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Posted by Ann on September 25, 1996 at 21:37:16:
:
: After I purged all the threads about the next virtual view, Ann, your
: posts number more than my own -- 43 vs 40 in the last 6 days.
: FYI those making at least 6 posts during those 6 days number
: 9 of the 66 different posters:
:
: Ann1 43
: Amy 40
: Joan, too 28
: Tommeye 18
: Donna 10
: Marie 9
: Cheryl 7
: Marsha 6
: hat 6
:
How embarassing!! But then I am unemployed at the moment with lots of free time!
Ann
Posted by Ramona on September 25, 1996 at 21:40:25:
: Does anyone know where I can get BBC adaptations of other Jane Austen novels? Thanks!
Here are the mail order catalogs that I have seen all of them listed: all 6 BBC minis from the 70s and 80s
Critic's Choice
PBS Home Video 1-800-645-4PBS
The Video Catalog 1-800-733-2232
The prices run about $25 a piece. If only it were that cheap to get the recent films!!
If you need further info such as addresses then email me
Ramona
oasis@tir.com
Posted by Joan, too on September 25, 1996 at 21:47:04:
: Johanna:
:I hate to be a party-pooper, but that's not the cry of a peacock. Additionally peacocks don't cry through the night. I'm not sure what it is, but I really think it's a dramatic element (sounds like some bird of prey to me). Don't be mad at me! I lived at a house in England that was loaded with the damn things! I think they are beautiful etc, but that wasn't the call I remember hearing for those years.
I, too, have experienced the cacophonous voices of peacocks, and do believe that the sound heard outside Darcy's window to be quite similar to the cry of
a peacock heard at a distance (and they *can* be heard at quite a distance! They definitely do have voices most unsuited to the beauty and grace of their plumage. O where is J. J. Audubon when we need him?
Joan, too
Posted by Ramona on September 25, 1996 at 21:49:57:
After months of searching and waiting, my copy of Making of Pride and Prejudice arrived from Jane Austen Books. At first I doubted how much could be in such a slim and slight (appearing) book, now I know not to trust my first impression ;)
I was astonished and pleased beyond words by how much information was packed in the book. Not to mention the tons of color photos B&W was only used for the personal publicity stills of the actors as they look out of character (a very interesting thing to see!!) My excitement and fufillment is just about on the level of when I first discovered P&P2. And for me it makes the production come alive once again. This is exactly the kind of book I have longed for for many other past interests. It has quite met my expectations.
I heartily concur with any past reccomendations by other posters here. By this book!!!! Ordering info is located at the FAQ at the top of this Discussion Site page. I am ready to order several more copies for my fellow aquaintances who are fans.
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Posted by Anne on September 25, 1996 at 21:58:33:
: After months of searching and waiting, my copy of Making of Pride and Prejudice arrived from Jane Austen Books. At first I doubted how much could be in such a slim and slight (appearing) book, now I know not to trust my first impression ;)
: I was astonished and pleased beyond words by how much information was packed in the book. Not to mention the tons of color photos B&W was only used for the personal publicity stills of the actors as they look out of character (a very interesting thing to see!!) My excitement and fufillment is just about on the level of when I first discovered P&P2. And for me it makes the production come alive once again. This is exactly the kind of book I have longed for for many other past interests. It has quite met my expectations.
: I heartily concur with any past reccomendations by other posters here. By this book!!!! Ordering info is located at the FAQ at the top of this Discussion Site page. I am ready to order several more copies for my fellow aquaintances who are fans.
I want to add a second to that. I received my copy yesterday after having heard about the book on this bulletin board.
I had a friend in Canada pick it up for me as I couldn't find a copy locally. Even if the book wasn't as good and informative as it is,
it would have been worth the price to get the picture on page 98 of Darcy watching Lizzy play the piano. All of my friends agree with
me that we would give anything to have someone look at us with the look of love that Darcy gives in that scene.
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Posted by Lilian on September 25, 1996 at 22:10:54:
: : The moment I laid eyes on Colin Firth in P&P I knew that i would never be the same. Colin portrays such an excellent Darcy that I have virtually become addicited to the 6-hour miniseries!! If anyone is just as obsessed as me, email me and we'll talk!! Don't be scared, there are a lot of us Darcy-lovers out there!!
: : Oh- by the way - I am new to your forum!
: : You also know that there are better Merchant ivory films than Room with a View!!!
: : -Maureen
: You think you're addicted? I too was never the same after I had to study
: the novel for Year 11 English. (And I wasn't keen about it at the start
: although after watching the 1985 BBC adaption my view thus changed).
: I think Firth makes an excellent Darcy and I absolutely adore the 1995
: adaption soooo much that I have watched the whole series twice in the
: last few weeks (and I keep on rewinding the Darcy bits :) ).
: So much for studying! Ahhhh.....
Lilian
At the beginning I didn't think I would like Colin Firth as
Darcy. I was wrong. I would love to visit his beaufitul
estate at Pemberley anytime. I became a P& P addict in
high school when I first read the book. By the way have you
seen the b&w P&P version with Laurence Olivier? I have P&P
on tape and I have watched it so many time I can't count. My
niece loves the part when he gets out of the lake with his
clingy white shirt. Me and my mother try to count all
the times he smiles during the course of the movie.
Jocelyn
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Posted by Ann on September 25, 1996 at 22:12:51:
: HC demanded that I:
: >>Look at this one for a more fully buttoned-up and frontal view.
: Much better. More than tolerable. I don't hate the Brock drawings. In fact there's a nice way in them of being vauge enough to not destroy a previous impression. (Except that assembly room thing -- I do hate that, though... now I think of it I am supposed to think ill of Darcy at that point, just as Lizzy does, so maybe the thing does its work?)
: Now that Firth has played Darcy, though, it's my opinion that Darcy can never be thought of in quite the same way ever again. Kind of like Rhett Butler must look like Clark Gable -- there is no other possible way to picture him, hence the impossibility of a remake.
:
: Amy
I think in one of the interviews I read (probably on the A&E
site) Firth pointed out that nowhere in Austen is there the
slightest description of Darcy beyond his being handsome and
tall. Firth said he had to dye his hair because everyone's
mental picture of Darcy has dark hair. So here's a thought
experiment:
Imagine Darcy blond!
or red-headed!
Can't be done. Now Darcy=Firth.
Ann
Posted by Katherine on September 25, 1996 at 22:47:04:
:
:
:.. I have an audio tape of the entire film for the car. Since the visuals are so embedded I don't need them to enjoy the story -- again.
:
: Amy
THE CAR!!! I never thought of the car! My husband will never find them there. Although this brings back vague memories of smoking cigarettes out the bathroom window while in High School I must beg you to tell me how you were able to produce an audible copy.
My particular addiction has caused a slight problem in my family. My (I thought)identical twin sister watched P&P2 one time only and has declared that she prefers P&P1 ! We can not even discuss the series without our conversation degenerating into hateful name calling.
We have decided to not discuss it...and I have a call in to our mother to see if there was possibly any
oxygen deprivation at her birth which may account for such a gross misjudgement. Her weak arguement is that it is perhaps like viewing your first live performance of Hamlet - the words have such a profound effect and that performance becomes the one you hold the most precious. (I still think she's nuts)
Katherine
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Posted by Ann2 on September 26, 1996 at 01:16:14:
: : When this board first went up, I reposted a couple of Lisa Warrington's long essays to the Firthlist to get some content going. Since the topic has come around again, I'll put up Lisa's P&P 1&2 comparison piece permanently. For future reference, after this message goes away, it will be linked from the FAQ under the "Numbering system" question.
:
: I have not seen the early version of P&P, but Lisa has expressed P&P2
: so well. It is perfect. The only scene that really was really so cute is and not easily notced. Is
: at Pemberly while they were walking is when Lizzie's bow would catch the breeze and brush across the front of Mr. Darcy.
: It was also timed to the music. It was so romantic. Maybe you haven't
: noticed this scene but maybe you all have.
:
: Donna
Oh yes Donna I love that too, and the way they hardly dare to look at each other, and as a Sign of Addiction I might
mention that I know exactly where to direct my eyes when they disappear behind that tree... To be sure to see every
second of Darcy´s hand as he hands her into the carriage. His face is so heartpitching when he utters: I hope we shall
meet soon... and so forth. Sigh!
Ann2
Posted by Arnessa on September 26, 1996 at 01:44:28:
: Sarah said:
: : It is too bad we do not have some of the original confessions available in archives...so many expressions just like yours, Tommye and Cheryl!!! Arnessa had one that was quite an accurate description for so many of us - compelling and true in its confession. Someone (may have been Arnessa, i can't remember) talked of carrying extra copies with her pushing it off on anyone she could!! (thus also lableing her a PUSHER!!!)
: I can't tell you how badly I feel about trashing that particular post. When this board first went up, I neglected to keep the first 80 or so messages, telling myself they were mostly tests. But Arnessa's great addiction post was among them.
: Arnessa, if you are over there behind that screen I covered last spring, pray appear and tell if there's a chance you might have kept a copy of that post.
: Absent that, what do you say we begin a list of "Signs of Addiction," starting with some of the behaviors mentioned in this thread: pushing, hiding it from family. I would add a tendency not to use contractions in speech and writing and improved posture.
: Amy
I've been neglecting my addiction for awhile because of my job. I wonder very much how my work could have imposed on me. It cannot know what my addiction really is. Unfortunately, I didn't keep a copy of my addiction post. But I will try to reconstruct it as I remember it...
Hi everyone, my name is Arnessa, and I'm a P&P2 addict. [Everyone say: "Hi, Arnessa] It all started when I saw the review for the Pride & Prejudice series in my newspaper's TV section. Something told me I just had to see it. So I called my cable operator and ordered A&E the night before the series was supposed to start. Since I work nights, I had to set my VCR and tape each episode. Every night after work for three nights, I would stay up well into the morning watching what I had taped. Then I'd go to bed and when I woke up, I'd watch some of the scenes I particularly liked over again. Then I'd go into work just barely able to keep my eyes open. When I had the complete series on tape, I would watch it over and over again every night, sometimes not even fast forwarding through the commercials to make the experience last longer. Then I found out about the missing scenes, and I had to order the boxed set. It sat on my shelf for several weeks, as if part of some shrine, as I waited for the right moment to peel away the plastic wrapping. And then one day, no longer able to stand it anymore, I tore into to package in a fit of ectasy... I should have realized then that I was in trouble.
But I didn't. I didn't realize I had a problem until (sob) I began PUSHING the tapes on my friends and coworkers. (I'm so ashamed!) You see, I could no longer get the same high just watching the tapes by myself. I had to turn other people into addicts so I would have someone to share the experience with. By this time, I had several copies of the series on tape, since I managed to tape it almost every time it was re-aired on A&E. I loaned one to a coworker, another to a friend (I ALWAYS had a copy on me.), being careful to keep one for myself at all times. Some people at work picked up the habit pretty quickly. One of my coworkers didn't return my tape for several weeks. Then things began to get a little strange. The people who had seen the tapes started to form into a bizarre little clique at work. We talked a different language, laughed at inside jokes. Someone even got the idea of trying to cast P&P from among the personalities in our office. I swear, it wasn't my idea, even if I did take the ball and run with it. We had a Lady Catherine de Bourgh and a Mr. Collins, if you can believe that. In fact, we were able to cast everyone except Mary King and Mr. Darcy's housekeeper. (Yes, it got that detailed.) Naturally, the people who didn't see the series or hadn't read the book were a little suspicious of the roles they were assigned. But we didn't care. Then someone said we should all come to work one Sunday (I work weekends, too.) dressed up as our P&P character, though Heaven only knows where we would have gotten Regency costumes. It was a great idea though, and who knows where it would all have ended had not.... Well, that's just it. I don't know what happened. After a few weeks of frenzy, most of my coworkers were able to kick their P&P2 habit. But not me, I was left back where I started, indulging my secret habit in the shadows. So that's why I'm here. I need help!
-Arnessa.
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Posted by Cheryl on September 26, 1996 at 01:58:02:
: : Seeking to be the real non-deluded Lizzy in all my dealings.
: : Amy
:
: I am sure that, despite your earnest desire, you take particular
: delight in professing opinions which are not your own. But never
: fear, you do not frighten me.
: You are most fortunate to be blessed with merely trying to make
: sense of one individual. I am left to choose whether -- upon
: entering a room -- it would not be more befitting my addiction
: to immediately progress to a window, making sure I stood staring
: outside with the utter preoccupation of a brooding, insular being,
: or rather instead sit and stare at my acquaintances with an earnest,
: honest, and open countenance.
: Indeed, I am rather developing a severe sort of discomfort inside me
: as to which mode of deport to emulate. Should I, on the one hand, endeavor
: to think ill of every one I meet, or should I instead eagerly desire
: to think well of every body? Earnest openness or mysterious insolence?
: I hear so many conflicting opinions on the subject as to not know what
: to think.
: &tc, &tc,
: Raphael
Impertinence! Is this to be endured? It shall not!
Cheryl
Posted by Arnessa on September 26, 1996 at 02:01:52:
: < but I'm inclined to think its mostly accute shyness (because he hadn't taken the trouble
: : to practise!)>
:
: Do ya'll think Darcy was REALLY a shy person? I thought he was just copping out with a lame excuse for his snobby behavior. We don't get to see him in a variety of situations, so it is difficult to discern between shyness/extreme snobbiness. His strong personality and presence do not support the shyness route for me. Remember Col Fitzwilliam tells Lizzie how Darcy is "lively enough in other places, but gets very quiet when they come to Kent?" Maybe his aversion to his all knowing aunt and the horrible thought of his impending marriage the the beaten down Anne is the cause for this. When I think of shyness, I do not think of a man who behaves in such a forward manner in general ...
I agree totally. Darcy's not shy. But I think the confusion results from the way Colin Firth plays him. Believe me, I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with Colin Firth's acting. But I think he did give us a different Darcy from the one in the book. It's a marvelous example of how an actor can put his own stamp on a character and make it work. In the book, we see Darcy asking Lizzy one night at Netherfield, whether she doesn't have a "great inclination to dance a reel" while Miss Bingley is playing. And also the comment about admiring their figures from his present position does not seem to me the action of a shy guy.
Darcy is reserved and perhaps insecure. He does not like people to know about his thoughts, feelings or personal business. But Darcy is not shy. He is not afraid of social interaction; he just doesn't enjoy it. But Firth plays Darcy shy. And a friend of mine says this is the real reason behind the whole Darcy craze. She thinks that if Firth had played Darcy as he's written in the book, we wouldn't like him half as much.
-Arnessa
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Posted by Lisa on September 26, 1996 at 02:36:13:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-Lisa
: 2) Occupation-Student
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-a month ago on video
: 4) How did you find out about it?advertised on TV
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?loved the book, it had good reviews in UK
: 6) Have you read the original novel?of course
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?before
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)Mr Bennett because he was funny
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence where everyone tells Bingley why he can't marry Jane
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-the proposal
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-S&S
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-20 yr old student from NZ
Posted by Cheryl on September 26, 1996 at 02:41:09:
I must confess that this BB is quickly becoming an addiction unto itself! There are several web sites that I visit every time I am on line and this has become my first stop. When I am through reading the new postings, I hit the reload button to see if anyone has posted since I logged on. I even made Amy's top ten posters list during my first week here. Yes, I am most grieviously to be pitied, however I cannot feel regret nor begrudge the time spent here, for you alone understand my obsession and rather than conceal it or become the contempt of the world, I am allowed, nay encouraged, to revel in it. Please accept my good wishes for your continued health and happiness.
Cheryl
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Posted by Lilian on September 26, 1996 at 03:29:31:
: : : The moment I laid eyes on Colin Firth in P&P I knew that i would never be the same. Colin portrays such an excellent Darcy that I have virtually become addicited to the 6-hour miniseries!! If anyone is just as obsessed as me, email me and we'll talk!! Don't be scared, there are a lot of us Darcy-lovers out there!!
: : : Oh- by the way - I am new to your forum!
: : : You also know that there are better Merchant ivory films than Room with a View!!!
: : : -Maureen
: : You think you're addicted? I too was never the same after I had to study
: : the novel for Year 11 English. (And I wasn't keen about it at the start
: : although after watching the 1985 BBC adaption my view thus changed).
: : I think Firth makes an excellent Darcy and I absolutely adore the 1995
: : adaption soooo much that I have watched the whole series twice in the
: : last few weeks (and I keep on rewinding the Darcy bits :) ).
: : So much for studying! Ahhhh.....
: Lilian
: At the beginning I didn't think I would like Colin Firth as
: Darcy. I was wrong. I would love to visit his beaufitul
: estate at Pemberley anytime. I became a P& P addict in
: high school when I first read the book. By the way have you
: seen the b&w P&P version with Laurence Olivier? I have P&P
: on tape and I have watched it so many time I can't count. My
: niece loves the part when he gets out of the lake with his
: clingy white shirt. Me and my mother try to count all
: the times he smiles during the course of the movie.
: Jocelyn
Why didn't you think you would like Colin Firth as Darcy?
Since I did not know Colin's previous work, I didn't even know who
he was and loved him even better than David Rintoul who plays
Darcy in the 1985 BBC version.
I'm not too sure whether I like the P&P version with Olivier.
I think the 1995 version is definately the best.
Lilian
Posted by Lilian on September 26, 1996 at 03:36:55:
Is the Olivier version of P&P good? Does anyone like it as much
as the 1995 version? I saw only a bit of the Olivier version but
it didn't quite appeal to me. Does this mean that I am not a true
P&P fan??? Anyone out there that may support me?
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Posted by Katherine on September 26, 1996 at 06:55:12:
:
: One more, then I really have to get away from this.
: Ever find yourself wishing your home had a name? So that you could say things like, "Then we shall return to Grandinglington," instead of "Then, we'll go home."
: Amy
True, true.
Katherine
Posted by Amy on September 26, 1996 at 06:59:08:
>>>>I must beg you to tell me how you were able to produce an audible copy.
K,
My stereo stuff is hooked up to the VCR instead of the TV. I did this so I could hear movie music more magnificently. Odd set up in my house. My kids have the master bedroom as a playroom, along with the biggest TV. I am joyfully confined to the basement (aka Mom's World) with my bed, piano, computer and nothing but a 10-inch TV but wonderful booming sound.
Anyway, since the VCR inputs the amp, I can use the stereo's cassette recorder to copy sound from video tapes!
Amy
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Posted by Brigid on September 26, 1996 at 09:01:12:
: : After months of searching and waiting, my copy of Making of Pride and Prejudice arrived from Jane Austen Books. At first I doubted how much could be in such a slim and slight (appearing) book, now I know not to trust my first impression ;)
: : I was astonished and pleased beyond words by how much information was packed in the book. Not to mention the tons of color photos B&W was only used for the personal publicity stills of the actors as they look out of character (a very interesting thing to see!!) My excitement and fufillment is just about on the level of when I first discovered P&P2. And for me it makes the production come alive once again. This is exactly the kind of book I have longed for for many other past interests. It has quite met my expectations.
: : I heartily concur with any past reccomendations by other posters here. By this book!!!! Ordering info is located at the FAQ at the top of this Discussion Site page. I am ready to order several more copies for my fellow aquaintances who are fans.
: I want to add a second to that. I received my copy yesterday after having heard about the book on this bulletin board.
: I had a friend in Canada pick it up for me as I couldn't find a copy locally. Even if the book wasn't as good and informative as it is,
: it would have been worth the price to get the picture on page 98 of Darcy watching Lizzy play the piano. All of my friends agree with
: me that we would give anything to have someone look at us with the look of love that Darcy gives in that scene.
I think the book is wonderful too and I am glad that you mentioned the picture on Page 98. That is from my favorite scene. I thought that the book was very informative and well worth the cost. I was reallly happy to learn about it through the postings here. Thanks.
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Posted by eva on September 26, 1996 at 09:42:11:
English translation as sung by Lizzy in the beloved Pemberley scene:
You who have tasted love's mystic spell
What is this sorrow naught can dispel? (repeat 2x)
Fair dame or maiden, none else may know
My heart o'erladen, why is this so?
What is this yearning, these trembling fears
Rapturous burning, melting in tears?
While thus I languish, wild beats my heart,
Yet from my anguish I would not part,
I seek a treasure Fate still denies,
Naught else will pleasure,
Naught else I prize...I'm ever sighing,
I know not why, near unto dying, when none are by,
My hear is riven night, morn and eve,
But ah 'tis heaven, thus, thus to grieve!
You who have tasted love's mystic spell
What is this sorrow naught can dispel? (repeat 2x)
Ann R. discloses:
: : : 9) Favorite scene/sequence I actually whispered to myself "Oh thank you, yes!" when I first watched the Pemberly music night
: : Darcy's face and the Mozart aria"Voi che sapete"( meaning Oh you who obey tender desires, tell me what is love?" In the opera
: : sung by a young boy who has no experience but who's whole being is in a turmoil in the presence of to women who tease him and
: : plays with him.Congenius! And when Darcy lingers to watch the carriage disappear with Lizzie into the night... and again the
: : music and his eyes in the dark music room. Exquisite!
: after my first couple viewings of P&P2, i was channel-surfing and perchance paused on this PBS special where opera stars were performing famous arias... needless to say, someone warbled 'voi che sapete' and a lightbulb went off in me, like it was fate. anyways, i went to my friend, the public library, and checked out 'Figaro' CDs to learn the song (even though it was sung in italian!)...then i had to check out the video of the opera to learn the context of the song... and then lastly (and perhaps pathetically? ;-> ), i found the corresponding English translation which Lizzy performs at Pemberley in the miniseries... sorry i had to unload. if anyone would like, i can dig out the English lyrics and post them...
: -eva
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