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Posted by Arnessa on September 30, 1996 at 01:25:25:
: On the Firth FAQ list, they claim that this video is available through BBC Educational Programs for $199.
: The US phone number is (212) 373-4137 for those interested.
Do you get to have dinner with the cast for that price? Seems a bit excessive, no?
-Arnessa.
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Posted by Catherine on September 30, 1996 at 03:09:15:
: : : I too like P&P2 and P&P1 better than the Olivier version. However, I have seen the Olivier version several times, and found it entertaining. Moreover, I did like Greer Garson, whom I felt put in a strong performance. In fact, I think that Jennifer Ehle has a look of Greer Garson. Of course, Greer did have red hair, but that isn't evident in black and white. However, the cutting and the out of period costumes were really irritating.
: : : : I did catch the end of the movie while waiting for another show to
: : : : start and could not believe how they had butchered the story!
: : : : Anne
: : : I agree. The thing that bothered me the most was that they protrayed Lady C's confrontation with Lizzy as being orchestrated by Darcy. As if our Darcy would ever send his aunt to find out if Lizzy loved him! Especially the way that she did it. This twist in the plot was completely incomprehensible.
: : : Stefanie
: : Did anyone dislike Jane's comments about Bingley, after she thinks it is hopeless. It sounded so high-flown, in that version. and very un-Austen. And they cut out that whole Pemberley episode!
: : I think the actors were good, though. It's a pity they didn't have a better script
: Back in 1989 before I had ever heard of Jane Austen, and when P&P2 was just a thought in the mind of Sue Birtwistle, I saw this old movie (in my classic movie craze) called Pride and Prejudice. At the time I found it very delightful. I liked it well enough to keep a copy of it and view it once a year or so. I liked Greer Garson and Lawrenc Olivier in it. I also liked Mr. Bennet in it too. I kept wondering why the movie had my favor so much. Now I know! If it hadn't been for P&P0 I never would have considered watching P&P2 or reading the novel thereafter.
: Therefore I most readily agree that this old version did do great injustices to the story and cant hold 1000 candles to the new mini. But I am forever indebted to P&P0 for carrying the torch for me until I reached P&P2.
Posted by Ann2 on September 30, 1996 at 04:37:15:
: The board has been up eight full weeks and has reached the 7,500 hit mark. I think it's about as busy as I want it to be and do not plan to do any more general promotion. What is your own opinion? That it ought not be be attempted?
: Amy
I can understand that the time it takes you to keep this wonderful place in order must bee increasing as the addicts gather. I thank you from my heart for this opportunity to dwell on matters of deligthful interest to me.I am seriously pleased.
Ann2
Posted by Ann2 on September 30, 1996 at 05:43:44:
: :
: : : Lorraine:
: : : Back to P&P2, another thing I wonder about is the gauzy headcovering that married women wear at home - what was the purpose?
: : It is called a mob-cap, and evidently has had a number of purposes over time. I don't remember precisely during which years the various uses applied, but I believe that at this time, once a woman was married, it was no longer considered proper for a woman to show her hair - hair being an adormnent intended to attract a husband. You'll notice that once Charlotte becomes Mrs. Collins, she starts wearing one. The mob-cap was also once worn indoors to conceal hair that was not yet styled - the origination of the word comes from this purpose, from the old verb "mab" meaning to dress untidily.
: : Joan, too
:
: <_________>
: That is what I most regret about Lizzy marrying Darcy. I
: just can't see her going around wearing one of those things!
: Ann
>You take the words from my tounge , Ann. I feel exactly the same.
But we must console ourselves with the thougths of what came with
the cap!
Ann2
br>___________________
Posted by Anne on September 30, 1996 at 06:49:05:
:
: And was Lydia a virgin when she ran off with Wickham?
: Ann
I believe that she was -- thus the statement "I have none what
what none of my sisters has done, and I the youngest of them all."
Anne
Posted by Ann2 on September 30, 1996 at 07:16:10:
The other day, as I was checking Darcy`s window and it`s mysterious double existence, (pointed out to me by Joan,too) I accidently let the tape continue and made an observation.
Here it comes out: When Lizzie reads the last part of Darcy`s letter she is back in her room at Hunsford and on the table stands a candlestick with an unlit candle. Nothing odd about that
as it was daylight(and the windows are full west...sorry). But why did Dvies put it there? Maybe to show us that Lizzie`s heart has not caught fire yet?
We all remember the candle in Darcy´s chamber, while he writes his letter, burning almost down and when he is finished he puts it out brutally whit his fingers. As if he was resoved to choke every flame in his heart as well..
(You must allow me to tell you how *ardently* I love you...)
The next candle is the one Darcy brings with him to the musicroom and his little ceremony of worship and reflection. His flame *had* reason to burn with renewed intensity I dare say.
Then there is the scen when Lizzie contemplates her face in the mirror for a while and then seems to find herself silly and suddenly blows the light out. That flame can not be a symbol of her love, but maybe of her wish for the combination of love&marriage. She had told Jane that just before.
Lizzie returns to this dressingtable repeatedly and when she tells Jane of her engagement to Darcy there are *two*
candles burning on it!
And water! First significant one came from heaven and brought Lizzie under the same roof as Darcy(through Jane`s maladie) thus enabeling them to start their verbal combats.
Then there is the water poured over Darcy in the bathtube.He had hardly time to step out of it before another glimpse of Lizzie set him on fire again.
The most important letter makes Darcy splash his face with water to cool down, but Lizzie has only a tiny glass of water , placed next to the candlestick, Which she does not need.
I know I´m stretching it all, but it is such fun.Stop reading if you are displeased or break it all up if you have got a clear analytical mind!
There is water in front of the main building at Pemberly and there is a pond which Darcy dives into to wash of the dust and heat from his long and weary ride...
And Lizzie´s tears, that show how her attitude towards Darcy has changed. She would not cry so openly if she did not like him and trust him. And they make him show his concern, as someone said how he wants to cuddle and comfort her though he must not overstep the bounds of propriety.
Air! If we put air=wind, we can use the scene pointed out by Donna when the ribbons of Lizzie´s bonnet catches the breeze and brushes the front of Darcy.
And it sure is a chilly wind through The little wilderness when lady C tries to scare Lizzie off.
And again the wind is blowing when Darcy says"If your feelings are what they were last April tell me so at once".
Earth! If we have earth and add some water What do we get? The mud on Lizzie`s petticoat of course. (six inches deep)
That was elementary, my dear Watson.
Ann2
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Posted by Amy on September 30, 1996 at 08:23:45:
Ann2,
I think the candles accompanying the writing and reading of the letter might actually have been intentional and you are amazing to have caught it. The rest is equally delighful because it is your own dear invention.
Amy
Posted by Ann2 on September 30, 1996 at 09:48:18:
: : If you happen to be in England any time soon, the Royal Shakespeare Company is featuring Ehle in 3 seperate plays. Also, on their web site, www.hiway.co.uk/~ei/rsc.html, you can find a picture of Ehle with BLOND hair. Enjoy!!
:
: <_________>
: (I believe that those 3 plays listed there were from the '95/96 season - they have not updated the part of their page that lists the members of the company and what they are playing in since last year. Check the schedule of plays and you will not find those 3 plays on this year's schedule.)
: Joan, too
<_________>
I think I saw somewhere that Jennifer Ehle is making a film about a couple of women in a prison camp during WW2. Filmed in Australia ?
Ann2
Posted by Lori T. on September 30, 1996 at 09:53:18:
: Really I meant the new BBC mini which is supposed to be broadcast there in November, I think.
I think that it will air in February and not November.
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Posted by Stefanie on September 30, 1996 at 10:12:39:
: Seattle, WA via Texas, California, England, Japan, And Saudi, but I'm a 5th generation Californian and, as you can tell, Air Force brat. ; ()
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I'm an Air Fporce brat too. I started off inGemrany then Wyoming, Florida, back to Germany, then New York and finally Rhode Island.
But now, I go to college in Syracuse, NY.
Stefanie
Posted by Amy on September 30, 1996 at 10:18:51:
: : Really I meant the new BBC mini which is supposed to be broadcast there in November, I think.
: I think that it will air in February and not November.
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Right, I think I heard Jan or Feb here in the states on A&E, but I thought I heard Nov for BBC broadcast in England. Which would mean publicity would be ramping up there now or soon, I should think
Amy
Posted by Clare on September 30, 1996 at 10:33:50:
I'm new here. But I have a question...What does Darcy mean after
he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."? I
like this scene but am puzzled by it's meaning. (This happens in
the fifth episode, after Lizzy and the Gardiners are seen on
their way to Derbyshire.)
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Posted by Amy on September 30, 1996 at 10:54:24:
Claire asked:
>.What does Darcy mean after
: he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."?
___________________
I will take a crack at this. Others will have comments to add, I am sure, for when you begin to talk Darcy, we all love to look into his heart.
Darcy is so attracted to Elizabeth he can't stand it. He said as much during the first proposal. But here she has refused him and he still can't get her out of his head. It's a bonafide obsession just like ours and Davies lets us see him trying to get rid of it though physical means -- fencing, swimming. And the ride from London to Derbyshire? That must have been for purging as well. Surely it would have been more comfortable to take the carriage.
I've always had the opinion that the need to cleanse himself of Lizzy takes on an added necessity for Darcy. He not only feels he should shake off feelings for one who has rejected him, but I think he also has an internal bout with honor and duty. He is expected to marry better. Lady C's wish is not just selfish and pettish. He, himself, I am sure, regards it his duty to forget Lizzy.
Amy
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Posted by Kathy on September 30, 1996 at 11:16:01:
: The other day, as I was checking Darcy`s window and it`s mysterious double existence, (pointed out to me by Joan,too) I accidently let the tape continue and made an observation.
: Here it comes out: When Lizzie reads the last part of Darcy`s letter she is back in her room at Hunsford and on the table stands a candlestick with an unlit candle. Nothing odd about that
: as it was daylight(and the windows are full west...sorry). But why did Dvies put it there? Maybe to show us that Lizzie`s heart has not caught fire yet?
: We all remember the candle in Darcy´s chamber, while he writes his letter, burning almost down and when he is finished he puts it out brutally whit his fingers. As if he was resoved to choke every flame in his heart as well..
: (You must allow me to tell you how *ardently* I love you...)
: The next candle is the one Darcy brings with him to the musicroom and his little ceremony of worship and reflection. His flame *had* reason to burn with renewed intensity I dare say.
: Then there is the scen when Lizzie contemplates her face in the mirror for a while and then seems to find herself silly and suddenly blows the light out. That flame can not be a symbol of her love, but maybe of her wish for the combination of love&marriage. She had told Jane that just before.
: Lizzie returns to this dressingtable repeatedly and when she tells Jane of her engagement to Darcy there are *two*
: candles burning on it!
: And water! First significant one came from heaven and brought Lizzie under the same roof as Darcy(through Jane`s maladie) thus enabeling them to start their verbal combats.
: Then there is the water poured over Darcy in the bathtube.He had hardly time to step out of it before another glimpse of Lizzie set him on fire again.
: The most important letter makes Darcy splash his face with water to cool down, but Lizzie has only a tiny glass of water , placed next to the candlestick, Which she does not need.
: I know I´m stretching it all, but it is such fun.Stop reading if you are displeased or break it all up if you have got a clear analytical mind!
: There is water in front of the main building at Pemberly and there is a pond which Darcy dives into to wash of the dust and heat from his long and weary ride...
: And Lizzie´s tears, that show how her attitude towards Darcy has changed. She would not cry so openly if she did not like him and trust him. And they make him show his concern, as someone said how he wants to cuddle and comfort her though he must not overstep the bounds of propriety.
: Air! If we put air=wind, we can use the scene pointed out by Donna when the ribbons of Lizzie´s bonnet catches the breeze and brushes the front of Darcy.
: And it sure is a chilly wind through The little wilderness when lady C tries to scare Lizzie off.
: And again the wind is blowing when Darcy says"If your feelings are what they were last April tell me so at once".
: Earth! If we have earth and add some water What do we get? The mud on Lizzie`s petticoat of course. (six inches deep)
: That was elementary, my dear Watsn.
: Ann2
___________________
Well done!! Kathy
Posted by Tommye on September 30, 1996 at 11:37:35:
: : : Being a fairly recent member of this support group, I was just
: : : wondering where everyone is. I have seen Sweden, Israel, New
.
I'm a former Georgia Peach now residing in Charleston, South Carolina.
Tommye
Posted by steve on September 30, 1996 at 11:37:45:
: Claire asked:
: >.What does Darcy mean after
: : he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."?
: ___________________
:
: I will take a crack at this. Others will have comments to add, I am sure, for when you begin to talk Darcy, we all love to look into his heart.
: Darcy is so attracted to Elizabeth he can't stand it. He said as much during the first proposal. But here she has refused him and he still can't get her out of his head. It's a bonafide obsession just like ours and Davies lets us see him trying to get rid of it though physical means -- fencing, swimming. And the ride from London to Derbyshire? That must have been for purging as well. Surely it would have been more comfortable to take the carriage.
: I've always had the opinion that the need to cleanse himself of Lizzy takes on an added necessity for Darcy. He not only feels he should shake off feelings for one who has rejected him, but I think he also has an internal bout with honor and duty. He is expected to marry better. Lady C's wish is not just selfish and pettish. He, himself, I am sure, regards it his duty to forget Lizzy.
: Amy
Perhaps Darcy was also trying to conquer his "abominable pride"?
If he was trying to conquer his love for Elizabeth he certainly
did not do too well, since it only took less than a half hour in her
presence to put him back where he started (more or less). But
he had conquered his pride to the extent that Elizabeth found
him extremely "altered" when they met at Pemberly.
In the book, Darcy did tell Elizabeth that he had wanted to show her
that her reproofs had been attended to.
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Posted by Cheryl on September 30, 1996 at 11:47:30:
Am I the only one who likes Enchanted April? Yes, the match for Lady Caroline seems contrived, and yes there isn't much to the plot, but its stillness is one of the things I enjoy most about it. We are bombarded with words and images throughout the day, most television and movies cater to a two minute attention span. I like how the time is taken to show how these women are transformed from the tight, beleaguered, lonely, oppressed lives they have in London to the freedom they find to discover themselves in Italy (just what is this obsession the English have with Italy? They have a whole romantic, exotic belief system built around it.) The scenes where they are shown sitting in amongst the flowers, sunbathing, painting, how they wear their hair down and dress in less constricting clothing shows how they are finally being allowed to breathe and discover just what it is that they want. And, some of them discover they want to be in love with their husbands again. I remember the first time I saw the movie and Lottie sent her letter inviting her husband, I just cringed! I thought "No, don't do it, he'll ruin everything!" but he didn't. We all know how it easy it is to take someone for granted and often we don't realize what we have until someone else points it out to us. This is what happens to Lottie and her husband.
I am afraid I have gone on too long (and I haven't even mentioned how much I laughed watching Edwardian English gentlewomen eat spaghetti for the first time) but I enjoy this movie and am glad to have the opportunity to view it again.
Cheryl
Posted by Kathy on September 30, 1996 at 11:51:52:
: : We are not the only ones who have found P&P2 addictive. The
: : following is from one of those many movie guides that come out
: : each year.
: : Pride and Prejudice (1996) *****
: : Positively addictive. You may find yourself watching all six
: : episodes of this British miniseries in one stretch. The cast and
: : crew capture Jane Austen's timeless wit and cutting observations
: : of the class system and human foibles. The costumes annd setting
: : are delicious and Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle dominate this
: : comedy of mannerisms in which a wedding band is the ultimate goal.
: : --Mick Martin & Marsha Porter "Video Movie Guide 1997"
: : Ann
:
: I really don't consider this an obsession or addiction. When I think of
: an addiction it usally is harmful. This can't be because so far I listening
: to opera music , reading poetry on the web,and so many other good things.
: So if my six year old eats peanut butter fluffernutters for the last nine months
: for lunch that means he is obsessing. Poor kid, he's off them now, he eating salami
: and mustard and it has to be cut into four pieces. It has to be in four pieces.
: I am wondering were he gets this from. So I think these are very strong words.
: I think we should say we have very stronge opinions about anyhthing pretaining to
: Jane Austen.Besides my husband has watched Notre Dame and Penn State football forever
: He knows exactly when the games are Oh, but thats not obsessing. We all know how some sports fans can be.
: So I view certain parts a couple a times a day, with my fluffernutter for lunch Oh!!!
: I mean salami and mustard. It has changed my life for the better. One thing I did noticed the other is how my
: husband as been saying "indeed" I never noticed it before. Maybe he's trying to get my attention.
: I don't hid this from anyone.
: Thanks Donna
Small world, my six year-old eats salami and mustard for lunch almost everyday (peanut better too, NO jelly)!!! For a kid who hates most things this seems like a strange thing to like. Kathy
Posted by Cheryl on September 30, 1996 at 11:58:19:
: I'm new here. But I have a question...What does Darcy mean after
: he is fencing when he says "I shall conquer this...I shall."? I
: like this scene but am puzzled by it's meaning.
This is one of my favorite added lines. Amy gave a wonderful explanation, I shall only add one thing. We have seen Lizzy after the first proposal and seen her reaction to Darcy's letter and had some hints of her changed opinion of him, but we have not seen Darcy himself, and do not know how he has dealt with the aftermath of being rejected. The filmmakers here are setting us up for the encounter at Pemberly by letting us know that despite all his efforts to get over Lizzy, he is even more in love with her than before. *sigh*
Cheryl
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