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Posted by Bea on September 28, 1996 at 19:11:28:
I guess this is what this newsgroup is for.... I'm
going to try and finish NA tonight!
Thanks
:-)
: :
: : It isn't bad, Susan. But it's an early work, which some consider a transition work from the even earlier satirical juvenilia to her P&P/S&S phase.
: I'm glad *somebody* said that. I am currently involved in
: reading it this very minute, and though it is certainly less
: graceful and flowing than P&P, S&S, and Emma, I do like it.
: One must, I think, endeavour to read them all.
: Raphael
Posted by Marsha on September 28, 1996 at 19:18:56:
: This sounds good to me as well. Although, I did like the idea
: of reading Northanger Abbey together, as I must admit, I am
: struggling with this one. After P&P, S&S and Persuasion, it
: is a little difficult to get through. Anyone else find that?
: Anyone else have a different perspective?
: Bea
I might be a little biased, since this was the first book of JA that I read when I was 12, which introduced me to her, and therefore I'm very grateful, but I like "Northanger Abbey" very much (though not as much as Emma, Persuasion, or P&P(of course). I've read Ann Radcliffe's mysteries of Udolpho, so that makes it all the more fun. Of course, Catherine is not as marvelous a heroine as Lizzie, Emma, or Anne, but she is very sweet-tempered, and I just love John & Isabella Thorpe, not to mention Gen. Tilney, and Mrs Allen (as characters, not people). I actually would class "NA" as one of my top 10 favorite books (but, then of course, something written by JA, is better than anything written by somebody else!)
There is one thing I hate in connection w/ this book, however: the British TV adaptation. I saw it and coudn't stand it. It absolutely spoiled the book: made it almost the type that she was parodying, and cut the best lines. (besides, they made Henry Tilney blond, and he is another of those characters whom I can't imagine blond.) Does anybody have a different or similiar opinion of the movie?
Marsha
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Posted by Bea on September 28, 1996 at 19:36:37:
: : This sounds good to me as well. Although, I did like the idea
: : of reading Northanger Abbey together, as I must admit, I am
: : struggling with this one. After P&P, S&S and Persuasion, it
: : is a little difficult to get through. Anyone else find that?
: : Anyone else have a different perspective?
: : Bea
:
: I might be a little biased, since this was the first book of JA that I read when I was 12, which introduced me to her, and therefore I'm very grateful, but I like "Northanger Abbey" very much (though not as much as Emma, Persuasion, or P&P(of course). I've read Ann Radcliffe's mysteries of Udolpho, so that makes it all the more fun. Of course, Catherine is not as marvelous a heroine as Lizzie, Emma, or Anne, but she is very sweet-tempered, and I just love John & Isabella Thorpe, not to mention Gen. Tilney, and Mrs Allen (as characters, not people). I actually would class "NA" as one of my top 10 favorite books (but, then of course, something written by JA, is better than anything written by somebody else!)
: There is one thing I hate in connection w/ this book, however: the British TV adaptation. I saw it and coudn't stand it. It absolutely spoiled the book: made it almost the type that she was parodying, and cut the best lines. (besides, they made Henry Tilney blond, and he is another of those characters whom I can't imagine blond.) Does anybody have a different or similiar opinion of the movie?
: Marsha
How wonderful for you that at age 12 you liked this book. I was more of a Cliff Notes reader then!
Unfortunately, it is has only been later that I started to appreciate Jane Austen-type literature.
Now, I find myself wanting to read more and more.
Bea
Posted by Marsha on September 28, 1996 at 19:39:36:
: : : I learned only today that the Firthlisters have been trashing us, or me or this board or something. I don't read the digests everyday and missed the damning posts. Anna-Karin or Laura, pray write and tell the nature of this slander for I am quite astonished to hear of it.
: : : Are we too uneducated in Firthlore? Too prissy? I don't understand. I have always enjoyed reading the posts there and have delighted in the difference from this place in style, tone, character. Hurts my feelings a little. Please tell so I won't imagine worse.
: : : Amy
: : :
: : Really? but why? Too bad if it is true.
: : I read them from time to time and enjoy it too.
: : I thought we were all on the same boat, that is, addict to P&P, and adore Firth.
: : However, I think we may be a bit open minded, we are allowed to adore others, such as Hinds, Rupert, Sewell...:)
: What is this?
: Would anyone be so kind as to give me the adress to the firthlist? Is it a group like this ore is it
: some e-mail subscription?
: I have read alot of Firth facts, Faqs, fantasies and so forth but have I missed their way of exchanging opinions?
: Ann2
Would anyone please help me to find out how to subscribe to it, too?
Thanx
Marsha
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Posted by Donna on September 28, 1996 at 20:26:44:
Have been very busy, It's great, so far I agree with the choice,
but is there a certain time we should start viewing the movie .
Read all tweleve Chapters first than watch the movie. How does
this work.
Donna
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Posted by Anne on September 28, 1996 at 20:32:18:
: Boy, are you right, Amy! I'd like to give those Bingly sisters
: a piece of my mind. Bingly and Darcy are such gentlemen, it's
: amazing how well they endure the snidy remarks! They are more
: gentlemenly than I could be a lady under similar circumstances.
: I sure have to give them credit for that. If it was me, I should
: like to take those two women down a notch or two!!
>> Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Bingley's
sisters looked like circus horses?
Anne
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Posted by Stefanie on September 28, 1996 at 20:51:14:
: : Hey! Where is MY bio? Is it something I said, or did it get lost in the shuffle? I couldn't even find it on the main page. Should I resubmit?
: : Cheryl
: Not to worry! You are not lost - Amy probably just hasn't quite got them all linked yet. And if she can't find you, I html-ed you so I can send it to her again. :-)
: Joan, too
I think that mine got lost in the shuffle too.
Stefanie
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Posted by Raphael on September 28, 1996 at 20:54:36:
: I must agree, Raphael, while Lizzie came to life, this happened even more so for Jane in my estimation. Seeing Susannah Harker render her angelic demeaner with such perfection increased my enjoyment of the adaptation, for Jane is a girl who does not necessarily "translate" well into the 90's and yet she never appeared smarmy or insincere in here manner. Hoorah!
: Johanna
I should also like to point to the very amusing and penetrating
phrase "read on!" uttered by our much beloved Mr. Bennett. I don't
think he said that phrase so much as a single time in the book,
and the chatter back and forth between Lizzy breaking off to muse,
Jane breaking in to exclaim that every thing was exquisitely improved,
and Mr. Bennett irritably proclaiming "Read on, Lizzie!" the scene
flowed with much to recommend it. More than the book.
Incidentally, another interesting departure in this very scene that
Andrew Davies took was that Lizzy was far sharper at seeing between
the lines of the letter, as it were, and not being quite so caught up
in the relief. In the book, she is nearly as elated as Jane, and only
in the aftermath is she struck with the fact that all is not as it
seems. While at once reliefing the characters in a more discernible light
Davies is more kind to Lizzy in giving a sharpness of wits most welcome
by her ardent fans.
(I am trying to procure the teleplay by Davies. Has anyone around here found
it?)
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Anne on September 28, 1996 at 21:05:44:
: Does anyone know where I can get BBC adaptations of other Jane Austen novels? Thanks!
Critics' Choice Video has various versions of JA's works.
1-800-367-7765
eMail: vcatalog@ccvideo.com
The catalogs that I get have over 2000 titles but they have
over 5000 in stock and can special order about 58000 more
(or so they say in the catalog). Word of warning -- some
of the *new* releases are rather expensive as they are at
'video store' prices (usually about $99) but after a month
or two they come down to normal prices.
Anne
Posted by Ann on September 28, 1996 at 21:19:32:
And was Lydia a virgin when she ran off with Wickham?
Ann
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Posted by Joan, too on September 28, 1996 at 21:32:38:
: I think that mine got lost in the shuffle too.
: Stefanie
Nope - you are there - on the right in the third row...
(If you meant that it is no longer on the main page, most of them aren't there any more - but there are over 40 of them collected in the link (see [Links] at the top or the bottom of the screen) to the bios page.)
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on September 28, 1996 at 21:37:22:
: Ann
: And was Lydia a virgin when she ran off with Wickham?
Shocking thought! ;-)
Joan, too
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Posted by kathleen on September 28, 1996 at 22:12:28:
I didn't know I shared an addiction; I just thought I was
obsessed with any and all things Jane Austen.
I'm enjoying all the discussions. Thanks for the site.
Posted by Donna on September 28, 1996 at 22:59:20:
: We are not the only ones who have found P&P2 addictive. The
: following is from one of those many movie guides that come out
: each year.
: Pride and Prejudice (1996) *****
: Positively addictive. You may find yourself watching all six
: episodes of this British miniseries in one stretch. The cast and
: crew capture Jane Austen's timeless wit and cutting observations
: of the class system and human foibles. The costumes annd setting
: are delicious and Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle dominate this
: comedy of mannerisms in which a wedding band is the ultimate goal.
: --Mick Martin & Marsha Porter "Video Movie Guide 1997"
: Ann
I really don't consider this an obsession or addiction. When I think of
an addiction it usally is harmful. This can't be because so far I listening
to opera music , reading poetry on the web,and so many other good things.
So if my six year old eats peanut butter fluffernutters for the last nine months
for lunch that means he is obsessing. Poor kid, he's off them now, he eating salami
and mustard and it has to be cut into four pieces. It has to be in four pieces.
I am wondering were he gets this from. So I think these are very strong words.
I think we should say we have very stronge opinions about anyhthing pretaining to
Jane Austen.Besides my husband has watched Notre Dame and Penn State football forever
He knows exactly when the games are Oh, but thats not obsessing. We all know how some sports fans can be.
So I view certain parts a couple a times a day, with my fluffernutter for lunch Oh!!!
I mean salami and mustard. It has changed my life for the better. One thing I did noticed the other is how my
husband as been saying "indeed" I never noticed it before. Maybe he's trying to get my attention.
I don't hid this from anyone.
Thanks Donna
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Posted by Arnessa on September 28, 1996 at 23:10:22:
: : Ann
: : And was Lydia a virgin when she ran off with Wickham?
: Shocking thought! ;-)
: Joan, too
Not soooo shocking, really. Lately, seeing the scene in P&P2 where Denny introduces Wickham to the Bennet sisters, I notice something a tad too familiar in his voice and his look when he says, "And Miss LYDIA Bennet." Just how well did Lydia know all the officers? Had Denny been talking to Wickham about the regiment groupie's "easy manners" before running into the Bennets in Meryton? I would imagine so. And then when Kitty and Lydia are on the swing flirting with the officers, it seems inappropriate somehow. You can see Lydia's leggings for Heaven's sake. By the way, are we supposed to assume wearing red leggings is the Regency equivalent of wearing racy lingerie. I wonder Lizzy or Jane didn't try to put a stop to the whole activity.
-Arnessa.
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Posted by Donna on September 28, 1996 at 23:18:37:
: : : :. But ... was Darcy going to confront Miss Bingly or
: : : : go to his sister or what? Anyone have any ideas?
: : : I think that he was going to his siste. It seems like an impulsive gesture. He
: : : just knew that he had to do something to help Georgianna.
: :
: : I think Brigid is right, he was reflexively on the way to protect -- how, his body didn't know yet. We can only hope that if Lizzy had not handled the situation, he would have let his animal instincts go as they wished and beat the tar out of Miss Bingely. And Mrs Hurst for laughing and jsut for good measure.
: : Amy
:
: Boy, are you right, Amy! I'd like to give those Bingly sisters
: a piece of my mind. Bingly and Darcy are such gentlemen, it's
: amazing how well they endure the snidy remarks! They are more
: gentlemenly than I could be a lady under similar circumstances.
: I sure have to give them credit for that. If it was me, I should
: like to take those two women down a notch or two!!
I thought to myself they resemble something ,its all that plumage.
"Fell back in my chair laughing."
Donna,
Posted by Donna on September 29, 1996 at 00:10:05:
After seeing ARWAV and Enchanted April I think I want to learn
Italian. My father spoke it very verboten but fluid. He was very
voiatile. It is my origin that and Irish.
ciao Donna,
Posted by Cheryl on September 29, 1996 at 00:11:09:
: >> Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Bingley's
: sisters looked like circus horses?
: Anne
Yes! But I've always thought of them as carousel horses.
Cheryl
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Posted by Cheryl on September 29, 1996 at 00:33:50:
:
: Have been very busy, It's great, so far I agree with the choice,
: but is there a certain time we should start viewing the movie .
: Read all tweleve Chapters first than watch the movie. How does
: this work.
: Donna
Good question Donna. The answer is, of course, whatever works for you. I suppose that I shall read the chapters first and then watch the tape and focus on the scenes that the two have in common, how were they the same or different; and then reflect on what was not included, why or why not? I suspect that most of us have seen the videos a great deal more than we have read the book (I have only read the book three times, but have lost count as to how many times I have seen the videos) so that when I read the scenes that are not in the video they seem very fresh and new to me and I delight in them as almost new finds.
Anyway, we shall see how this works for me, I may change my method for the next week, or perhaps I shall not be able to wait until I am finished with the 12 chapters to watch the tape, but I shall endeavor to only view tape one this week, so that I may focus entirely on it.
Cheryl
Posted by Raphael on September 29, 1996 at 00:39:25:
: I really don't consider this an obsession or addiction.
Oh, but it is, it is. Observe the following dilemmas associated
with repeated viewings of said mini-series:
1) the spinal column straightens markedly and the pelvis loses
mobility, a sign of subconscious visual conditioning.
2) speech attitudes and markers abruptly alter. Ethnic and regional
background is severely reduced, and vocal inflection grows rapidly
communal with that audible in the mini-series.
3) Individuals suffering from addiction have been observed to completely
lose individuality in a blatant effort to emulate certain characters of
their choice. Peer pressure to 'succeed' and to 'be amiable and agreeable'
markedly affect the willpower of certain individuals.
4) Addicts isolated from viewings went into severe withdrawal periods. More
than three days without viewing induced vomiting, irrepressible shaking, and
even amnesia.
5) ninety percent of individuals observed suffered from 'fictional beauty
infatuation,' a common occurence amongst those who discover attractive specimens'
of the opposite sex in mini-series. Numerous individuals were said to write
lurid letters to the hero or heroine they were fond of, a sure sign of psychosis
induced by a loss of differentiation between reality and fantasy.
6) Many individuals were induced against their will by subversive messages
in the program to read classic literature. Some were incapable of stopping.
The list is very long and the individuals affected have been markedly
changed by exposure to the aforementioned. Recent polls indicate that
less than one in one-hundred individuals were capable of walking away
from even one viewing of the program without experiencing an altered
state of consciousness invoked by an inconquerable state of euphoria.
This is a very tragic and unhappy addiction which must be discussed further.
Cordially,
Raphael
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