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Posted by Joan, too on September 26, 1996 at 19:59:04:
: : I've always wondered what is the correct pronunciation of Jennifer Ehle's name. I have at various times said to myself "Elle" or "Eel" or Ewell" or "Ella". Has anyone heard a reliable pronunciation? Anyone here from England who would have heard it on the Telly?
: : Cheryl
: I think I've heard it pronounced "EEL", as in eel-skinned
: purse.
Yes, that is the way that it was pronounced on A&E when they said "We now return to P&P starring Jennifer Ehle" (and at other commercial breaks, other members of the cast.) It is on my taped copy. Actually, it is not necessarily a British pronunciation - her father is an American writer who lives in North Carolina.
Joan, too
Posted by Amy on September 26, 1996 at 20:00:36:
Joan counsels: Let him rot in complete and total isolation
I agree, Joan. But this thing gave me the chills so, that I have to wonder it if it supposed to teach me something. What, I am not sure. Maybe it's supposed to either test or change my stance against capital punishment.
Amy
Posted by Susan on September 26, 1996 at 20:07:50:
: I would like to try to fight (politely) for our right to see Making of P&P video. Why not an email campaign to A&E to either air the show or release it on home video. For the number of dedicated fans online there must be quite a number who have no access. It is our duty to speak for the powerless multitudes!!
: I know maybe attempts at calling, emailing and writing may have been done before. But an organized campaign might do the trick. If we can coordinate virtual viewings we can do this. Who is with me??
: -Ramona
: oasis@tir.com
Include me!!! Just list the phone number and address of A&E.
Susan
Posted by Joan, too on September 26, 1996 at 20:11:02:
: Ramona:
:
:I would like to try to fight (politely) for our right to see Making of P&P video. Why not an email campaign to A&E to either air the show or release it on home video. For the number of dedicated fans online there must be quite a number who have no access. It is our duty to speak for the powerless multitudes!!
:
:I know maybe attempts at calling, emailing and writing may have been done before. But an organized campaign might do the trick. If we can coordinate virtual viewings we can do this. Who is with me??
Indeed attempts have been made before (I, myself have sent them so much e-mail on that subject that they problbly look at the "from:" line and say "Oh, no - not her again!" However, I'm still more than willing to be a party to any effort in this regard!
Someone who actually knows someone in the programming dept at A&E did, however, call that person on the phone to ask and was told that it would not happen. (See link below) :-(
Link:
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Posted by Susan on September 26, 1996 at 20:12:07:
Why don't we vote on one of Austen's novels that we could read together. There could be chapter by chapter discussions and comparisons with any movie adaptations. Anyone interested??
Susan
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Posted by Mich on September 26, 1996 at 20:18:31:
It's very clear the what the moral standards for women
of this period were but were they the same for men?
Did Mr. Darcy save himself for his beloved?
Was thier world full of the same double standards you
see in later years?
Even if those standards existed would Mr. Darcy, by principal
wait for his true love.
Posted by Jaon, too on September 26, 1996 at 20:23:13:
: Johanna:
: I have several collections: Vermeer, P&P2, Calvin and Hobbs, X-Files (heh, heh, I should say X-Philes, I have seen every ep since day one, how embarassing!)
(Now there is another series of a completely different genre that has excellent production values! I think I have seen most of them, but not quite all of the first season.)
Joan, too
Posted by Anne on September 26, 1996 at 20:29:15:
: I would like to try to fight (politely) for our right to see Making of P&P video. Why not an email campaign to A&E to either air the show or release it on home video. For the number of dedicated fans online there must be quite a number who have no access. It is our duty to speak for the powerless multitudes!!
: I know maybe attempts at calling, emailing and writing may have been done before. But an organized campaign might do the trick. If we can coordinate virtual viewings we can do this. Who is with me??
: -Ramona
: oasis@tir.com
-- Count me in
Anne
Posted by Stefanie on September 26, 1996 at 20:40:43:
: Why don't we vote on one of Austen's novels that we could read together. There could be chapter by chapter discussions and comparisons with any movie adaptations. Anyone interested??
: Susan
Wow, I think this is a great idea!!
Stefanie
Posted by Anne on September 26, 1996 at 20:40:45:
: Is the Olivier version of P&P good? Does anyone like it as much
: as the 1995 version? I saw only a bit of the Olivier version but
: it didn't quite appeal to me. Does this mean that I am not a true
: P&P fan??? Anyone out there that may support me?
I tried to watch the Olivier version when it was on PBS a couple
of weeks ago but couldn't stand more than 20 minutes. My main
impression was of too much costumes - they seemed to fill all
available space. After the delightful and more realistic costumes
from P&P2, it was difficult to even concentrate on the story. I
did catch the end of the movie while waiting for another show to
start and could not believe how they had butchered the story!
Stick to P&P2.
Anne
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Posted by Amy on September 26, 1996 at 20:48:38:
Joan said of Ramona's quest:However, I'm still more than willing to be a party to any effort in this regard!
: Someone who actually knows someone in the programming dept at A&E did, however, call that person on the phone to ask and was told that it would not happen. (See link below) :-(
I am always ready for a good righteous fight, too. But if they have made up their minds and believe that only fanatics will watch, probably they won't respond to a campaign by more fanatics. What are the other options? First, what's the real aim? Get them to show it. Or get to see it?
Always working the angles,
Amy
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Posted by Anne on September 26, 1996 at 20:57:04:
: Hello, my name is Cheryl and I am a P&P2 addict (Hi Cheryl!)
: Amy suggested starting a list of "Signs of Addiction to P&P2" and I shall get the ball rolling by listing some already mentioned, adding some of my own and inviting you to add to the list.
: 1. You view alone, and in secret, taking special care to hide knowledge of this from your family.
: 2. You have become a P&P2 "Pusher" foisting video taped copies onto unsuspecting friends.
: 3. You tend not to use contractions in speech and writing.
: 4. Friends comment upon your improved posture.
: 5. As you watch the video, you recite dialogue along with characters.
: 6. You now know how to dance the Sarabande to Mr. Beveridge's Maggot with no prior lessons.
: 7. You begin to smile in anticipation before Mr. Bennett even begins to speak.
: 8. You know what lies around every corner at Pemberly.
: 9. You know the VCR counter numbers and can accurately fast forward to your favorite scenes.
: Any other contributions?
: Cheryl
: PS. Think of all our poor sisters out there who do not have access to this support group. How they must suffer believing themselves to be alone in their addiction! If only there were a way to reach them!
Hi Cheryl, my name is Anne and I'm a P&P adict too. Didn't
realize my adiction until watching the series on A&E the second
time and found myself watching the video version in the hour
before the TV version. Then I was watching the videos most of
the weekend. On Labor Day I was so 'antsy' that I had trouble
concentrating and realized that I hadn't watched any of P&P
during the day. Watched one of the tapes and was able to calm
down enough to go to sleep. I'm slowly weaning myself down
to only having to see it every other day or so - but find myself
rereading the book during lunch breaks. I am really glad to
have found this bb. Have only been reading for the last several
weeks but have really enjoyed it.
Anne
Posted by Stefanie on September 26, 1996 at 21:06:13:
: I did catch the end of the movie while waiting for another show to
: start and could not believe how they had butchered the story!
: Anne
I agree. The thing that bothered me the most was that they protrayed Lady C's confrontation with Lizzy as being orchestrated by Darcy. As if our Darcy would ever send his aunt to find out if Lizzy loved him! Especially the way that she did it. This twist in the plot was completely incomprehensible.
Stefanie
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Posted by Joan, too on September 26, 1996 at 21:14:39:
: Amy:
: if they have made up their minds and believe that only fanatics will watch, probably they won't respond to a campaign by more fanatics.
On the other hand, as I pointed out to A&E [probaly more than once ;-) ], they claim that P&P is their "most watched program ever" - and if so, there must be a lot of us fanatics out there - who would sit still for 6 hours over 3 days of something over which they were not some kind of fanatic?
: What are the other options? First, what's the real aim? Get them to show it. Or get to see it?
Get to see it, of course.
: - The Firthlisters have a copy circulating; we could try to get in on that
As a last resort... by the time they are through with it it will be quite worn - and we may be considerably older! [grin] Where did they get theirs?
:- Video's a possibility. I can see it displayed in a video store along with the series;
Another good idea which I also suggested to A&E - in any case, they would have to permit it to be released in this way, so they are still the roadblock in this angle.
:- Learn who made/owns it, if BBC, maybe that video sales place in LA that has all the Brit TV stuff sells it
BBC must own it - and also A&E as co-producers. A&E *did* show several short clips from it in their promotion spots for the August re: broadcast. (And each time I saw one, I sent them mail giving the time I saw it and imploring them to show the whole thing.)
:- Get hold of our own copy from someone in England and have it converted -- (or maybe it has been shown in Australia?)
No doubt the best bet - if we can locate a source. Does Australia use NTSC? I have heard that it *was* shown there...
Joan, too
Posted by Sarah on September 26, 1996 at 21:22:46:
I share in your excitement - my copy arrived just two days ago. I ordered it Sat from Jane Austen Books in Chicago and it arrived on Tues - WHAT SERVICE!!! Superb details on our favorite obsession!!
(I confess i ordered a few wxtra copies, just in case i happen to run into another addict!!)
Sarah
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Posted by Amy on September 26, 1996 at 21:40:36:
!!!!!!! copy arrived just two days ago. I ordered it Sat from Jane Austen Books in Chicago and it arrived on Tues - WHAT
SERVICE
Hey, there's an idea. JA books gets books from England and sells videos. Maybe they could get it. And maybe with all the business we've sent their way, they would give us a copy to share.
Amy
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Posted by hat on September 26, 1996 at 22:10:43:
: : < but I'm inclined to think its mostly accute shyness (because he hadn't taken the trouble
: : : to practise!)>
: :
: : Do ya'll think Darcy was REALLY a shy person? I thought he was just copping out with a lame excuse for his snobby behavior. We don't get to see him in a variety of situations, so it is difficult to discern between shyness/extreme snobbiness. His strong personality and presence do not support the shyness route for me. Remember Col Fitzwilliam tells Lizzie how Darcy is "lively enough in other places, but gets very quiet when they come to Kent?" Maybe his aversion to his all knowing aunt and the horrible thought of his impending marriage the the beaten down Anne is the cause for this. When I think of shyness, I do not think of a man who behaves in such a forward manner in general ...
: I agree totally. Darcy's not shy. But I think the confusion results from the way Colin Firth plays him. Believe me, I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with Colin Firth's acting. But I think he did give us a different Darcy from the one in the book. It's a marvelous example of how an actor can put his own stamp on a character and make it work. In the book, we see Darcy asking Lizzy one night at Netherfield, whether she doesn't have a "great inclination to dance a reel" while Miss Bingley is playing. And also the comment about admiring their figures from his present position does not seem to me the action of a shy guy.
: Darcy is reserved and perhaps insecure. He does not like people to know about his thoughts, feelings or personal business. But Darcy is not shy. He is not afraid of social interaction; he just doesn't enjoy it. But Firth plays Darcy shy. And a friend of mine says this is the real reason behind the whole Darcy craze. She thinks that if Firth had played Darcy as he's written in the book, we wouldn't like him half as much.
: -Arnessa
When Lizzie meets Georgiana in the book it says "Since her
being at Lambton, she had heard that Miss Darcy was exceedingly
proud; but the observation of a very few minutes convinced her
that she was only exceedingly shy." Don't you think the same
could be said of Darcy, only he has had 12 more years to deal
with his shyness, and the advantages of being male and monied?
And Lizzie has not just been slighted by Georgiana. Shy people usually
develop mechanisms for sociallising as they get older, and
are then merely called reserved.(This is me!)It also doesn't
stop them having occasional boldness. There is also the house-
keeper saying Darcy just doesnt rattle on as much as other young
men. But its an interesting question, and CF has certainly
defined Darcy in this way. Speaking of which, don't you like
the way he's always fiddling with his ring? I think its a
great touch.
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Posted by Sarah on September 26, 1996 at 22:11:17:
: : Is the Olivier version of P&P good? Does anyone like it as much
: : as the 1995 version? I saw only a bit of the Olivier version but
: : it didn't quite appeal to me. Does this mean that I am not a true
: : P&P fan??? Anyone out there that may support me?
:
: The Olivier version is widely considered to be very bad.
: Even Olivier felt it was one of his worst performances. He
: played Darcy like a fop.
: Ann
I was sorely disappointed in the Olivier version - it was nothing compared to the Firth version! I kept waiting for a spark between Darcy and Lizzie - but it never lit... I HATED the way they made Lizzie cry so easily - i don't think JA would have appreciated this depiction of her strong and determined Lizzie.
I like this new word 'FOP', Ann!!
Sarah
Posted by Sarah on September 26, 1996 at 22:29:05:
:
Amy,
Do you know where we can get it in England? I am going there at the end of October - if we have a source, maybe i could get it. How exactly does it have to be converted?
Sarah
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Posted by Sarah on September 26, 1996 at 22:51:39:
BRAVO!!!BRAVO!!! good memory, Arnessa - i'm impressed!
Sarah
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