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Posted by Mich on October 01, 1996 at 18:48:02:
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: : So, I don't see what possible plot a sequel could have.
: : I believe other attempts at a sequel have involved either
: : marital problems or problems with their children. The first
: : would not please me, and the second would have little to do
: : with P&P.
: : Ann
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: Ah, yes, that's the problem, isn't it? We, none of us, want to imagine our dear Darcy and Lizzy ever disagreeing again. But with two strong personalities such as theirs, disagreement is inevitable, I'm afraid. But let us flatter ourselves (and them) that they will so enjoy each other's society, and have such mutual respect, esteem and love, that any disagreement won't be lasting and shouldn't cause us much uneasiness.
: I have thought about a sequel plot, actually. Having read the book so often, it's hard not to try to imagine what happens after the novel ends.
: I think the plot would have to revolve around making a good marriage, again, of course. And in short, my idea is this: At the novel's end we still have unmarried young women, why not see what happens to them. In particular, since Lizzy and Darcy will be central to the story, why not see who Georgiana, Kitty and Anne de Bourgh will marry? Kitty will, after all, be spending a good deal of time at Pemberley as Austen tells us. I say something dreadful happens to Lady Catherine and Darcy and Lizzy are forced to take in Anne. Then the fun starts. Darcy breaks his leg after a fall from his horse. A young physician recently arrived in Derbyshire from London comes to treat him. Georgiana and he fall in love. But Darcy has better designs for his sister. He wants her to marry the Earl of ------, an old family friend. Lizzy sees where Georgiana's heart is and urges Darcy not to interfere because she knows Georgiana won't dare defy her brother. Darcy doesn't see the harm in separating two people whose attraction can only be the work of a few weeks, but after some verbal sparring, he follows his wife's advice and does nothing for the moment. Then Miss Bingley (remember her?) comes for a visit with her brother and Jane. She's still as attentive to Darcy as ever and tries to take over Lizzy's place in nursing him back to health. Can't you just see her now as they're all sitting round the fire in the drawing room? "More tea, Mr. Darcy? Another blanket?" Anyway, Miss Bingley has been in London husband-hunting still and she's heard some scandalous story about the young doctor though she "doesn't remember the particulars." An angry Darcy makes him leave the place immediately. Lizzy objects and is determined to find out the truth. She writes to Aunt and Uncle Gardiner in London, but they haven't heard anything about the young doctor.
: Meanwhile, the Earl of ----- is a frequent visitor to the Darcy household. He is, to be honest, a little dull. Being rich and idle, he never has had to think for himself. He fancies himself in love with Georgiana because his mother, an old friend of Darcy's parents, tells him he's in love with her. Georgiana treats him with kindness but can scarcely find two words to say to him. Unlike with the physician, in whose presence she was more talkative than usual. The Earl of ---- notices this and begins to suspect his true love doesn't love him at all. Once, when he came to Pemberley to see Georgiana she was out riding with Anne, and the Earl, finding Kitty alone in the drawing room, ends up pouring out his heart her. He said he couldn't understand why Georgiana didn't love him. He's tried so hard, brought her flowers, made so many pleasing attentions, yet he had no hope of succeeding. Then Kitty innocently asks the crucial question, "Why do you have such feelings for her with no hope of a return?" Well, he hadn't thought about that before. He likes talking to Kitty. She's easy to talk to.
: But Miss Bingley and Miss de Bourgh have other plans for the Earl. Seeing Georgiana isn't interested in him, they're not about to let him get away. Anne and Miss Bingley become fast friends. Miss Bingley decides to secretly help Anne snare the Earl. I see Anne as turning into a weaker version of Lady Catherine. In fact, I see her using her weak constitution as a weapon. Everyone has to tiptoe around to avoid upsetting Anne. Meanwhile, Anne gets what Anne wants. When they all go out for a walk, she must take the arm of the Earl because she simply can't bear the exertion. Miss Bingley lets drop to the Earl some hints about Kitty's flirtation with the officers in Meryton and how she followed around her disgraceful younger sister. And when Lydia, out of money again, comes to stay at Pemberley for a bit, Miss Bingley could not be more delighted. Miss Bingley has stayed on at Pemberley after her brother and Jane return home because Anne de Bourgh says she simply cannot do without her.
: The Darcys throw a ball, maybe for Georgiana's and Anne's coming out (Is Georgina out in P&P?). We just have to have a dance scene. The ball is well received, except Georgiana is miserable because she's still not allowed to see the doctor. At the ball, she hears from some friends that he's gone back to London. After the ball, Lizzy seeing Georgiana's distress recommends a change of scene and society. But Darcy has some business that cannot be delayed, and Lizzy has to help Lydia straighten out her life. So instead of staying at the Darcy's London house alone, Georgiana goes to stay with the Gardiners until the rest of the party is able to join her in London. One of the Gardiner children gets sick, and guess who comes to treat the patient. Yes! Georgiana's true love. (violins here) The doctor writes to Darcy asking his consent to marry Georgiana, and Darcy flatly refuses ordering Georgiana to return to Pemberley at once. The young doctor elopes with Georgiana, who is not altogether inexperienced in this area (remember Wickham?). Darcy is furious, and in an angry moment, accuses Lizzy of planning something like this when she sent Georgiana to stay with the Gardiners.
: In distress, Darcy turns to Col. Fitzwilliam to help him to find out where Georgiana and the doctor are. Lizzy stays at Pemberley. Darcy and the Colonel go to London to start the search, and while there they find out that the doctor isn't as bad as they thought and indeed the accusations made by Miss Bingley were totally false. Meanwhile Georgiana returns to Pemberley with her husband. Lizzy sends an express to Darcy telling him Georgiana is safe. Darcy and the Colonel return to Pemberley and they have a big family moment. Darcy apologizes (most charmingly) to Lizzy for all his angry accusations. Lizzy forgives him, of course, saying she understands that it was his concern for his sister's welfare which made him react so strongly, and she can imagine they'll probably have such disagreements again - over the welfare of their own child, which she is expecting in about 8 months. You can imagine the expression of heartfelt delight diffused over Darcy's face after she says this.
: Now that the crisis has passed, Kitty and the earl make known their engagement. Anne is crushed. Miss Bingley comforts her as best she can, but now that the Colonel is at Pemberley and looks like he plans to stay for a while, Miss Bingley doesn't have much time for Anne anymore.
: -The end-
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You Are GOOD!!! I havent had goose bumps like this since I first watched P&P.
I like your version exceedingly.
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Posted by Mandy on October 01, 1996 at 18:56:46:
: : : : Mich:
: : : : In some scenes Jane does not seems to get the impact of what the scandle will do to her and her sisters. At least not as well as Lizzie does.
: : : : I think this is an example of her Innocence & hope of a favorable outcome.
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: : : Yes - she doesn't look for the negative - almost seems to have a blind spot in that regard. It had not occurred to her until Lizzie mentioned it to her that Lydia's scandal could affect the reputations of her sisters.
: : : Joan, too
: :
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: : I like the contrast between Jane and Lizzie. It seems that Lizzie's two closest confidents are both sensible but Jane colors it with rose colored glasses and Charlotte is quite a pragmatist.
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: They certainly balance each other out. As much as I like Lizzie she really needs both of them to bring her into perspective at times.
: It's a good thing they all ended up near each other.
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I could be wrong here, but I really feel they diverted from the original text of the masterpiece by making Jane one of the uglier sisters. Eliza was supposed to be less attractive.
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Posted by eva on October 01, 1996 at 19:03:11:
: : We all remember the candle in Darcy's chamber, while he writes his letter, burning almost down and when he is finished he puts it out brutally whit his fingers. As if he was resoved to choke every flame in his heart as well..
: : (You must allow me to tell you how *ardently* I love you...)
:
: How wonderful. I did not see these as symbols, but I shall look for them on my next viewing. By the way, if you saw Colin Firth in Valmont, then you know
: that he does the bare-fingered candle extinction in that movie, too. Different context: Valmont is in the process of seducing the teenage virgin.
: k.
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how funny! i was gonna make the same trans-movie observation about colin's distinguished extinguishing skill!
-eva
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Posted by Amy on October 01, 1996 at 19:05:13:
: I could be wrong here, but I really feel they diverted from the original text of the masterpiece by making Jane one of the uglier sisters. Eliza was supposed to be less attractive.
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She was supposed to be beautiful in the book and in the film. Seems like if I was a guy I would prefer Lizzy, too, but I think Susanah Harker has something too, though not in so striking a way as the Janes in previous adaptations. She has a certain demure sweet blond kind of prettiness, just the kind the character is supposed to have. And I think I saw a review somewhere that called her ravishing.
So, beholder, eye, all that.
Of course, I will rarely admit to any bad casting in this production. It seems all nearly perfect to me.
Amy
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Posted by Amy on October 01, 1996 at 19:12:13:
re Valmont: he does the bare-fingered candle extinction in that movie, too
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Peter O'Toole makes a scene out of doing it in Lawrence of Arabia.
These are men. Are they not? Actually both actors need to do something like that or their high-born accents and demeanor can tip a hair toward the effete.
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Posted by Mich on October 01, 1996 at 19:18:42:
: : I could be wrong here, but I really feel they diverted from the original text of the masterpiece by making Jane one of the uglier sisters. Eliza was supposed to be less attractive.
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: She was supposed to be beautiful in the book and in the film. Seems like if I was a guy I would prefer Lizzy, too, but I think Susanah Harker has something too, though not in so striking a way as the Janes in previous adaptations. She has a certain demure sweet blond kind of prettiness, just the kind the character is supposed to have. And I think I saw a review somewhere that called her ravishing.
: So, beholder, eye, all that.
: Of course, I will rarely admit to any bad casting in this production. It seems all nearly perfect to me.
: Amy
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Interested point to bring up. I thought Jane prettier than Lizzie at first.
Then as Lizzies character developed I found her to be prettier. I think if as much attention had been put towards Janes character
the same might be true.
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Posted by Donna on October 01, 1996 at 19:20:52:
: : Lastly when lizzie asked him if he hated her after her refusal Darcy said ""Hate you! I was angry, perhaps, at first, but my anger soon began to take a proper direction."
: : Mich
: I had always read the line "but my anger soon began to take
: a proper direction." to be referring to his directing his
: anger more towards Wickham, but now I'm not sure. Do you
: think he meant that, or did he mean that he channeled his
: anger into correcting his ungentlemanly behavior? Perhaps
: being angry at himself for his arrogant, concieted and
: selfish character?
: Ann
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He said there is only one part of the letter he like her to
forget that was the very beginning. He also told her to burn it.
WAS THIS SAID BEFORE. After all he always loved her. I agree.
Are we going to write a sequel????????????????????????????
Posted by Joan, too on October 01, 1996 at 20:14:24:
: Maybe she wasn't sick at all, just a hyppochondriac (I think I misspelled it). She didn't have anything to do, and was too much cosseted aas "the heiress of Rosings".
: P.S. I could not get on this site for 2 days, 'cause I was busy, and so this is like a drink of fresh water. This page is becoming an addiction by itself!
: Marsha
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I agree - i think she was a hypochondriac (if you spell it wrong, then so do I) and a spoiled brat - along the lines of Colin Craven in The Secret Garden. She needs someone to take her out in the fresh air and make her exercise! ;-)
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 01, 1996 at 20:33:42:
: : : I could be wrong here, but I really feel they diverted from the original text of the masterpiece by making Jane one of the uglier sisters. Eliza was supposed to be less attractive.
: : ___________________
: :
: : She was supposed to be beautiful in the book and in the film. Seems like if I was a guy I would prefer Lizzy, too, but I think Susanah Harker has something too, though not in so striking a way as the Janes in previous adaptations. She has a certain demure sweet blond kind of prettiness, just the kind the character is supposed to have. And I think I saw a review somewhere that called her ravishing.
: : So, beholder, eye, all that.
: : Of course, I will rarely admit to any bad casting in this production. It seems all nearly perfect to me.
: : Amy
:
: ___________________
: Interested point to bring up. I thought Jane prettier than Lizzie at first.
: Then as Lizzies character developed I found her to be prettier. I think if as much attention had been put towards Janes character
: the same might be true.
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I read an article somewhere in which someone reputed to be an expert on the era stated that the way that Susannah Harker looked and had her hair done, etc was exactly what the ideal of good looks and fashion was thought to be at the time. What people have considered beautiful has gone in many more unusual (incredible? unbelieveable?) directions than that - consider Twiggy, for example...
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on October 01, 1996 at 20:44:10:
: Now that the crisis has passed, Kitty and the earl make known their engagement....
I like this - it's about time that Kitty won at least *once*! She is so consistently put down, overlooked and disappointed - and she didn't even get to be a bridesmaid at Lizzie and Jane's wedding, either!
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on October 01, 1996 at 20:59:38:
: Ann:
Austen did say that Kitty, who stayed often with her sisters and was much improved, married a clergyman near Pemberley.She also said that Mary could do no better than Mr. Phillips' clerk, thus following in her aunts footsteps. (Mrs. Phillips married her father's [Mr. Gardiner Sr.'s] clerk.)
Austen would feel right at home in the discussions here. It appears that she also enjoyed treating her characters as if they were real people - in the introduction in my copy of the book she is reported to have gone to a portrait gallery with the intention of finding portraits of "Mrs Bingley" (Jane) and "Mrs. Darcy" (Lizzie), and wrote to ther sister Cassandra that she had found "a small portrait of Mrs Bingley, excessively like her. I went in hopes of finding one of her Sister, but there was no Mrs. Darcy; - perhaps however, I may find her in the Great Exhibition which we shall go to, if we have time..." She went on to say that "Mrs. Bingley's is exactly herself, size, shaped face, features & sweetness: there never was a greater likeness. She is dressed in a white gown, with green ornaments, which convinces me of what I had always supposed, that green was a favourite color with her. I dare say Mrs. D. will be in Yellow."
Joan, too
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Posted by Katherine on October 01, 1996 at 21:06:26:
:These are men. Are they not? Actually both actors need to do something like that or their high-born accents and demeanor can tip a hair toward the effete.
...Not to mention the unfortunate choice of headwear that they must display.
katherine
Posted by Bea on October 01, 1996 at 21:15:06:
:
: ___________________
: Ah, yes, that's the problem, isn't it? We, none of us, want to imagine our dear Darcy and Lizzy ever disagreeing again. But with two strong personalities such as theirs, disagreement is inevitable, I'm afraid. But let us flatter ourselves (and them) that they will so enjoy each other's society, and have such mutual respect, esteem and love, that any disagreement won't be lasting and shouldn't cause us much uneasiness.
: I have thought about a sequel plot, actually. Having read the book so often, it's hard not to try to imagine what happens after the novel ends.
: I think the plot would have to revolve around making a good marriage, again, of course. And in short, my idea is this: At the novel's end we still have unmarried young women, why not see what happens to them. In particular, since Lizzy and Darcy will be central to the story, why not see who Georgiana, Kitty and Anne de Bourgh will marry? Kitty will, after all, be spending a good deal of time at Pemberley as Austen tells us. I say something dreadful happens to Lady Catherine and Darcy and Lizzy are forced to take in Anne. Then the fun starts. Darcy breaks his leg after a fall from his horse. A young physician recently arrived in Derbyshire from London comes to treat him. Georgiana and he fall in love. But Darcy has better designs for his sister. He wants her to marry the Earl of ------, an old family friend. Lizzy sees where Georgiana's heart is and urges Darcy not to interfere because she knows Georgiana won't dare defy her brother. Darcy doesn't see the harm in separating two people whose attraction can only be the work of a few weeks, but after some verbal sparring, he follows his wife's advice and does nothing for the moment. Then Miss Bingley (remember her?) comes for a visit with her brother and Jane. She's still as attentive to Darcy as ever and tries to take over Lizzy's place in nursing him back to health. Can't you just see her now as they're all sitting round the fire in the drawing room? "More tea, Mr. Darcy? Another blanket?" Anyway, Miss Bingley has been in London husband-hunting still and she's heard some scandalous story about the young doctor though she "doesn't remember the particulars." An angry Darcy makes him leave the place immediately. Lizzy objects and is determined to find out the truth. She writes to Aunt and Uncle Gardiner in London, but they haven't heard anything about the young doctor.
: Meanwhile, the Earl of ----- is a frequent visitor to the Darcy household. He is, to be honest, a little dull. Being rich and idle, he never has had to think for himself. He fancies himself in love with Georgiana because his mother, an old friend of Darcy's parents, tells him he's in love with her. Georgiana treats him with kindness but can scarcely find two words to say to him. Unlike with the physician, in whose presence she was more talkative than usual. The Earl of ---- notices this and begins to suspect his true
Wow, Great story, I forget the "particulars" but even back then, if someone liked even a DOCTOR, it may not have
been good enough! The fact that he worked! So maybe the scandal could be that he is just a working man, and not
someone who inherited the big bucks and didn't have to work! But, I guess a scandal is juicier!
Bea
Posted by Stefanie on October 01, 1996 at 21:17:49:
: Go into "Preferences" if you're browser gives you an option, I use Netscape,choose "style and it'll ask for a home page address. If you don't have Netscape, just look for the spot where you can choose the homepage.
: Johanna
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Thanks, it worked.
Stefanie
Posted by Bea on October 01, 1996 at 21:20:18:
Wow, Great story, I forget the "particulars" but even back then, if someone liked even a DOCTOR, it may not have
been good enough! The fact that he worked! So maybe the scandal could be that he is just a working man, and not
someone who inherited the big bucks and didn't have to work! But, I guess a scandal is juicier!
Bea
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