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Posted by Celia Downey on September 27, 1996 at 17:00:53:
Yes, I saw Jane Eyre, and Amanda Root was wonderful as Jane's kind teacher!
Posted by Marsha on September 27, 1996 at 17:11:46:
: English translation as sung by Lizzy in the beloved Pemberley scene:
: You who have tasted love's mystic spell
: What is this sorrow naught can dispel? (repeat 2x)
: Fair dame or maiden, none else may know
: My heart o'erladen, why is this so?
: What is this yearning, these trembling fears
: Rapturous burning, melting in tears?
: While thus I languish, wild beats my heart,
: Yet from my anguish I would not part,
: I seek a treasure Fate still denies,
: Naught else will pleasure,
: Naught else I prize...I'm ever sighing,
: I know not why, near unto dying, when none are by,
: My hear is riven night, morn and eve,
: But ah 'tis heaven, thus, thus to grieve!
: You who have tasted love's mystic spell
: What is this sorrow naught can dispel? (repeat 2x)
: Ann R. discloses:
: : : : 9) Favorite scene/sequence I actually whispered to myself "Oh thank you, yes!" when I first watched the Pemberly music night
: : : Darcy's face and the Mozart aria"Voi che sapete"( meaning Oh you who obey tender desires, tell me what is love?" In the opera
: : : sung by a young boy who has no experience but who's whole being is in a turmoil in the presence of to women who tease him and
: : : plays with him.Congenius! And when Darcy lingers to watch the carriage disappear with Lizzie into the night... and again the
: : : music and his eyes in the dark music room. Exquisite!
: : after my first couple viewings of P&P2, i was channel-surfing and perchance paused on this PBS special where opera stars were performing famous arias... needless to say, someone warbled 'voi che sapete' and a lightbulb went off in me, like it was fate. anyways, i went to my friend, the public library, and checked out 'Figaro' CDs to learn the song (even though it was sung in italian!)...then i had to check out the video of the opera to learn the context of the song... and then lastly (and perhaps pathetically? ;-> ), i found the corresponding English translation which Lizzy performs at Pemberley in the miniseries... sorry i had to unload. if anyone would like, i can dig out the English lyrics and post them...
: : -eva
What about Mary's singing? Doesn't she deserve some praise (grin) Mary doesn't sing as well as Lizzie, but I am interested in her second song: "My mother bids me bind my hair." Does anybody know the words, or anything about it. Also, what about info on her first song: "Slumber, dear maid" (Also about "My mother bids me bind my hair" She must have quite an imagination, I can't imagine Mrs bennett doing anything of the sort)
Also, a little bit of the subject: Why was Jane not taught to sing? Does she have any talent (In the book Lizzie says to Lady C. that only one of her sisters sings (meaning Mary, if you can call that singing) Why did Jane not learn? Any ideas?
Marsha
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Posted by Marsha on September 27, 1996 at 17:18:13:
: : : : < but I'm inclined to think its mostly accute shyness (because he hadn't taken the trouble
: : : : : to practise!)>
: : : :
: : : : Do ya'll think Darcy was REALLY a shy person? I thought he was just copping out with a lame excuse for his snobby behavior. We don't get to see him in a variety of situations, so it is difficult to discern between shyness/extreme snobbiness. His strong personality and presence do not support the shyness route for me. Remember Col Fitzwilliam tells Lizzie how Darcy is "lively enough in other places, but gets very quiet when they come to Kent?" Maybe his aversion to his all knowing aunt and the horrible thought of his impending marriage the the beaten down Anne is the cause for this. When I think of shyness, I do not think of a man who behaves in such a forward manner in general ...
: : : I agree totally. Darcy's not shy. But I think the confusion results from the way Colin Firth plays him. Believe me, I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with Colin Firth's acting. But I think he did give us a different Darcy from the one in the book. It's a marvelous example of how an actor can put his own stamp on a character and make it work. In the book, we see Darcy asking Lizzy one night at Netherfield, whether she doesn't have a "great inclination to dance a reel" while Miss Bingley is playing. And also the comment about admiring their figures from his present position does not seem to me the action of a shy guy.
: : : Darcy is reserved and perhaps insecure. He does not like people to know about his thoughts, feelings or personal business. But Darcy is not shy. He is not afraid of social interaction; he just doesn't enjoy it. But Firth plays Darcy shy. And a friend of mine says this is the real reason behind the whole Darcy craze. She thinks that if Firth had played Darcy as he's written in the book, we wouldn't like him half as much.
: : : -Arnessa
: : When Lizzie meets Georgiana in the book it says "Since her
: : being at Lambton, she had heard that Miss Darcy was exceedingly
: : proud; but the observation of a very few minutes convinced her
: : that she was only exceedingly shy." Don't you think the same
: : could be said of Darcy, only he has had 12 more years to deal
: : with his shyness, and the advantages of being male and monied?
: : And Lizzie has not just been slighted by Georgiana. Shy people usually
: : develop mechanisms for sociallising as they get older, and
: : are then merely called reserved.(This is me!)It also doesn't
: : stop them having occasional boldness. There is also the house-
: : keeper saying Darcy just doesnt rattle on as much as other young
: : men. But its an interesting question, and CF has certainly
: : defined Darcy in this way. Speaking of which, don't you like
: : the way he's always fiddling with his ring? I think its a
: : great touch.
: About fiddling with the ring. I thought iwas the only one to notice... Just kidding but have you noticed how he lifts his right arm out when he asks if he may fetch
: Bingley at Lambton inn? How many times does he do it in PP2? It is used in Valmont and I like it very well.
: Ann2
I think it might be shyness in his interactions with Lizzie, because he likes her, and therefore even if he doesn't feel shy toward people he doesn't care about, he might feel differently. It might also be because he doesn't know how to react to her, since she is so diferent form people he knows. He might act in a reserved way to hide his shyness.
Marsha
Posted by Marsha on September 27, 1996 at 17:22:05:
: :
: : i'm from Israel and i've just descover this site. i just want to say :
: : Y O U A R E S O R I G H T ! ! !
: :
: : (especially in the last part.....)
Another one: not being able to get off this page, and looking forward to getting on it all day
(2) being angry and dissapointed if someone tell you they don't like JA. Finding yourself avoiding their company (pretty bad?) so as not to hear them say something negative.
Marsha
Posted by Amy on September 27, 1996 at 18:01:03:
Marsha asked:
>>(In the book Lizzie says to Lady C. that only one of her sisters sings (meaning Mary, if you can call that singing) Why did Jane not learn? Any ideas?
Maybe she did not need to have accomplishments since she was so beautiful and kind. Mary did need something, poor thing.
Posted by tamar and dana on September 27, 1996 at 18:25:27:
Dearest Loveliest Fans,
It was both a pleasure and a delight to discover that our
admiration and obsession for J. Ehle and C. Firth are
shared by so many other amiable fans. We first laid eyes
on the wonderful couple beginning of July, when the series
was on Israeli public TV. Since the very first episode our
lives changed completly. We could not rest until we
purchased the video cassets and wathched it time and time
again - the whole 301 minutes, no omissions.
We never aloud ourselves to hope that others share the
same sentiments. The discovery of your forum in harsh times
as these was a pleasure. The excitment it caused us was not
easily overcome. Thank you for being there for us!!! Our
feelings will no longer be repressed... We finally have
someone to turn to in times of need.
When visiting London we bought several other adaptations to
Jane Austen's novels (Emma, Mansfield Park, Persuasion).
They all seem to be in a much lower level of production
than this one. Does anyone know what is the reason for
those remarkeable differences?
Dana and Tamar
Jerusalem
Posted by Lilian on September 27, 1996 at 18:40:57:
: : : :. But ... was Darcy going to confront Miss Bingly or
: : : : go to his sister or what? Anyone have any ideas?
: : : I think that he was going to his siste. It seems like an impulsive gesture. He
: : : just knew that he had to do something to help Georgianna.
: :
: : I think Brigid is right, he was reflexively on the way to protect -- how, his body didn't know yet. We can only hope that if Lizzy had not handled the situation, he would have let his animal instincts go as they wished and beat the tar out of Miss Bingely. And Mrs Hurst for laughing and jsut for good measure.
: : Amy
:
: Boy, are you right, Amy! I'd like to give those Bingly sisters
: a piece of my mind. Bingly and Darcy are such gentlemen, it's
: amazing how well they endure the snidy remarks! They are more
: gentlemenly than I could be a lady under similar circumstances.
: I sure have to give them credit for that. If it was me, I should
: like to take those two women down a notch or two!!
I absolutely agree. Sometimes I get so irritated with the Bingley
sisters that I feel like thwacking them myself. I cannot understand
how Bingley can be sooo patient with them and nice about it too.
At least Darcy sometimes (though not enough, in my opinion) puts
Miss Bingley in her place _especially_ when she is trying to
win Darcy. She tries sooo hard!!
Posted by Lilian on September 27, 1996 at 18:45:46:
: : If he were going to confront Miss Bingley in that manner he would have done so in the scene after
: : Lizzy tells him about infamous elopement.
: : If remember correctly, in that scene,he is abrupt with Ms. Bingley after she teases him about mourning the loss of Miss Bennet. He even shocks the Bingley and Georgiana by walking out
: : of the music room.
:
: That is the one scene, among the missing ones I have heard described, that I would most like to see. If I wanted to get just that part of the library's set, which tape would it be? Four or five? I have a sneaky feeling I have put off watching the full version and am somehow saving the pleasure of it for a special time. Dear fellow addicts, you are the only ones to whom I could admit such a thing.
: Amy
It is in episode 5 and it is a whopper. It is my of my favorite scenes. I just love it when Darcy puts
Miss Bingley in her place... her reaction is a sight to see.
I just love it when Darcy tries to maintain his composure especially with Miss Bingley!
Posted by TamarDana on September 27, 1996 at 18:47:21:
: Hello, my name is Cheryl and I am a P&P2 addict (Hi Cheryl!)
: Amy suggested starting a list of "Signs of Addiction to P&P2" and I shall get the ball rolling by listing some already mentioned, adding some of my own and inviting you to add to the list.
: 1. You view alone, and in secret, taking special care to hide knowledge of this from your family.
: 2. You have become a P&P2 "Pusher" foisting video taped copies onto unsuspecting friends.
: 3. You tend not to use contractions in speech and writing.
: 4. Friends comment upon your improved posture.
: 5. As you watch the video, you recite dialogue along with characters.
: 6. You now know how to dance the Sarabande to Mr. Beveridge's Maggot with no prior lessons.
: 7. You begin to smile in anticipation before Mr. Bennett even begins to speak.
: 8. You know what lies around every corner at Pemberly.
: 9. You know the VCR counter numbers and can accurately fast forward to your favorite scenes.
: Any other contributions?
: Cheryl
: PS. Think of all our poor sisters out there who do not have access to this support group. How they must suffer believing themselves to be alone in their addiction! If only there were a way to reach them!
most beloved sister,
you could not have described our mutual symptoms any better.
did you notice that all of p&p2 addicts belong to the better sex?
have you ever tried to impose clause no.2 on a male? we did. it was a disaster.
Dana&Tamar
Posted by tamardana on September 27, 1996 at 19:13:03:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-
: 2) Occupation-
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-
: 4) How did you find out about it?
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?
: 6) Have you read the original novel?
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-
1)Dana O. and Tamar A.
2)students at the Hebrew U.
3)July 1996, when shown on Israeli Public TV
4)waited anxiously, for years, for this adaptation after reading the book
5)Lizzy (we have been fans for years)
6)see under 4
7)we find this question very vexing indeed!
8)but ofcourse! our dearest cousin Mr. Collins and his noble patronesse LADY CATHERIN DE BOURGH
9)"In vain I have struggled..." (banal but irresistable just as well).
"mama, why do you keep winking at me?
why should I wink at my own daughter, pray.."
Darcy and Lizzy meet at Pemberly
the list is endless but we just have to mention the final proposal "...dearest loveliest Elisabeth.."
10)Marry plays the piano forte at Netherfield.
11)pretty much everything that is out
12)all in good time
Posted by joan, too on September 27, 1996 at 19:41:32:
: Ann2
: I have always felt that it added to Darcys unhappy state of mind, and supposed it to be some lonely animal crying for its mate! Am I to explicite?
Not at all - that's how I viewed it, as well. :-)
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on September 27, 1996 at 20:21:45:
: Donna :
:
:There are different titles the one that Lizzie's sings is CHERUBINO- "VOI,CHE SAPETE CHE COSA E AMOR" SONG by a LADY {could be alto} and "VOI CHE SAPETE" SONG by a man guess that would be a tenor. They are different.
: Eva:
:
:i'm not sure if they are actually two separate songs. as Ann described in her bio, the aria is sung by the character Cherubino, who is a young inexperienced, pubescent page. i get the impression that this role is written for an alto and usually played by a woman. and yes, i can certainly see why your son would love the way Lizzy sings this aria ;-)
Having (stage) directed this opera I can say definitively that there is only one aria (song). It was written by Mozart to be sung by a woman (a soprano) who is playing the character of Cherubino, a young page of Count Almaviva who has a serious crush on the Countess - and is called upon at one point in the plot to pretend to be a woman. There are many translations of this aria (some more re-writes than translations), and it appears in many collections of arias for voice students. I have never personally seen it in a collection intended to be sung by a male voice, but I suppose it is possible.
Joan, too
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Posted by Sarah on September 27, 1996 at 20:35:13:
: : I'd be up for this too. I missed AUSTEN-L's P&P read. What if we took it by scene, since that's our main reference point, then read to accompany the scene's we're on. The Austen list takes it by chapter, slow, about four a week. Anyone have an idea about we should divide it? What if we first tackled the "set-up" first -- everything up until the Merryton assembly?
: : Amy
: This sounds good to me. When should we read it by?
: Stefanie
Me too - let's get on it!
Sarah
Posted by Joan, too on September 27, 1996 at 20:35:42:
: Can anybody tell me the address for A&E's P&P contest
: on the www or by mail?
: jp
I'm sorry to have to inform you that it's too late by some weeks to enter. The drawing has already taken place, although I have heard nothing about announcement of the winner(s) yet.
Joan, too
Posted by Amy on September 27, 1996 at 20:45:38:
Thanks to Joan for helping with the table formatting the bios are up and pretty much up to date. Sarah is about to learn the exciting world of HTML and I am hoping to con her into maintaining that page at least for a while. Link below and also linked from both the FAQ and Links pages.
Link:
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Posted by Joan, too on September 27, 1996 at 20:50:30:
: Lisa:
: Awhile back (when I was desperately searching everything online about P&P2), I found a BBC education site for Pride and Prejudice: From Page to Screen. I don't know if this is the production A&E refuses to show. If so, this half-hour program was on sale for educational uses as a videopack (?) for L46.99. Unfortunately, I can no longer locate the site through the search engines so do not know if it is still available.
: Helping Hand:
: On the Firth FAQ list, they claim that this video is available through BBC Educational Programs for $199. The US phone number is (212) 373-4137 for those interested.
I believe that there are two separate products here - a video informally known as "The Making of Pride And Prejudice", AKA "Pride and Prejudice from Page to Screen" - a 28 minute which has been broadcast in the UK and other countries, but not in the US, and another put out by BBC Education "Perspectives on Pride and Prejudice" - a educational set that includes a 75 minute tape of interviews with P&P cast and production staff as well as an audio tape of Jane Austen letters and workbooks. There was a link to this info in the Firth FAQ, but the link does not work - the BEEB has evidently removed it from their page. :-(
Posted by Marsha on September 27, 1996 at 21:07:48:
: : Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: : Amy
: : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: : 1) Name-Paula O.
: : Hey Paula! I am not a teacher, but I am a P&P enthusiast (what would I be doing here otherwise) & I am also JAusten-crazy, & love British lit in general. If you want, e-mail me
Marsha
Posted by Matthew on September 27, 1996 at 21:41:02:
: I've always wondered what is the correct pronunciation of Jennifer Ehle's name. I have at various times said to myself "Elle" or "Eel" or Ewell" or "Ella". Has anyone heard a reliable pronunciation? Anyone here from England who would have heard it on the Telly?
: Cheryl
The correct pronounciation is : EELY, or EE-LEE (however that is done in phonetic code) This comes from the BBC itself, and Ms. Ehle. Hope this answers your question.
Posted by Donna on September 27, 1996 at 21:44:39:
:
: : Donna :
: :
:There are different titles the one that Lizzie's sings is CHERUBINO- "VOI,CHE SAPETE CHE COSA E AMOR" SONG by a LADY {could be alto} and "VOI CHE SAPETE" SONG by a man guess that would be a tenor. They are different.
:i'm not sure if they are actually two separate songs. as Ann described in her bio, the aria is sung by the character Cherubino, who is a young inexperienced, pubescent page. i get the impression that this role is written for an alto and usually played by a woman. and yes, i can certainly see why your son would love the way Lizzy sings this aria ;-)
Thanks Joan,too for clearing that up.
Donna,
Posted by Matthew on September 27, 1996 at 21:49:09:
: Thanks to Joan for helping with the table formatting the bios are up and pretty much up to date. Sarah is about to learn the exciting world of HTML and I am hoping to con her into maintaining that page at least for a while. Link below and also linked from both the FAQ and Links pages.
Amy. Every time i try to follow a link to your questionnaire, an error message comes back saying it doesn't exist.
How can i get it, and submit my answers? Hope you can help. - Matthew -
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