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Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 16:56:44:
Oh Lord.
HC, if you perist in challenging me to graphics duels I may be forced to learn about .WAV and .MID sound just to outweb you.
Amy
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 02, 1996 at 16:58:14:
: : : : : I learned only today that the Firthlisters have been trashing us, or me or this board or something. I don't read the digests everyday and missed the damning posts. Anna-Karin or Laura, pray write and tell the nature of this slander for I am quite astonished to hear of it.
: : : : : Are we too uneducated in Firthlore? Too prissy? I don't understand. I have always enjoyed reading the posts there and have delighted in the difference from this place in style, tone, character. Hurts my feelings a little. Please tell so I won't imagine worse.
: : : : : Amy
: : : : :
: : : : Really? but why? Too bad if it is true.
: : : : I read them from time to time and enjoy it too.
: : : : I thought we were all on the same boat, that is, addict to P&P, and adore Firth.
: : : : However, I think we may be a bit open minded, we are allowed to adore others, such as Hinds, Rupert, Sewell...:)
: : : What is this?
: : : Would anyone be so kind as to give me the adress to the firthlist? Is it a group like this ore is it
: : : some e-mail subscription?
: : : I have read alot of Firth facts, Faqs, fantasies and so forth but have I missed their way of exchanging opinions?
: : : Ann2
: : I am a proud swedish member of the firthlist and the only so far.So
: : Obs. in swedish: Sa jag skulle valdigt garna se att vi blev fler från sverige an bara
: : lilla jag det finns 2 fran finland och 1 fran Norge den har helgen ligger
: : listan nere efter som listdrotningen ar borta over helgen men den kommer
: : igang igen pa mandag min e-mail adress ar anna-karin.schander@mailbox.swipnet.se.
: : : Exuse me for writing something in swedish here but
: : it is my only way to reach Ann2
: : Anna-Karin Schander
: Have no fear Anna-Karin, you are *not* the only Swedish participant in this deligthful exchange of opinion. I just do not see that our nationality has got anything to do with it all.
: I kind of like the idea that we are all kindred spirits from -maybe not Firthland but some realm of Darcy fanatics within a very easy distance from it. Then there are the lurkers who
: read this page but have not yet opened their virtual mouth.
: Om du undrar var du ska få tag i filmer, no we must not use anything but English, that would be a sign of no breeding at all. So what I mean is, if you have trouble finding films or books
: please do not hesitate to ask me.
: Best wishes and hej så länge!
: Ann2
: On a closer read-through I see I got it all wrong. Sorry, my e-mail is not working yet so I cannot contact you in private. But I sure would like to know how to join the firth-list.
: Ann2
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Well to joint the firthlist you have to e-mail our list queen Robin Reid
her e-mail is scooter@axionet.com(Robin Reid) I think. but ofcause
your e-mail has to function if you shall be able to join a mailinglist.
hoppas detta hjälper. Var kan man få tag p colin Firths filmer tro?
Anna-Karin
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Posted by DonnaT on October 02, 1996 at 17:40:47:
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: : : : Phone number to order is 1-800-367-7765 (24 hrs/7 days)
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: :Thanks so much for posting this information. I have learned so much valuable information from this bulletin board.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you ladies also. I was a driven woman, had to get the Making of P & P so per your suggestions I ordered it from the Penguin Books didn't care how much it cost. Couple of days later I got an E-mail from Penguin, it would cost $24 juuust for postage!! Yikes. Anyway you wonderful ladies also provided the 312 # of Jane Austen Books in Chicago. I called her, had my book in 4 days and it is truly wonderful.
I too love this BB, you make my day.
Posted by Mich on October 02, 1996 at 17:46:45:
What did Lizzie mean when she said to Dracy during thier dance and Netherfield:
"I have seen a great similarity in the turn of our minds.
We are each of an unsocial, tacturn disposition, unwilling to speak, unless
we expect to say something that will amaze the whole room, and be handed down
to posterity with all the eclat of a proverb."
I'm never quite sure
Mich
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Posted by Joan also on October 02, 1996 at 17:58:01:
Does anyone else feel that when Lizzie says to her father about Darcy "he is truly the best man I have ever known" it's a little bit of a put down to her father? I don't recall Lizzie using these exact words in the book.
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Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 18:00:04:
A-K sed:
Well to joint the firthlist you have to e-mail our list queen Robin Reid
: her e-mail is scooter@axionet.com(Robin Reid)
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Anna-Karin,
What is the latest on the desirability of growing the Firthlist? When I first started this board in late July, Miss Wynn posted the direct subscription start info and at that time I believe Robin started the policy of emailing to her stating the reason you like Colin as kind of a filter. Then she sent the sub start address and rules.
Also about that time, there seemed to be some fairly consensus-like murmurring on the list about the members liking the fact that it was hard to find out how to subscribe. That way, I remember somebody said, it was only the persistant and die hards who found their way on the list. That's why I generally began making the Firth sub info a two-step process here. If somebody wanted to email me, I would tell them to email Robin and tell why they were Colin fans.
But what's the latest? Have I been too cautious? I'd like to handle it exactly as you all want.
Amy
cc: Queen Robin
Posted by Joan, too on October 02, 1996 at 19:01:34:
: Maureen:
At the end of the P&P adaptation , at the wedding scene in fact, Miss Bingley is standing directly next to Col. Fitzwilliam. I believe she is holding on to his arm. I thoought that they had gotten married, or were engaged. I'll have to review it, but i could have sworn she had a ring on.....
Hmmmm - when viewed in a providential light, that could be a good marriage for both - he being an impoverished younger son of a nobleman, and she having a significant inheritance to bring into the marriage - but it certainly is difficult to imagine the Colonel enjoying her company.
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 02, 1996 at 19:15:33:
: Donna:
In the book Mrs. Gardiner said "that he is not as handsome as Whickham" or rather he has not his countenance for his features are perfectly good." Also she said "There is something pleasing about his mouth when he speaks". "There is something of dignity in his countenance that would give you a favorable idea of his heart".So if you have a pleasing countenance your looks aren't very important. Why mention handsome or the way he looks. Was he as handsome as Whickham.
I get the impression that this is in some ways very similar to the discussion on whether Jane or Lizzie is more beautiful - to what extent an attractive personality can affect whether or not one is considered handsome. Mrs. G. seems to be saying that no matter how good your features are, if your demeanor is that of a disapproving, sourpuss, you are not pleasant to look upon.
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on October 02, 1996 at 19:25:13:
: Amy:
You know, when you outline it like that, there could be a followup production. With all the Lizzy telling mom stuff in the novel proper, then all the epilogue stuff: the Christmas end (like Annie (the play)); Lady Catherine reconciling herself and deining to visit; Lydia and Wickham staying too long with the Bingleys. There's a good 2 hours worth based on JA own words.
True, and of course all of us would revel in it, but, as someone earlier mentioned, this would truly be of interest only to us fanatics because of the lack of any plot - it would not be a drama that could stand on its own.
Joan, too
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Posted by Newbee fan of JA on October 02, 1996 at 19:37:34:
: : Johanna wrote:
On this subject, I must speak though I am recently acquainted with JA's works.
I read both "Sanditon" written by JA & _Another Lady_ and "The Watsons" by JA & John Coates (sp?). The former work, IMHO, completely insults the JA's style and decency of the original!! I had to put the book down so often with indignation. Some of the incidents are too ridiculous to be even considered as a part of JA's story. It was badly written in its language and characters. For the latter I can give an OK mark, although characters are constantly consuming wine and water instead of tea-things.
I also read "Lady Susan." Very mischievious, I thought. It's unlike any other JA's works.
Newbee.
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Posted by Anne on October 02, 1996 at 19:46:16:
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: Yes. It's very costly here. Too much, in many ways, to justify
: the positive sides. Second only to NYC, I've been told. Is food
: much less expensive in Texas than here?
: Cordially,
: Raphael
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Don't know about food so much as housing, taxes (no state
income tax), car registration, etc.
Posted by Anne on October 02, 1996 at 19:49:10:
: "A month in the country" will be playing on the new Sundance channel Oct 1 9:30am, 8:30pm Oct 2, 6:30am PST. On some cables and satlellite dishes. If someday you want to review this film.
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Don't get the Sundance channel (no dish yet) but found a video
store with A Month in the Country in a catalog so have ordered
it. Should find out in a week or two if really possible.
Anne
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Posted by kathleen on October 02, 1996 at 19:49:27:
: Does anyone else feel that when Lizzie says to her father about Darcy "he is truly the best man I have ever known" it's a little bit of a put down to her father? I don't recall Lizzie using these exact words in the book.
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Lizzie's conversation in the book covered more time (although not all of it was in dialogue form). I think that she's doing a couple
of things in either version:
1. she's got to convince her father that Darcy is worthy of her and that she loves him
2. she's got to make the break from her father as the #1 man in her life (she is very much like, you know, and is his favorite)
I was sorry that P&P2 left out one of my personal favorites of Mr. Bennet's lines: "If any young men come for Mary or Kitty, send them in,
for I am quite at leisure."
kathleen
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Posted by kathleen on October 02, 1996 at 19:54:35:
: : : Johanna wrote:
: On this subject, I must speak though I am recently acquainted with JA's works.
: I read both "Sanditon" written by JA & _Another Lady_ and "The Watsons" by JA & John Coates (sp?). The former work, IMHO, completely insults the JA's style and decency of the original!! I had to put the book down so often with indignation. Some of the incidents are too ridiculous to be even considered as a part of JA's story. It was badly written in its language and characters. For the latter I can give an OK mark, although characters are constantly consuming wine and water instead of tea-things.
: I also read "Lady Susan." Very mischievious, I thought. It's unlike any other JA's works.
: Newbee.
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I might have to give "The Watsons" sequel a chance. Agree about "Sanditon" -- I hadn't read the fragment that JA wrote, but I could spot the section where the book's author
changed (I wouldn't say I spotted the exact sentence or paragraph, although friends do say that I have a good eye for Austen [oops, sorry, that's "Emma" humor, not P&P]). The
lady who finished "Sanditon" pretty much killed it.
kathleen
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Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 20:03:39:
What I like about this scene:
Check out Lizzy's look when her father remarks on how it would be impossible not to give his consent to such a man as Darcy.
Lizzy positively beams with pride at the idea that Darcy is so powerful. I like the idea that he is as well and feel quite woozy earlier when he so forcefully informs Mr Gardiner that he will not give way.
Amy
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Posted by kathleen on October 02, 1996 at 20:10:45:
: What I like about this scene:
: Check out Lizzy's look when her father remarks on how it would be impossible not to give his consent to such a man as Darcy.
: Lizzy positively beams with pride at the idea that Darcy is so powerful. I like the idea that he is as well and feel quite woozy earlier when he so forcefully informs Mr Gardiner that he will not give way.
: Amy
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Yes, yes -- he is a man of decision, purpose, and action, especially
when Lizzy's happiness is at stake. The firmness of his intentions are
conveyed in both the tone of his voice and in the firmness of the handshake.
kathleen
Posted by Joan, too on October 02, 1996 at 20:39:18:
: Joan also: [this makes 4 of us at one time or annother ;-) ]
: Does anyone else feel that when Lizzie says to her father about Darcy "he is truly the best man I have ever known" it's a little bit of a put down to her father? I don't recall Lizzie using these exact words in the book.
In the book she does say "I do like him," she replied, with tears in her eyes, "I love him. Indeed he has no improper pride. He is perfectly amiable." Then after Mr. B. says "let me not have the grief of seeing you unable to respect your partner in life", there is a non-dialogue paragraph in which the exact words are not given:
Elizabeth, still more affected, was earnest and solemn in her reply; and at length, by repeated assurances that Mr. Darcy was really the object of her choicce, by explaining the gradual change whcih her estimation of him had undergone, relating her absolute certainty that his affection was not the work of a day, but had stood the test of many months suspense, and enumerating with energy all of his good qualities, she did conquer her father's incredulity, and reconcile him to the match.
All of the above was condensed into the line: "he is truly the best man I have ever known." (And then she even goes on to tell him - which she does not in P&P2 - what Darcy had done for Lydia.) But this scene clearly "suffered" from Davies' belief that once the guy gets the girl, it's best to conclude as quickly as possible.
: Kathleen:
: I was sorry that P&P2 left out one of my personal favorites of Mr. Bennet's lines: "If any young men come for Mary or Kitty, send them in, for I am quite at leisure."
My mother agrees with you - this is her favorite line, as well.
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