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Posted by Cheryl on September 26, 1996 at 14:08:05:
I've always wondered what is the correct pronunciation of Jennifer Ehle's name. I have at various times said to myself "Elle" or "Eel" or Ewell" or "Ella". Has anyone heard a reliable pronunciation? Anyone here from England who would have heard it on the Telly?
Cheryl
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Posted by Ann on September 26, 1996 at 14:32:14:
: P.S.Speaking of background noise or voices, after Lizzie is done singing and while she is talking to Georgiana,they are all
: comparing her singing, you can barely hear Mr. Hursts say something like she doesn't sound like her sister. Of course they all burst out laughing.
: On one tape you can hear him very clearly.
: Donna,
After watchin P&P countless times, the last time I watched
that scene was the very first time I had noticed the background
voices. Miss Bingley says something like: "...any
deficiencies of execution..."
I also like Bingley saying something like: "...indeed I can't
say, but all the same I'm sure..."
Ann
Posted by Janice on September 26, 1996 at 14:38:00:
Olivier's P&P was not an impressive one.
For starter, there seems not enough reason for Darcy and Lizzy to attract to each other.
Not that they were not as lovable, but there was no chemistry between them at all.
The director did not make any effort to build up the intensive attraction with prolonged and sexy starings,
witty dialogues, and meaningful body language as in 1995 version.
In addition, Darcy and Lizzy seemed rather shallow charactors.
It certainly was not one of Olivier's memorable performance.
Seen it once is quite enough for me.
Posted by A,u on September 26, 1996 at 14:49:55:
I don't know and have never heard it, but somehow always thought it was:
EE-LEE
?
Amy
Posted by Ramona on September 26, 1996 at 14:57:18:
: I must confess that this BB is quickly becoming an addiction unto itself! There are several web sites that I visit every time I am on line and this has become my first stop. When I am through reading the new postings, I hit the reload button to see if anyone has posted since I logged on. I even made Amy's top ten posters list during my first week here. Yes, I am most grieviously to be pitied, however I cannot feel regret nor begrudge the time spent here, for you alone understand my obsession and rather than conceal it or become the contempt of the world, I am allowed, nay encouraged, to revel in it. Please accept my good wishes for your continued health and happiness.
: Cheryl
Amen I agree to all the above.
-Ramona
Posted by Ramona on September 26, 1996 at 15:04:47:
I would like to try to fight (politely) for our right to see Making of P&P video. Why not an email campaign to A&E to either air the show or release it on home video. For the number of dedicated fans online there must be quite a number who have no access. It is our duty to speak for the powerless multitudes!!
I know maybe attempts at calling, emailing and writing may have been done before. But an organized campaign might do the trick. If we can coordinate virtual viewings we can do this. Who is with me??
-Ramona
oasis@tir.com
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Posted by Stefanie on September 26, 1996 at 15:32:54:
: Is the Olivier version of P&P good?
No, it's really bad. The characters were not portrayed the way I imagined them in the book at all, plus there was no chemistry between them. Along with that, there were some serious plot deviations.
I saw this version before I saw P&P2 and I was almost afraid to watch it because I didn't want to be so thouroughly disappointed again. I'm glad though that I changed my mind!!
Stefanie
Posted by Mich on September 26, 1996 at 15:34:35:
: I would like to try to fight (politely) for our right to see Making of P&P video. Why not an email campaign to A&E to either air the show or release it on home video. For the number of dedicated fans online there must be quite a number who have no access. It is our duty to speak for the powerless multitudes!!
: I know maybe attempts at calling, emailing and writing may have been done before. But an organized campaign might do the trick. If we can coordinate virtual viewings we can do this. Who is with me??
: -Ramona
: oasis@tir.com
I'm in
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Posted by Stefanie on September 26, 1996 at 16:07:15:
: : I would like to try to fight (politely) for our right to see Making of P&P video. Why not an email campaign to A&E to either air the show or release it on home video. For the number of dedicated fans online there must be quite a number who have no access. It is our duty to speak for the powerless multitudes!!
: : I know maybe attempts at calling, emailing and writing may have been done before. But an organized campaign might do the trick. If we can coordinate virtual viewings we can do this. Who is with me??
: : -Ramona
: : oasis@tir.com
: I'm in
Me too!
-Stefanie
Posted by Sarah on September 26, 1996 at 16:16:43:
Hi, could you please say what book I should read after Pride and Prejudice
and Sense and Sensibility.
Please e-mail me.
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Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on September 26, 1996 at 16:34:09:
: In so many of Jane Austen's novels she talks about a place called Bath. Can anyone tell where this place is and why is seems to be so important
to the people of this period.
It was a health resort and retirement town, and a provincial outpost of fashonable life (though not as fashionable as it had been in earlier decades). Jane Austen's parents were married there, she lived there for almost five years, and her father is buried there.
The Map of Bath linked to below will probably tell you more than you want to know about the layout of the town.
Link:
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Posted by Chris on September 26, 1996 at 16:36:45:
: : :. But ... was Darcy going to confront Miss Bingly or
: : : go to his sister or what? Anyone have any ideas?
: : I think that he was going to his siste. It seems like an impulsive gesture. He
: : just knew that he had to do something to help Georgianna.
:
: I think Brigid is right, he was reflexively on the way to protect -- how, his body didn't know yet. We can only hope that if Lizzy had not handled the situation, he would have let his animal instincts go as they wished and beat the tar out of Miss Bingely. And Mrs Hurst for laughing and jsut for good measure.
: Amy
Boy, are you right, Amy! I'd like to give those Bingly sisters
a piece of my mind. Bingly and Darcy are such gentlemen, it's
amazing how well they endure the snidy remarks! They are more
gentlemenly than I could be a lady under similar circumstances.
I sure have to give them credit for that. If it was me, I should
like to take those two women down a notch or two!!
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Posted by Sally on September 26, 1996 at 16:38:20:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-Sally
: 2) Occupation-clergywoman (United Methodist)
: 3) When you first saw P&P2- August, 1996
: 4) How did you find out about it? by accident channel surfing at midnight
: 5) What interested you in seeing it? I came in on the scene when Darcy was pouting at the dance at Netherfield, and I couldn't stop!
: 6) Have you read the original novel? Yes
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? During
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.) Lizzie
s aunt from Derbyshire. She always looks as if she knows more than she is letting on.
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence - Darcy's "first" proposal to Lizzie.
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)- Mrs. Bennett at Netherfield talking about how rich Bingley was while she was stuffing her face.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed- None, so far.
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)- I was literally glued to the television set the whole time P&P was on, and was desperate to purchase the video. I thought I was the only one until I found this site!
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Posted by Cheryl on September 26, 1996 at 16:44:40:
: P.S.Speaking of background noise or voices, after Lizzie is done singing and while she is talking to Georgiana,they are all
: comparing her singing, you can barely hear Mr. Hursts say something like she doesn't sound like her sister. Of course they all burst out laughing.
: On one tape you can hear him very clearly.
: Donna,
Wow! I never heard this before. This is what I love about this series, there is always more to be gleaned from additional viewings. Now I have something to listen for next time.
Cheryl
Posted by Cheryl on September 26, 1996 at 16:50:13:
: I would like to try to fight (politely) for our right to see Making of P&P video. Why not an email campaign to A&E to either air the show or release it on home video. For the number of dedicated fans online there must be quite a number who have no access. It is our duty to speak for the powerless multitudes!!
: I know maybe attempts at calling, emailing and writing may have been done before. But an organized campaign might do the trick. If we can coordinate virtual viewings we can do this. Who is with me??
: -Ramona
: oasis@tir.com
Sounds great! You go, girl! (I know, that does not sound very Austen-like. I shall be more circumspect on subsequent postings!)
Cheryl
Posted by Anna-Karin Schander on September 26, 1996 at 17:08:48:
: : : The Olivier version is widely considered to be very bad.
: : : Even Olivier felt it was one of his worst performances. He
: : : played Darcy like a fop.
: :
: : Ann, I am happy to hear this. Do you really think it's a general opinion? I know some who love the movie despite the costuming errors and all the other liberties.
: : Amy
: :
: I'm afraid not all share the opinion.
: Here is the review from "Leonard Maltin's Movie and Video
: Guide 1995":
: "(****)
: Outstanding adaptaion of Jane Austen's novel about five
: husband-hunting sisters in 19th century England. Excellent
: cast, fine period flavor in classic comedy of manners;
: Aldous Huxley was one of the screen writers. Cedric Gibbons
: and Paul Groesse's art direction deservedly earned an Oscar."
: --Leonard Maltin
: I think that review just shows that Maltin had not the
: slightest appreciation for the book! The movie has the same
: authenticity to the book as Demi Moore's "Scarlet Letter"!
: I think Firth--on the A&E site--is again the source for
: Olivier's opinion of his own performance.
: Ann
I saw the Oliver version on TNT her in Sweden a week ago or so.
It is very unlike the book. It is sometimes funny but the discrepances
from the original are to many and unnecessary.Even if one must
exuce some of them because of the time it was made in 1940.
What annoys me most is the fact that darcys admiration for Lizzy is evident
the whole time he does not try to hide it . So one get no sense
that he is struggling with himself. And ofcause the time period is wrong
around 1840 insted of 1813.And they speak about the battle of Waterloo
wich took place in 1815
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Posted by Mich on September 26, 1996 at 17:10:23:
: : : If he were going to confront Miss Bingley in that manner he would have done so in the scene after
: : : Lizzy tells him about infamous elopement.
: : : If remember correctly, in that scene,he is abrupt with Ms. Bingley after she teases him about mourning the loss of Miss Bennet. He even shocks the Bingley and Georgiana by walking out
: : : of the music room.
: :
: : That is the one scene, among the missing ones I have heard described, that I would most like to see. If I wanted to get just that part of the library's set, which tape would it be? Four or five? I have a sneaky feeling I have put off watching the full version and am somehow saving the pleasure of it for a special time. Dear fellow addicts, you are the only ones to whom I could admit such a thing.
: : Amy
:
: I am anxiously waiting to see this scene too. I thought the line "mourning the loss" was only said once in the movie. That being at Nfield when Jane and Lizzie were leaving.
: After they all{Lizzie, Aunt, and Uncle} leave Pemberly Miss Bingley says how old Lizzie looks, he tells her off then he leaves the music room. Wrong or right. That is alot to leave out.
: Donna,
: P.S.Speaking of background noise or voices, after Lizzie is done singing and while she is talking to Georgiana,they are all
: comparing her singing, you can barely hear Mr. Hursts say something like she doesn't sound like her sister. Of course they all burst out laughing.
: On one tape you can hear him very clearly.
: Donna,
I am anxiously waiting to see this scene too. I thought the line "mourning the loss" was only said once in the movie. That being at Nfield when Jane and Lizzie were leaving.
: After they all{Lizzie, Aunt, and Uncle} leave Pemberly Miss Bingley says how old Lizzie looks, he tells her off then he leaves the music room. Wrong or right. That is alot to leave out.
It's a later scene than the above. You'll love it. It's very satisfing!
Mich
Posted by Mich on September 26, 1996 at 17:10:48:
: : : If he were going to confront Miss Bingley in that manner he would have done so in the scene after
: : : Lizzy tells him about infamous elopement.
: : : If remember correctly, in that scene,he is abrupt with Ms. Bingley after she teases him about mourning the loss of Miss Bennet. He even shocks the Bingley and Georgiana by walking out
: : : of the music room.
: :
: : That is the one scene, among the missing ones I have heard described, that I would most like to see. If I wanted to get just that part of the library's set, which tape would it be? Four or five? I have a sneaky feeling I have put off watching the full version and am somehow saving the pleasure of it for a special time. Dear fellow addicts, you are the only ones to whom I could admit such a thing.
: : Amy
:
: I am anxiously waiting to see this scene too. I thought the line "mourning the loss" was only said once in the movie. That being at Nfield when Jane and Lizzie were leaving.
: After they all{Lizzie, Aunt, and Uncle} leave Pemberly Miss Bingley says how old Lizzie looks, he tells her off then he leaves the music room. Wrong or right. That is alot to leave out.
: Donna,
: P.S.Speaking of background noise or voices, after Lizzie is done singing and while she is talking to Georgiana,they are all
: comparing her singing, you can barely hear Mr. Hursts say something like she doesn't sound like her sister. Of course they all burst out laughing.
: On one tape you can hear him very clearly.
: Donna,
I am anxiously waiting to see this scene too. I thought the line "mourning the loss" was only said once in the movie. That being at Nfield when Jane and Lizzie were leaving.
: After they all{Lizzie, Aunt, and Uncle} leave Pemberly Miss Bingley says how old Lizzie looks, he tells her off then he leaves the music room. Wrong or right. That is alot to leave out.
It's a later scene than the above. You'll love it. It's very satisfing!
Mich
Posted by Stefanie on September 26, 1996 at 17:22:45:
: Hi, could you please say what book I should read after Pride and Prejudice
: and Sense and Sensibility.
: Please e-mail me.
Defintely read Emma. Besides the fact that it is a great Austen novel, A&E/BBC are making a mini-series out of it!!
Stefanie
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