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Posted by Lisa on October 01, 1996 at 21:26:17:
: Being a fairly recent member of this support group, I was just
: wondering where everyone is. I have seen Sweden, Israel, New
: Zealand, Australia, Canada and I think Belgium.
: I'm in Texas (near Dallas)
: Anne
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I'm from the beautiful, multi-cultural, multi-lingual city of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
I and have lived here all my life and am somewhat depressed that the Expos missed the playoffs by such a small margin.
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Posted by Anne on October 01, 1996 at 21:33:55:
: :
: :
: : Phone number to order is 1-800-367-7765 (24 hrs/7 days)
: : Shipping is $5.50 regardless of number of videos.
: : Catalog source number is 74645<-- needed when ordering
: :
: : Persuasion w/ Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds - 1995 (page 21)
: : Order number is SKRCA080073 - $19.95
: : Also:
: :
: : Pride & Prejudice (P&P2) (5 cassettes) (page 18)
: : SKANE015400 $74.77
:
: WOW! Thanks a lot. I noticed this P&P2 is only 5 cassettes and $74.77. Is this the version that I hear people say that there
: are some missing scenes? I got my P&P2 from A&E, after a 6 week wait for $99.00,
: plus the hard cover.
: Thanks again,
: Bea
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Sorry -- my typo - it is 6 cassettes.
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Posted by Bea on October 01, 1996 at 21:36:28:
Hi Anne,
I ordered Persuasion and Sense and Sensibility
due in Nov. I should receive persuasion in 4-5 business
days.
Can't wait! I was tempted to get Emma and mansfield
Park since I haven't read Emma and am in the middle
of Mansfield park. But I'll wait on them.
Thanks,
Bea
Posted by Anne on October 01, 1996 at 21:39:42:
I wonder if she was a 'late in life' baby and sickly due to
her mother's advanced age - especially considering medicine
in that time period.
Anne
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Posted by Amy on October 01, 1996 at 22:23:24:
: I wonder if she was a 'late in life' baby and sickly due to
: her mother's advanced age - especially considering medicine
: in that time period.
: Anne
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You know what I think she really was -- a character designed to be the complete opposite of Lizzy in every way.
Amy
Anne < Lizzy
Posted by Mari on October 01, 1996 at 22:35:24:
: Maureen said:
: : The moment I laid eyes on Colin Firth in P&P I knew that i would never be the same.
: Colin portrays such an excellent Darcy that I have virtually become addicited to the 6-hour miniseries!!
:
: > We all did - that's why we are here. My feeling was that CF
: did more acting by not saying a word (just facial expressions)
: than most actors do with entire scripts.
: Anne
:
Mari says
I couldn't agree more. It's hard to imagine anyone else in the role:
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Posted by Johanna on October 01, 1996 at 22:40:01:
: : Please, someone let me know if I'm going insane or being misled!!!!!!
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: No dear. They were referring to some fan fiction on the Firth page. See link from the links page here.
: Amy
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Here's a question: How would we produce the "epilogue" chapter if we were in the same shoes as the Director? Would we "montage" it? Or add more dialog? Or .......
Just wondering
Johanna
ps. Implication: we would stay true to the book, not any sequel fodder...yet.
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Posted by Mari on October 01, 1996 at 22:41:30:
: I'm new here. But I have a question...What does Darcy mean after
: he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."? I
: like this scene but am puzzled by it's meaning. (This happens in
: the fifth episode, after Lizzy and the Gardiners are seen on
: their way to Derbyshire.)
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Mari says:
In the fencing scene, I believe Darcy is desperately trying to forget Lizzie, and is using physical exertion to take his mind off her. He is trying to conquer his obsession for her. I guess it's the 19th century equivalent of a cold shower!!_____________
Posted by Lilian on October 01, 1996 at 22:42:07:
: : : : I could be wrong here, but I really feel they diverted from the original text of the masterpiece by making Jane one of the uglier sisters. Eliza was supposed to be less attractive.
: : : ___________________
: : :
: : : She was supposed to be beautiful in the book and in the film. Seems like if I was a guy I would prefer Lizzy, too, but I think Susanah Harker has something too, though not in so striking a way as the Janes in previous adaptations. She has a certain demure sweet blond kind of prettiness, just the kind the character is supposed to have. And I think I saw a review somewhere that called her ravishing.
: : : So, beholder, eye, all that.
: : : Of course, I will rarely admit to any bad casting in this production. It seems all nearly perfect to me.
: : : Amy
: :
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: : Interested point to bring up. I thought Jane prettier than Lizzie at first.
: : Then as Lizzies character developed I found her to be prettier. I think if as much attention had been put towards Janes character
: : the same might be true.
:
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: I read an article somewhere in which someone reputed to be an expert on the era stated that the way that Susannah Harker looked and had her hair done, etc was exactly what the ideal of good looks and fashion was thought to be at the time. What people have considered beautiful has gone in many more unusual (incredible? unbelieveable?) directions than that - consider Twiggy, for example...
: Joan, too
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I agree. In that time and period, Jane would have been considered the prettiest because she was fair and blonde whereas Lizzy was darker and went out into the sun a lot which in those times was not really a lady-like thing to do. Currently, we see things quite different and although I admit that I find Lizzy far more attractive than Jane, this is because her personality shines through much more than Jane's.
Although I believe that in 19th century, people would look upon Jane's personality much more favorably as well. (Lizzy was far too outspoken in that time - which makes her perfect in our current society!)
Lilian
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Posted by Ann on October 01, 1996 at 22:49:55:
: : I could be wrong here, but I really feel they diverted from the original text of the masterpiece by making Jane one of the uglier sisters. Eliza was supposed to be less attractive.
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:
: She was supposed to be beautiful in the book and in the film. Seems like if I was a guy I would prefer Lizzy, too, but I think Susanah Harker has something too, though not in so striking a way as the Janes in previous adaptations. She has a certain demure sweet blond kind of prettiness, just the kind the character is supposed to have. And I think I saw a review somewhere that called her ravishing.
: So, beholder, eye, all that.
: Of course, I will rarely admit to any bad casting in this production. It seems all nearly perfect to me.
: Amy
I have seen this as a problem with all three adaptations I
have seen. In all, at least to late 20th Century eyes, the
person cast as Lizzy has always been prettier than the person
cast as Jane. In none of the adaptations do I see that Jane
is five times prettier that Lizzy!
Ann
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Posted by Ann on October 01, 1996 at 22:54:09:
: : >>>>: Re Anne's musical talent -- in P&P2 Lady C says that she herself would have been good if she had learnt, and so would Anne if her health
: : : had allowed. In the novel, the line is "And so would Anne, if her health had allowed her to apply. I am confident that she would have
: : : performed delightfully."
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: : Odious cringe-causing line, no? Did not Austen love to make us cringe and shudder. What sport!
: : If you listen very close you can hear Lady C say "And so would Anne" in the film just as the visuals shift back to the piano area of the room.
: : Amy
:
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: Maybe she wasn't sick at all, just a hyppochondriac (I think I misspelled it). She didn't have anything to do, and was too much cosseted aas "the heiress of Rosings".
: P.S. I could not get on this site for 2 days, 'cause I was busy, and so this is like a drink of fresh water. This page is becoming an addiction by itself!
: Marsha
Her illness may also have been a 19th Century version of a
teen rebellion. With a mother like that, so strong and
domineering, the opposite is to be weak and feeble. Seeing
her daughter like that must have driven Lady Catherine nuts!!!
Which may be just what Anne wanted all along.
(And who could blame her!)
Ann
Posted by Johanna on October 01, 1996 at 22:55:30:
Look at my bio, I pull from the text an implication that Jane, while quite a beauty, isn't a lithe a we'd imagine. I have a soft spot for Jane, because Lizzie loves her so, and she is so sincere and sweet.
Johanna
Posted by Ramona on October 01, 1996 at 22:59:18:
Wonderful, entertaining story. Quite a bit included in such a small space.
What my desire is, is to see a televised sequel (with the original cast from P&P2 reprising their roles--everyone) that is acted out in front of a live audience. Like a stage play. And the funny moments would produce hearty laughter from the audience. I wouldn't have thought of this except for a dream I had right before I discovered this discussion site. In the dream it was a prequel actually (taking place while Darcy and Lizzy are engaged) and anytime Darcy or others said something humorous, I heard rollicking laughter in the background. It got me to thinking of how enjoyable the humour of the original story is and how delightful to get audience interaction.
Shortly after that I went to see Emma with a very enthusiastic audience who laughed more than I have heard at most comedies.
To get back more to the point, I had thought too that the conflicts would rise around them, and Lizzy and Darcy would only spar now and then but basically would be the anchors for those adrift around them--like Mr. and Mrs. Gardiner.
-Ramona
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Posted by Johanna on October 01, 1996 at 23:01:07:
: I'm from the beautiful, multi-cultural, multi-lingual city of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
: I and have lived here all my life and am somewhat depressed that the Expos missed the playoffs by such a small margin.
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Yes, we are sighing over our beer about the Mariners shortened season.
Johanna
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Posted by Ann on October 01, 1996 at 23:12:09:
:
: : I'm from the beautiful, multi-cultural, multi-lingual city of Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
: : I and have lived here all my life and am somewhat depressed that the Expos missed the playoffs by such a small margin.
:
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: Yes, we are sighing over our beer about the Mariners shortened season.
: Johanna
Baseball?? Who cares about baseball?
Go Green Bay!
The Pack is back!!
This is the year of the cheese!!!
Ann (a proud cheese-head)
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Posted by Joan, too on October 01, 1996 at 23:24:03:
: Johanna
: Here's a question: How would we produce the "epilogue" chapter if we were in the same shoes as the Director? Would we "montage" it? Or add more dialog? Or .......
: ps. Implication: we would stay true to the book, not any sequel fodder...yet.
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Well, I think it could start with "You are all to come to Pemberly at Christmas" (from Lizzie's letter to her Aunt Gardiner) - the year after the weddings - so there would be opportunities for the various family members (for the characters are *all* now actually related in one way or another!) to acquaint one another with what has happened in their lives since most of them had last been together at the wedding... Of course Lydia would be there without Wickham, and the Collinses would bring their new baby, and this could be the occasion upon which Lady Catherine gave up on being left out of everything and condescended to come to Pemberley.
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 01, 1996 at 23:43:25:
: Ann:
I have seen this as a problem with all three adaptations I have seen. In all, at least to late 20th Century eyes, the person cast as Lizzy has always been prettier than the person cast as Jane. In none of the adaptations do I see that Jane is five times prettier that Lizzy!
Well, that "5 times prettier" is a biased opinion from a sister who clearly is very fond of her, *and* who has been told all of her life (by her own mother, no less!) that she will never be as pretty as her sister, Jane.
(Someone earlier in this thread spoke of not having found Lizzie especially beautiful at first, until acquaintance with her lively personality caused her entire appearance to become much more attractive. I had intended to agree with whoever said that, but got side-tracked before doing so. )
Posted by Raphael on October 02, 1996 at 00:11:34:
: I moved back to Texas from Walnut Creek. Pretty area but could
: never get used to the cost of living.
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Yes. It's very costly here. Too much, in many ways, to justify
the positive sides. Second only to NYC, I've been told. Is food
much less expensive in Texas than here?
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Ann2 on October 02, 1996 at 00:40:10:
:
: : On the Firth FAQ list, they claim that this video is available through BBC Educational Programs for $199.
: : The US phone number is (212) 373-4137 for those interested.
: Do you get to have dinner with the cast for that price? Seems a bit excessive, no?
: -Arnessa.
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I think maybe that price includes the rights to show i to classes and maybe to lend it out. That would explain the sum.
Ann2
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