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Posted by Joan, too on October 01, 1996 at 01:59:08:
: So if Mr. Collins leaves a son, who is still alive when both Mr. Collins and Mr. Bennet have died, this son will inherit regardless of any Bennet daughter descendants.
Then Mr. Collins should have no sons, but only 5 daughters, thus routing things back to Mr. Bennet's 5 daugters' descendants, right? Would that not be the ultimate in irony? ;-)
Posted by Arnessa on October 01, 1996 at 03:42:52:
: So, I don't see what possible plot a sequel could have.
: I believe other attempts at a sequel have involved either
: marital problems or problems with their children. The first
: would not please me, and the second would have little to do
: with P&P.
Ah, yes, that's the problem, isn't it? We, none of us, want to imagine our dear Darcy and Lizzy ever disagreeing again. But with two strong personalities such as theirs, disagreement is inevitable, I'm afraid. But let us flatter ourselves (and them) that they will so enjoy each other's society, and have such mutual respect, esteem and love, that any disagreement won't be lasting and shouldn't cause us much uneasiness.
I have thought about a sequel plot, actually. Having read the book so often, it's hard not to try to imagine what happens after the novel ends.
I think the plot would have to revolve around making a good marriage, again, of course. And in short, my idea is this: At the novel's end we still have unmarried young women, why not see what happens to them. In particular, since Lizzy and Darcy will be central to the story, why not see who Georgiana, Kitty and Anne de Bourgh will marry? Kitty will, after all, be spending a good deal of time at Pemberley as Austen tells us. I say something dreadful happens to Lady Catherine and Darcy and Lizzy are forced to take in Anne. Then the fun starts. Darcy breaks his leg after a fall from his horse. A young physician recently arrived in Derbyshire from London comes to treat him. Georgiana and he fall in love. But Darcy has better designs for his sister. He wants her to marry the Earl of ------, an old family friend. Lizzy sees where Georgiana's heart is and urges Darcy not to interfere because she knows Georgiana won't dare defy her brother. Darcy doesn't see the harm in separating two people whose attraction can only be the work of a few weeks, but after some verbal sparring, he follows his wife's advice and does nothing for the moment. Then Miss Bingley (remember her?) comes for a visit with her brother and Jane. She's still as attentive to Darcy as ever and tries to take over Lizzy's place in nursing him back to health. Can't you just see her now as they're all sitting round the fire in the drawing room? "More tea, Mr. Darcy? Another blanket?" Anyway, Miss Bingley has been in London husband-hunting still and she's heard some scandalous story about the young doctor though she "doesn't remember the particulars." An angry Darcy makes him leave the place immediately. Lizzy objects and is determined to find out the truth. She writes to Aunt and Uncle Gardiner in London, but they haven't heard anything about the young doctor.
Meanwhile, the Earl of ----- is a frequent visitor to the Darcy household. He is, to be honest, a little dull. Being rich and idle, he never has had to think for himself. He fancies himself in love with Georgiana because his mother, an old friend of Darcy's parents, tells him he's in love with her. Georgiana treats him with kindness but can scarcely find two words to say to him. Unlike with the physician, in whose presence she was more talkative than usual. The Earl of ---- notices this and begins to suspect his true love doesn't love him at all. Once, when he came to Pemberley to see Georgiana she was out riding with Anne, and the Earl, finding Kitty alone in the drawing room, ends up pouring out his heart her. He said he couldn't understand why Georgiana didn't love him. He's tried so hard, brought her flowers, made so many pleasing attentions, yet he had no hope of succeeding. Then Kitty innocently asks the crucial question, "Why do you have such feelings for her with no hope of a return?" Well, he hadn't thought about that before. He likes talking to Kitty. She's easy to talk to.
But Miss Bingley and Miss de Bourgh have other plans for the Earl. Seeing Georgiana isn't interested in him, they're not about to let him get away. Anne and Miss Bingley become fast friends. Miss Bingley decides to secretly help Anne snare the Earl. I see Anne as turning into a weaker version of Lady Catherine. In fact, I see her using her weak constitution as a weapon. Everyone has to tiptoe around to avoid upsetting Anne. Meanwhile, Anne gets what Anne wants. When they all go out for a walk, she must take the arm of the Earl because she simply can't bear the exertion. Miss Bingley lets drop to the Earl some hints about Kitty's flirtation with the officers in Meryton and how she followed around her disgraceful younger sister. And when Lydia, out of money again, comes to stay at Pemberley for a bit, Miss Bingley could not be more delighted. Miss Bingley has stayed on at Pemberley after her brother and Jane return home because Anne de Bourgh says she simply cannot do without her.
The Darcys throw a ball, maybe for Georgiana's and Anne's coming out (Is Georgina out in P&P?). We just have to have a dance scene. The ball is well received, except Georgiana is miserable because she's still not allowed to see the doctor. At the ball, she hears from some friends that he's gone back to London. After the ball, Lizzy seeing Georgiana's distress recommends a change of scene and society. But Darcy has some business that cannot be delayed, and Lizzy has to help Lydia straighten out her life. So instead of staying at the Darcy's London house alone, Georgiana goes to stay with the Gardiners until the rest of the party is able to join her in London. One of the Gardiner children gets sick, and guess who comes to treat the patient. Yes! Georgiana's true love. (violins here) The doctor writes to Darcy asking his consent to marry Georgiana, and Darcy flatly refuses ordering Georgiana to return to Pemberley at once. The young doctor elopes with Georgiana, who is not altogether inexperienced in this area (remember Wickham?). Darcy is furious, and in an angry moment, accuses Lizzy of planning something like this when she sent Georgiana to stay with the Gardiners.
In distress, Darcy turns to Col. Fitzwilliam to help him to find out where Georgiana and the doctor are. Lizzy stays at Pemberley. Darcy and the Colonel go to London to start the search, and while there they find out that the doctor isn't as bad as they thought and indeed the accusations made by Miss Bingley were totally false. Meanwhile Georgiana returns to Pemberley with her husband. Lizzy sends an express to Darcy telling him Georgiana is safe. Darcy and the Colonel return to Pemberley and they have a big family moment. Darcy apologizes (most charmingly) to Lizzy for all his angry accusations. Lizzy forgives him, of course, saying she understands that it was his concern for his sister's welfare which made him react so strongly, and she can imagine they'll probably have such disagreements again - over the welfare of their own child, which she is expecting in about 8 months. You can imagine the expression of heartfelt delight diffused over Darcy's face after she says this.
Now that the crisis has passed, Kitty and the earl make known their engagement. Anne is crushed. Miss Bingley comforts her as best she can, but now that the Colonel is at Pemberley and looks like he plans to stay for a while, Miss Bingley doesn't have much time for Anne anymore.
Posted by Arnessa on October 01, 1996 at 03:56:41:
I'm in Boston now. But originally I'm from the Deep South. I'm a Louisiana native, from a little town of no consequence except to those fortunate enough to have lived there.
Posted by Anna-karin schander on October 01, 1996 at 04:53:11:
: : :
: : : : Lorraine:
: : : : Back to P&P2, another thing I wonder about is the gauzy headcovering that married women wear at home - what was the purpose?
: : : It is called a mob-cap, and evidently has had a number of purposes over time. I don't remember precisely during which years the various uses applied, but I believe that at this time, once a woman was married, it was no longer considered proper for a woman to show her hair - hair being an adormnent intended to attract a husband. You'll notice that once Charlotte becomes Mrs. Collins, she starts wearing one. The mob-cap was also once worn indoors to conceal hair that was not yet styled - the origination of the word comes from this purpose, from the old verb "mab" meaning to dress untidily.
: : : Joan, too
: : <_________>
: : That is what I most regret about Lizzy marrying Darcy. I
: : just can't see her going around wearing one of those things!
: : Ann
: >You take the words from my tounge , Ann. I feel exactly the same.
: But we must console ourselves with the thougths of what came with
: the cap!
I do not think that the younger married women had to have the cape on
always.I think that they did not always wear them in the evenings at balls and so on.
In P&P2 at rosings when Lizzy plays the piano we can see charlotte in the sofa
and she does not have it on then. but I am no expert on it. Maybe the
mysterious HC knows more about it.
We can also see in P&P2 that the unmarried Caroline Bingley has a hat
on at the balls.
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 01, 1996 at 05:19:39:
: : Does anybody know what particular disease Miss De Borgh was suffering from??? I believe that she had Tubercilocious (TB) because she was so sickly pale and kept coughing. Does anybody else have any suggestions, ideas, or even the truth??? I can't recall that ann's disease was mentioned in the book.....
: Miss de Borgh was not suffering from any particular illness, but instead was just sickly and cross. In the book, she was described as having an extremely delicate constitution, which had prevented her from going to town much, and also made her into a geat musician because she was too delicate to do anything else (a fact curiously underplayed in the movie)
I think that maybe Anne was ill in some way but it is difficult to
say in what way.since she is to weak to eaven play piano.Can
she have a hartfailure off some kind?
In any rate she would not have been a suitable wife for Darcy
and he would probably never married her even if he had not met Lizzy.
the reason is obvious she would hardly be able to give birth to
healthy children or she would risk dying doing it.and a gentleman
of that time like mr Darcy would expect to have a heir to his estate
and a wive who could handle the social role as hostess of balls ond so on.
and Ann does not seem to be able to do it.It is obvious that
he never consideres himself engaged to Anne nobody except for
lady chaterine and mr Collins seem to think so.Caroline Bingley
would hardly persue him if he was considered engeged. Wickham
tells Lizzy about the supposed engagement but he likes to speek
ill of Darcy.
Posted by Amy on October 01, 1996 at 05:20:03:
I love this. I always thought Kitty had possibilities and you have given them to her.
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on October 01, 1996 at 06:05:56:
: I love this. I always thought Kitty had possibilities and you have given them to her.
Funny plot. But I think Jane Austen told her relatives that
Kitty married a clergyman near Pemperly.
I also think that Darcy would be rather careful about meddling
in other peoples lovelifes (since the mistakes he made in P&P).
but he would surely be careful and check out any man that approached
georgiana.but he would hardly trie to persuade her to anything
she did not wanted.In P&P he hoped originally that she maybe should
come to like Bingley.but he does not seem to have done anything
to actively push her I think he loved her to much to do that.
As for Lizzy and Darcy I think they lived mostly happily but as someone
wrote with two strong personalities as them they must have disagreed
sometimes.Their marriage must have had crises and disagreaments like
all other marriages but I think the sorted them out.Darcys pride
can have caused problems sometimes maybe he got jelaous sometime?
As for Sequels some on the firthlist have written some tiny bits
about what happened after the wedding (just little bits).
Posted by Carolyn on October 01, 1996 at 06:44:19:
: Being a fairly recent member of this support group, I was just
: wondering where everyone is. I have seen Sweden, Israel, New
: Zealand, Australia, Canada and I think Belgium.
: I'm in Texas (near Dallas)
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