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Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 10:50:37:
: Since the wedding scene I've always thought it would be interesting if Miss Bingley Married Colonel. Fitzwilliam.
: To be part of the family, poor Darcy & Elizabeth.
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You know what's funny. For the first few times I saw Duckface and Fitzwilliam standing together I thought the Colonel was Mr Denny (who BTW has kind of an animal appeal for me in that big-nose-and-lips kind of way). because we had not seen the Col. in uniform.
And I thought, oh that's pretty funny. Caroline pokes fun at Lizzy for her family's attachment to the regiment, then it turns out that's all the better she herself can do.
Amy
Posted by eva on October 02, 1996 at 10:58:18:
: re Valmont: he does the bare-fingered candle extinction in that movie, too
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: Peter O'Toole makes a scene out of doing it in Lawrence of Arabia.
: These are men. Are they not? Actually both actors need to do something like that or their high-born accents and demeanor can tip a hair toward the effete.
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hmmm, now i wonder if Mr. O'Toole taught Mr. Firth this skill when they acted in "Wings of Fame" together... those minor degrees of separation...
-eva
Posted by Terese on October 02, 1996 at 11:00:44:
: Being a fairly recent member of this support group, I was just
: wondering where everyone is. I have seen Sweden, Israel, New
: Zealand, Australia, Canada and I think Belgium.
: I'm in Texas (near Dallas)
: Anne
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Melbourne Florida - sunshine, space shuttles, mouse ears,
and retirees
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Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 11:33:40:
: Melbourne Florida - sunshine, space shuttles, mouse ears,
: and retirees
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Hey, maybe we should all do that:
Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 12:10:58:
Arness said:
: Everytime I watch British films, I wonder if the whole country's batty or if I am. Then I wish in America we had as many eccentrics as the British seem to.
That's one of the things I love about the Brits and their films, too. But you know what I really wish? That women could earn or seize the right to be eccentric like some of these neat women characters. Could it be that it is less okay for a woman to be an oddball in our culture? It sure feels that way sometimes to me. Take a professor type. If he is goofy and forgetful and dresses funny, it's charming. Try on the reverse.
Looks like this virtual viewing thing has been a disaster. We spend long threads deciding on what to watch then barely a third the number of posts discussing it. Arnessa, I think maybe you and I, who had the same aim in participating in this -- wallowing to purge the obsession -- have moved on and are ready to diversify. But the board must primarily serve those who have a passionate need to talk it to death, don't you think?
Amy
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Posted by Johanna on October 02, 1996 at 12:52:44:
Heads up to any who may contemplate reading this little terror of a sequel: Don't bother. Jane Austen is probably, as my Mother would say, spinning in her grave.
I won't bore you with details, but can you imagine C de B saying "I'll superintend your repose."?? Or Charlotte Collins exclaiming how "wretched" she is to G Darcy? Or yet again reminded how arrogant Darcy can be perceived? In Chapter 32, no less. It didn't take long to read, but those few hours could have been better spent. Oh well, live and learn, I will have to reread P&P to erase this horrible picture of Regency Peyton Place!!!
Johanna
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Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 13:16:25:
Thanks for the warning. Every few years I get an itch to try one of the sequels but can't bring myself to do it. Your review will serve as further desirable Lady Russelling.
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Posted by Maureen on October 02, 1996 at 13:24:43:
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: : So, I don't see what possible plot a sequel could have.
: : I believe other attempts at a sequel have involved either
: : marital problems or problems with their children. The first
: : would not please me, and the second would have little to do
: : with P&P.
: : Ann
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: Ah, yes, that's the problem, isn't it? We, none of us, want to imagine our dear Darcy and Lizzy ever disagreeing again. But with two strong personalities such as theirs, disagreement is inevitable, I'm afraid. But let us flatter ourselves (and them) that they will so enjoy each other's society, and have such mutual respect, esteem and love, that any disagreement won't be lasting and shouldn't cause us much uneasiness.
: I have thought about a sequel plot, actually. Having read the book so often, it's hard not to try to imagine what happens after the novel ends.
: I think the plot would have to revolve around making a good marriage, again, of course. And in short, my idea is this: At the novel's end we still have unmarried young women, why not see what happens to them. In particular, since Lizzy and Darcy will be central to the story, why not see who Georgiana, Kitty and Anne de Bourgh will marry? Kitty will, after all, be spending a good deal of time at Pemberley as Austen tells us. I say something dreadful happens to Lady Catherine and Darcy and Lizzy are forced to take in Anne. Then the fun starts. Darcy breaks his leg after a fall from his horse. A young physician recently arrived in Derbyshire from London comes to treat him. Georgiana and he fall in love. But Darcy has better designs for his sister. He wants her to marry the Earl of ------, an old family friend. Lizzy sees where Georgiana's heart is and urges Darcy not to interfere because she knows Georgiana won't dare defy her brother. Darcy doesn't see the harm in separating two people whose attraction can only be the work of a few weeks, but after some verbal sparring, he follows his wife's advice and does nothing for the moment. Then Miss Bingley (remember her?) comes for a visit with her brother and Jane. She's still as attentive to Darcy as ever and tries to take over Lizzy's place in nursing him back to health. Can't you just see her now as they're all sitting round the fire in the drawing room? "More tea, Mr. Darcy? Another blanket?" Anyway, Miss Bingley has been in London husband-hunting still and she's heard some scandalous story about the young doctor though she "doesn't remember the particulars." An angry Darcy makes him leave the place immediately. Lizzy objects and is determined to find out the truth. She writes to Aunt and Uncle Gardiner in London, but they haven't heard anything about the young doctor.
: Meanwhile, the Earl of ----- is a frequent visitor to the Darcy household. He is, to be honest, a little dull. Being rich and idle, he never has had to think for himself. He fancies himself in love with Georgiana because his mother, an old friend of Darcy's parents, tells him he's in love with her. Georgiana treats him with kindness but can scarcely find two words to say to him. Unlike with the physician, in whose presence she was more talkative than usual. The Earl of ---- notices this and begins to suspect his true love doesn't love him at all. Once, when he came to Pemberley to see Georgiana she was out riding with Anne, and the Earl, finding Kitty alone in the drawing room, ends up pouring out his heart her. He said he couldn't understand why Georgiana didn't love him. He's tried so hard, brought her flowers, made so many pleasing attentions, yet he had no hope of succeeding. Then Kitty innocently asks the crucial question, "Why do you have such feelings for her with no hope of a return?" Well, he hadn't thought about that before. He likes talking to Kitty. She's easy to talk to.
: But Miss Bingley and Miss de Bourgh have other plans for the Earl. Seeing Georgiana isn't interested in him, they're not about to let him get away. Anne and Miss Bingley become fast friends. Miss Bingley decides to secretly help Anne snare the Earl. I see Anne as turning into a weaker version of Lady Catherine. In fact, I see her using her weak constitution as a weapon. Everyone has to tiptoe around to avoid upsetting Anne. Meanwhile, Anne gets what Anne wants. When they all go out for a walk, she must take the arm of the Earl because she simply can't bear the exertion. Miss Bingley lets drop to the Earl some hints about Kitty's flirtation with the officers in Meryton and how she followed around her disgraceful younger sister. And when Lydia, out of money again, comes to stay at Pemberley for a bit, Miss Bingley could not be more delighted. Miss Bingley has stayed on at Pemberley after her brother and Jane return home because Anne de Bourgh says she simply cannot do without her.
: The Darcys throw a ball, maybe for Georgiana's and Anne's coming out (Is Georgina out in P&P?). We just have to have a dance scene. The ball is well received, except Georgiana is miserable because she's still not allowed to see the doctor. At the ball, she hears from some friends that he's gone back to London. After the ball, Lizzy seeing Georgiana's distress recommends a change of scene and society. But Darcy has some business that cannot be delayed, and Lizzy has to help Lydia straighten out her life. So instead of staying at the Darcy's London house alone, Georgiana goes to stay with the Gardiners until the rest of the party is able to join her in London. One of the Gardiner children gets sick, and guess who comes to treat the patient. Yes! Georgiana's true love. (violins here) The doctor writes to Darcy asking his consent to marry Georgiana, and Darcy flatly refuses ordering Georgiana to return to Pemberley at once. The young doctor elopes with Georgiana, who is not altogether inexperienced in this area (remember Wickham?). Darcy is furious, and in an angry moment, accuses Lizzy of planning something like this when she sent Georgiana to stay with the Gardiners.
: In distress, Darcy turns to Col. Fitzwilliam to help him to find out where Georgiana and the doctor are. Lizzy stays at Pemberley. Darcy and the Colonel go to London to start the search, and while there they find out that the doctor isn't as bad as they thought and indeed the accusations made by Miss Bingley were totally false. Meanwhile Georgiana returns to Pemberley with her husband. Lizzy sends an express to Darcy telling him Georgiana is safe. Darcy and the Colonel return to Pemberley and they have a big family moment. Darcy apologizes (most charmingly) to Lizzy for all his angry accusations. Lizzy forgives him, of course, saying she understands that it was his concern for his sister's welfare which made him react so strongly, and she can imagine they'll probably have such disagreements again - over the welfare of their own child, which she is expecting in about 8 months. You can imagine the expression of heartfelt delight diffused over Darcy's face after she says this.
: Now that the crisis has passed, Kitty and the earl make known their engagement. Anne is crushed. Miss Bingley comforts her as best she can, but now that the Colonel is at Pemberley and looks like he plans to stay for a while, Miss Bingley doesn't have much time for Anne anymore.
: -The end-
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At the end of the P&P adaptation , at the wedding scene in fact, Miss Bingley is standing directly next to Col. Fitzwilliam. I believe she is holding on to his arm. I thoought that they had gotten married, or were engaged. I'll have to review it, but i could have sworn she had a ring on.....
I have to admit, I really do like your sequel....
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Posted by Susan on October 02, 1996 at 14:29:03:
Arnessa, I think maybe you and I, who had the same aim in participating in this -- wallowing to purge the obsession -- have moved on and are ready to diversify. But the board must primarily serve those who have a passionate need to talk it to death, don't you think?
: Amy
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Amy,
Do you mean that you wish to talk about other subjects besides P&P2? In what ways did you wish to diversify? Just curious.
Susan
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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on October 02, 1996 at 14:57:56:
Johanna wrote:
: Heads up to any who may contemplate reading this little terror of a sequel: Don't bother. Jane Austen is probably spinning in her grave.
: I will have to reread P&P to erase this horrible picture of Regency Peyton Place!!!
Amy wrote:
Thanks for the warning. Every few years I get an itch to try one of the sequels but can't bring myself to do it. Your review will serve as further desirable Lady Russelling.
I don't know, some the sequels are better than others. Jane Fairfax by Aiken and the Sanditon continuation by Dobbs aren't that bad, and people say
that Pemberley Shades by Bonavia-Hunt and Jane and the Unpleasantness at Scargrave Manor are good reads
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Posted by Brigid on October 02, 1996 at 15:14:48:
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Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 15:58:00:
: Do you mean that you wish to talk about other subjects besides P&P2? In what ways did you wish to diversify? Just curious.
: Susan
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I was really referring to the failed experiments with the virtual views of ARWAV and Enchanted April. I think we go off topic just about the right amount.
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Posted by Donna on October 02, 1996 at 15:59:20:
In the book Mrs. Gardiner said "that he is not as handsome as Whickham" or rather he has not his countenance for his features are perfectly good." Also she said "There is something pleasing
about his mouth when he speaks". "There is something of dignity in his countenance that would give you a favorable idea of his heart".
So if you have a pleasing countenance your looks aren't very important. Why mention handsome or the way he looks. Was he as handsome as Whickham.
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Posted by Johanna on October 02, 1996 at 16:05:58:
: Johanna wrote:
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: Heads up to any who may contemplate reading this little terror of a sequel: Don't bother. Jane Austen is probably spinning in her grave.
: : I will have to reread P&P to erase this horrible picture of Regency Peyton Place!!!
Thanks for the warning. Every few years I get an itch to try one of the sequels but can't bring myself to do it. Your review will serve as further desirable Lady Russelling.
I don't know, some the sequels are better than others. Jane Fairfax by Aiken and the Sanditon continuation by Dobbs aren't that bad, and people say
: that Pemberley Shades by Bonavia-Hunt and Jane and the Unpleasantness at Scargrave Manor are good reads
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Thank you both! I can't help but giggle at the posts!
I am all ____________ (in Presumption that phrase was _worked_ just a little too much, as well as a few others)!
Johanna ; ()
ps. What is it about these spectacularly written characters that makes them so real? I know unless a sequal is written by Austen herself, it will inevitably disappoint. <sigh>
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Posted by Lori T. on October 02, 1996 at 16:30:49:
I would like to see the whole end of the book expanded. One
of my favorite parts of the book is when Lizzie tells her mother that she
is marrying Mr. Darcy of "Ten thousand pounds a year probably
more!" I would love to see her imtimidated into silence by
her future son-in -law's presence and to see her go into shock
when Lizzie tells her the news.
I would do the 'post wedding' scenes in a montage like the
end of the book does it. Little scenes of all the major characters.
Christmas though would be only the Gardiner's and Bingley's
not including the Miss Bingley of course!
Well, when I'm rich enough to produce P&P3 (ha ha) I make sure
that they do it my way!!
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Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 02, 1996 at 16:31:02:
: : : Arnessa,
: : : I love this. I always thought Kitty had possibilities and you have given them to her.
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: : Funny plot. But I think Jane Austen told her relatives that
: : Kitty married a clergyman near Pemperly.
: : I also think that Darcy would be rather careful about meddling
: : in other peoples lovelifes (since the mistakes he made in P&P).
: : but he would surely be careful and check out any man that approached
: : georgiana.but he would hardly trie to persuade her to anything
: : she did not wanted.In P&P he hoped originally that she maybe should
: : come to like Bingley.but he does not seem to have done anything
: : to actively push her I think he loved her to much to do that.
: : As for Lizzy and Darcy I think they lived mostly happily but as someone
: : wrote with two strong personalities as them they must have disagreed
: : sometimes.Their marriage must have had crises and disagreaments like
: : all other marriages but I think the sorted them out.Darcys pride
: : can have caused problems sometimes maybe he got jelaous sometime?
: : As for Sequels some on the firthlist have written some tiny bits
: : about what happened after the wedding (just little bits).
: : Anna-Karin
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: One hates to be at odds with Austen. Maybe I could tweak the ending a bit. Kitty gets a proposal from the Earl, but to the shock of Miss Bingley, Anne, and to the extreme distress of her mother (I imagine a wonderful cameo here), she turns him down preferring instead to wed the nice, quiet, well-mannered clergyman whom no one's noticed up to this point, but who's had Kitty's heart all along. The earl, disappointed but not desperate, decides to leave on a trip abroad since his real dream all along has been to travel as he once told Kitty during one of their long chats. So the earl finally gets away from his controlling mother, and Anne is doubly enraged because she thought Kitty was the only obstacle to her marrying the earl.
: I don't know how much Darcy's really learned his lesson about meddling in other people's lives'. It seems to me Darcy would be extremely anxious about his sister's choice of husband, and though he might not directly interfere, I think he would feel the importance of her marrying well. There were different standards for men and women. And I can see him rationalizing that while he's found happiness with Lizzy and Bingley's found happiness with Jane, men can enjoy the privilege of marrying a little beneath them (of course I'm speaking in terms of social standing) but women cannot. Don't you think it would have been unusual for the heiress of 30,000 pounds to marry a physician back then? I don't know if she would have been shut out of "good society," but I have a feeling many would think she'd gone down a notch or two in society.
: -Arnessa.
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I also think Darcy would prefere his sister to marry well.
But that he might give in if she met one of a maybe lower
social standing if it was a very good honest man with good reputation
and his sister loved him. I think darcy would give in even if
a little reluctantly. At least I think Lizzy would have influenced
him or tried to do it. remember that they came to be on good terms
with the Gardiners so his perseptions about people of lower rank
must have changed a little.
Anna-Karin
Posted by Amy on October 02, 1996 at 16:49:43:
: I would do the 'post wedding' scenes in a montage like the
: end of the book does it. Little scenes of all the major characters.
: Christmas though would be only the Gardiner's and Bingley's
: not including the Miss Bingley of course!
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You know, when you outline it like that, there could be a followup production. With all the Lizzy telling mom stuff in the novel proper, then all the epilogue stuff: the Christmas end (like Annie (the play)); Lady Catherine reconciling herself and deining to visit; Lydia and Wickham staying too long with the Bingleys. There's a good 2 hours worth based on JA own words.
Amy
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