of course did not have 10,000 a year.
: : Bea
:
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:
: I believe it was custom to ask for the father consent after
: the lady had accepted the proposal. As we see in persuasion.
: Mich
: I believe it was custom to ask for the father consent after
: the lady had accepted the proposal. As we see in pur
: Mich
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Yes, but for Mr. Bennet to give his consent so freely, without really
knowing his own "sensible" daughter's feelings is what "vexed me".
Perhaps he was 'persuaded' by Darcy's 10,000 a-year?
Bea
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Posted by Anne on October 03, 1996 at 20:43:28:
It's amazing the little things you notice on the nth time watching
P&P2. I normally just start with video 3 and go to the end as that
is my favorite part of the show. However, I was watching the first
episodes again and love the way Mr. Darcy rolls his eyes back when
Mrs. Bennet is speaking after visiting Jane at Netherfield.
Anne
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Posted by Anne on October 03, 1996 at 20:45:15:
: I do not wish to sound like a teacher or a mom, but has everyone started their 12 chapters due to be read by Sunday.
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Thought that I'd do it on Saturday so it would be fresh. Only
took me a day to read the whole thing so I figured that I could
read the chapters, watch the tape and then read the chapters
again.
Anne
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Posted by Bea on October 03, 1996 at 20:46:36:
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: I love this too. Maybe he realizes her Christian charity is superceded by the sovereign importance of condescending to earthly rank.
: Other great little pieces of business:
:
My favorites Collin-ism in the movie include
1. Mr. Collins speaking of the staircases and I do mean staircases, because there
are several at Rosings Park, and how well the stairs at Hunsford suit
a man in his profession???
2. And of course how her ladyship thought of "shelves in the closet"!
3. And also when Lizzy comes down in the morning to the breakfast table (before Darcy gives her the
letter in the Park) and Mr. Collins is eating!
4. The best I think is when, Mr. Collins, turtle-like, talks to Darcy at the Netherfield Ball and Darcy stands up, leaving him
all hunched over and then Darcy walks away.
Bea
Posted by Bea on October 03, 1996 at 20:53:08:
: It's amazing the little things you notice on the nth time watching
: P&P2. I normally just start with video 3 and go to the end as that
: is my favorite part of the show. However, I was watching the first
: episodes again and love the way Mr. Darcy rolls his eyes back when
: Mrs. Bennet is speaking after visiting Jane at Netherfield.
: Anne
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He also does something like that when Lizzy is playing the Piano-forte
with Colonel Fitz. and 'flirting' with Darcy; Lady C. calls in and
demands to know what they are talking about.
Bea
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Posted by Maureen on October 03, 1996 at 20:55:08:
Everyone, I am sorry about starting the insane notion that their shoul be a sequel! Jeesh, I was only trying to make conversation. Some of you take so much offense to the idea that P&P shoul be expaneded. With all the Austen-maniz right now, it would provide more jobs and more creativity to the people invovled in the production.
I reread my copy of P&P (the first book for those of you who don't know there are sequels - I was nagged about calling P&P the first book) and it doesn't say anything about Charlotte being pregnant. What I got this from was the following quote in chapter 60, the last time they are mentioned:
"Before any answer could arrive from Mr Collins, or any congratulations to Elizabeth, from his wife, the Longbourn family heard that the Collises were come themselves to Lucas lodege. The reason for this sudden removal was soon evident. Lady Catherine had been rendered so exceedingly angry by the contents of her nephew's letter, that Charlotte, really rejoicing in the match, was anxious to get away till the storm was blown over. At such a moment, the arrival....."
And so on. If anyone can find another passage to prove me wrong, so be it, i'll take your word for it.
An listen, i'm really sorry if I cause anyone any heartache about the entire sequel thing!! I thought it ha some great conversations in it!! And some brilliant ieas too!! We should keep at it!!!
And BTW, I did watch Vol.6 again and Miss Bingley an Col. Fitzwilliam were standing a little too close for comfort. I believe they were engaged. But that is MY opinion.
I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE SOME FEEBACK!!!!!
Sorry for all the trouble,
Maureen :(
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