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Posted by Donna on October 01, 1996 at 14:06:36:
I am having major computer problems Hope tpo be back online
before the reading. Might be address change.
Thanks Donna
Posted by Dina on October 01, 1996 at 14:06:49:
: : Being a fairly recent member of this support group, I was just
: : wondering where everyone is. I have seen Sweden, Israel, New
: : Zealand, Australia, Canada and I think Belgium.
: : I'm in Texas (near Dallas)
: : Anne
:
: <_________>
: I live in Melbourne, Australia and have been all my life.
: I'm not really familiar with US cities so please mind my ignorance.
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Posted by Dina on October 01, 1996 at 14:07:43:
: : Being a fairly recent member of this support group, I was just
: : wondering where everyone is. I have seen Sweden, Israel, New
: : Zealand, Australia, Canada and I think Belgium.
: : I'm in Texas (near Dallas)
: : Anne
:
: <_________>
: I live in Melbourne, Australia and have been all my life.
: I'm not really familiar with US cities so please mind my ignorance.
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Posted by Dina on October 01, 1996 at 14:10:02:
: Being a fairly recent member of this support group, I was just
: wondering where everyone is. I have seen Sweden, Israel, New
: Zealand, Australia, Canada and I think Belgium.
: I'm in Texas (near Dallas)
: Anne
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After being such a spaz, I am amazed this spinster from Salt Lake City
(via Silicon Valley) isn't too embarrased to tell Lilian I once lived in
Perth for a year and a half. Good O !!
Posted by Annie on October 01, 1996 at 14:43:42:
Did I miss something here? I read on one of the messages that another web site had post-wedding scenes. I feel sort of silly asking this, but were there any? I rented the entire miniseries on video, which was said to include some scenes that weren't shown on television, and I thought that was everything.
Please, someone let me know if I'm going insane or being misled!!!!!!
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Posted by Amy on October 01, 1996 at 14:47:45:
: Please, someone let me know if I'm going insane or being misled!!!!!!
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No dear. They were referring to some fan fiction on the Firth page. See link from the links page here.
Amy
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Posted by Mich on October 01, 1996 at 15:22:47:
: : :
: : :
: : : Yes, I think we all have come to this point! I have been
: : : trying to buy the Persuasion video with Amanda Root; I called one of the
: : : numbers someone listed for the BBC and they did not have it. I have a Signals
: : : catalog, but the Persuasion listed does not look like that version.
: : : Has anyone else had any luck?
: : : And when will S&S be available .... for less than $99?
: : : Thanks
: : : Bea-
: :
: : New Critics' Choice Video catalog came today -- Persuasion
: : with Amanda Root is now $19.95. Give me your eMail address
: : and I'll send you the particulars.
: : Anne
: Could you please post it here. I really want it, too, but the lowest price I've seen is $79. I'll bet there many others of us have been looking for it as well. Thanks.
: ___________________
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Becareful when looking for this, I noticed when I rented this video that the cover shows a couple embracing who are not in the movie.
Maybe Amanda was not enough of the beauty for the marketing department.
Posted by Mich on October 01, 1996 at 15:27:07:
: : : Mich:
: : : In some scenes Jane does not seems to get the impact of what the scandle will do to her and her sisters. At least not as well as Lizzie does.
: : : I think this is an example of her Innocence & hope of a favorable outcome.
: :
: : ___________________
: : Yes - she doesn't look for the negative - almost seems to have a blind spot in that regard. It had not occurred to her until Lizzie mentioned it to her that Lydia's scandal could affect the reputations of her sisters.
: : Joan, too
:
: ___________________
: I like the contrast between Jane and Lizzie. It seems that Lizzie's two closest confidents are both sensible but Jane colors it with rose colored glasses and Charlotte is quite a pragmatist.
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They certainly balance each other out. As much as I like Lizzie she really needs both of them to bring her into perspective at times.
It's a good thing they all ended up near each other.
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Posted by Marsha on October 01, 1996 at 15:56:43:
: :
: : : :
: : : : :. . . Uncle Gardiner's letter to Lizzy to read, Jane makes a remark worthy of Mrs. Bennet. When Lizzy reads that Lydia and Wickham are to be married in London, Jane most inappropriately states, "Oh, Kitty will be sorry not to be a bridesmaid." Has that struck anyone else as ridiculous? Just checking.....
: : : : : Diana
: : : : ___________________
: : : : I agree. It is not consistent with the sense that Jane is supposed to have.
: : : ___________________
: : : I thought it more along the lines of showing an affection and concern for her sister that is very pleasing. Jane wants everyone to be happy, and to have what they want, and she knows that Kitty really will be disappointed and wishes she didn't have to be.
: : : Joan, too
: : ___________________
: : You may be right -- I am very un Jane-like myself, and I am afraid I don't always assume the best. Perhaps she was showing concern for
: : Kitty, but I imagine she would prefer that Lydia & Wickham get married ASAP, to decrease the level of scandal, etc.
: : kathleen
: : [How I love discussions about this adaptation -- and this story!]
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Maybe she says this, because she is feelinf so much surprise, or just too much, that this is the first thing that comes into her head (I know this happens to me sometimes: if there is something important, to digest, or to cope, I concentrate on details).
Marsha
:
: ___________________
: In some scenes Jane does not seems to get the impact of what the scandle will do to her and her sisters. At least not as well as Lizzie does.
: I think this is an example of her Innocence & hope of a favorable outcome.
: Mich
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Posted by Marsha on October 01, 1996 at 16:00:22:
: >>>>: Re Anne's musical talent -- in P&P2 Lady C says that she herself would have been good if she had learnt, and so would Anne if her health
: : had allowed. In the novel, the line is "And so would Anne, if her health had allowed her to apply. I am confident that she would have
: : performed delightfully."
: ___________________________
: Odious cringe-causing line, no? Did not Austen love to make us cringe and shudder. What sport!
: If you listen very close you can hear Lady C say "And so would Anne" in the film just as the visuals shift back to the piano area of the room.
: Amy
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Maybe she wasn't sick at all, just a hyppochondriac (I think I misspelled it). She didn't have anything to do, and was too much cosseted aas "the heiress of Rosings".
P.S. I could not get on this site for 2 days, 'cause I was busy, and so this is like a drink of fresh water. This page is becoming an addiction by itself!
Marsha
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Posted by Stefanie on October 01, 1996 at 16:09:13:
: I had always read the line "but my anger soon began to take
: a proper direction." to be referring to his directing his
: anger more towards Wickham, but now I'm not sure. Do you
: think he meant that, or did he mean that he channeled his
: anger into correcting his ungentlemanly behavior? Perhaps
: being angry at himself for his arrogant, concieted and
: selfish character?
: Ann
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That is exactly what I think that he meant. I think that it all stems from the refusal when Lizzy said that she would have refused him even "had you behaved in a more gentleman-like manner." He even admitted that these words haunted him.
Stefanie
Posted by Marsha on October 01, 1996 at 16:26:01:
: :
: : : Having found this site for the first time today, I think its important that more people know about it. I for one plan to tell a few of my P&P2-loving friends who've been e-mailing A&E to play it again.
: : ___________________
: : Oh, no. Word of mouth is good. It's just that I don't think I will do any more proactive promotion -- ie listings in search engines, links from related sites.
: I found this BB by doing a Yahoo search on P&P, and am very pleased I found it, it has become one of the hightlights of my day. If I had to rely upon word of mouth, I would not have found you, for there are no other P&P2 addicts with whom I am acquainted. But Amy, this is your creation and you are the one who has to do the work, so you must rely upon your own judgement as to how to advertise it. Thank you for maintaining such a wonderful BB!
: Cheryl
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Thanks for starting this board!!!!
I don't know what I would have done w/out it, since I don't know any P&P addicts!
Marsha
Posted by Marsha on October 01, 1996 at 16:37:13:
: : :
: : : And was Lydia a virgin when she ran off with Wickham?
: : : Ann
: : I believe that she was -- thus the statement "I have none what
: : what none of my sisters has done, and I the youngest of them all."
: : Anne
:
: ___________________
: I've always thought that in that statement she was referring to "catching a husband" - a most unusual feat in that day and age in which younger sisters were often not permitted to "come out" and join in the husband hunt until their older sister(s) had married.
: Joan, too
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I thought she was referring to running away (eloping) not sex ore catching a husband, but I think the other two are just as probable.
Marsha
Posted by Mich on October 01, 1996 at 17:13:49:
: : Lastly when lizzie asked him if he hated her after her refusal Darcy said ""Hate you! I was angry, perhaps, at first, but my anger soon began to take a proper direction."
: : Mich
: I had always read the line "but my anger soon began to take
: a proper direction." to be referring to his directing his
: anger more towards Wickham, but now I'm not sure. Do you
: think he meant that, or did he mean that he channeled his
: anger into correcting his ungentlemanly behavior? Perhaps
: being angry at himself for his arrogant, concieted and
: selfish character?
: Ann
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I've alaways taken it as anger towards himself. It's the only explanation I can think of for the new and improved Darcy.
Posted by Mich on October 01, 1996 at 17:38:46:
: : : (a new?) Steve said:
: : : : Perhaps Darcy was also trying to conquer his "abominable pride"?
: : : : If he was trying to conquer his love for Elizabeth he certainly
: : : : did not do too well, since it only took less than a half hour in her
: : : : presence to put him back where he started (more or less). ___________________
: : :
: : : Oh dear. If he wasn't suffering for love I will be sorry to see it proved.
: : : Well, never mind. Everybody gets her own interpretation, right? I shall endeavor to think of it as I have before.
: : : Or.....I might be swayed to combine the two ideas, maybe. Darcy struggled to make himself the kind of person Lizzy (or another like her) could love.
: : : Amy
: :
: : ___________________
: : I tend to agree more with Steve. I think that he was trying to conquer his pride. He was trying to "fix" his character so that Lizzy might one day be able to tolerate him if not to love him.
: : Darcy couldn't bear the thought of living without Lizzy because his love was so strong. Much like Lizzy, I think that it bothered him to have her "alive in the world and thinking ill" of him. He decided that if he ever saw her again, he would have to present himslef in such a way that his aquaintance would be important to her if nothing else than as just a friend.
: : Stefanie
:
: ___________________
: Hmmm. Since this scene does not occur in the book and Darcy has taken umbrage at her prejudicial opinions, it is unlikely that Davies is doing more than, as Raphael so eloquently puts it, further "reliefing" Darcy to us. I feel, IMHO, that it allows us, the modern viewer, to accept his rekindled passion for Elizabeth when she stumbles happily back into his life. I think his letter explained his position so clearly that his own integrity, that is pride, remained unreproachable, his reasons clearly defined, his need to befriend Lizzie unnecessary. So, I will say that it is a transition that "keeps love alive" for us. Finally, I think more explanation would be desired if after such a heated interchange, Darcy became smitten for no apparant reason in late 20th century eyes. I know in the book it's different, but I am considering the average viewer, who may not be a fan of Austen or the fin de siecle of the 18th century. I am sure I am _not_ an expert, but I think passion is the ruling emotion of that scene, not self examination. Although, Darcy is a char. in transition, so, I am sure a little of that is happening as well.
: I would like to add that Darcy seems like the kind of person who, if he _was_ interested in pursuing any further friendship, he'd just go ahead and do it. So pride governs many of his actions. Later in the book Lizzie is surprised by the "contrast" to "his last address at Rosings Park." He was "surprised" by the"connection" with the Gardiners, which I think softened his resolve even more so and warmed his proud heart to Our Dear Lizzie. So, in the end, Darcy's pride seems to remain justified, even Lizzie herself admits this ("he has no improper pride").
: Johanna
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Darcy's pride seems to remain justified, even Lizzie herself admits this ("he has no improper pride").
Hmmm is right. I've always thought at the time Lizzie said he had no improper pride it was the New darcy she spoke of.Prior to his trasformation
he had a great deal of improper pride. It was his overcoming all that pide that allowed him to become a man worthy of worthy of Lizzie.
Posted by Anne on October 01, 1996 at 18:05:42:
: :
: : New Critics' Choice Video catalog came today -- Persuasion
: : with Amanda Root is now $19.95. Give me your eMail address
: : and I'll send you the particulars.
: : Anne
: Could you please post it here. I really want it, too, but the lowest price I've seen is $79. I'll bet there many others of us have been looking for it as well. Thanks.
: ___________________
Sure --
Phone number to order is 1-800-367-7765 (24 hrs/7 days)
Shipping is $5.50 regardless of number of videos.
Catalog source number is 74645 <-- needed when ordering
Persuasion w/ Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds - 1995 (page 21)
Order number is SKRCA080073 - $19.95
Also:
Persuasion - BBC production 1971 (2 cassettes) (page 21)
SKFOX008394 $22.77
Mansfield Park -- Anna Massey 1986 (2 cassettes) (page 21)
SKFOX005028 $24.95
Pride & Prejudice (P&P2) (5 cassettes) (page 18)
SKANE015400 $74.77
Pride & Prejudice (P&P1) (2 cassettes) (page 18)
SKFOX003761 $24.95
Pride & Prejudice (P&P0) - Laurence Olivier (page 18)
SKMGM500114 $19.95
Sense & Sensibility -Emma Thompson -- available 11/12 (page 21)
SKRCA011593 $19.95
Sense & Sensibility - BBC 1986 (2 cassettes) (page 21)
SKFOX005027 $24.95
EMMA -- BBC 1972 (2 cassettes) (page 21)
SKFOX008393 $22.77
Northanger Abbey - Peter Firth 1992 (page 22)
SKBFS099909 $19.95
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