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Posted by Tommye on September 25, 1996 at 15:27:53:
:
: After I purged all the threads about the next virtual view, Ann, your
: posts number more than my own -- 43 vs 40 in the last 6 days.
: FYI those making at least 6 posts during those 6 days number
: 9 of the 66 different posters:
:
: Ann1 43
: Amy 40
: Joan, too 28
: Tommeye 18
: Donna 10
: Marie 9
: Cheryl 7
Yes. I'm addicted. But, like AA, this place is good to "get it all out" and finally get to TALK about it (instead of concealing it).
Tommye
P. S. I take note of the fact that in order even to mention this, you had to come in...
: Marsha 6
: hat 6
:
Posted by Amy on September 25, 1996 at 15:33:21:
: I hear so many conflicting opinions on the subject as to not know what
Oh oh..
Posted by Marsha on September 25, 1996 at 15:33:56:
: Ann2 added:
: : You mix your everyday speech, especially when one of your nearest fellow addicts is present,
: : with quotations like "I´m all astonishment". or "You know exactly what to think".
:
: I do this with friends who know of my "problem." I do stop myself from blurting out these phrases in the grocery store or in places where it would not be understood -- usually. The other day I was feeling silly and slipped. The check at the market was being rough on a long loaf of Frnech bread and broke it nearly in two. I said, "It is of little matter, for I might have rendered it so myself on my return home." It just fell out without planning. Checker and bagger alike stared at me, then glanced at each other, eyes wide and eyebrow up. Feeling I had to explain, I said, "I guess I've been watching too much British TV." Then they laughed and seemd to understand.
: Amy
This is what happens to me all the time, too. My roommates are beginning to wonder why "I talk like that" & "repeat what you said"
Marsha
:
: When my
: : vacation was about to start this july I found a note from another addict on my desk and it ended
: : "Don´t get too brown and coarse this summer!".
: : Whenever the building of Rosings is sightable your eyes seek out the windows to Darcy´s room, it`s
: : on the right wing(if someone out there is not so deep in it as I am.
: : I also have been very close to making plans of the rooms, in particular at Lucas Lodge where the Darcy
: : looks and moves are most significant. That first one is interesting, rather bold and perhaps the only
: : one where you get a hint of what he was like womanwise before getting bewitched.
: : Sorry, my thoughts carried me away. I had better stop, this is not even my lucheon hour, i am supposed to
: : do some work here.
: : Ann2
Posted by Amy on September 25, 1996 at 15:42:05:
HC demanded that I:
>>Look at this one for a more fully buttoned-up and frontal view.
Much better. More than tolerable. I don't hate the Brock drawings. In fact there's a nice way in them of being vauge enough to not destroy a previous impression. (Except that assembly room thing -- I do hate that, though... now I think of it I am supposed to think ill of Darcy at that point, just as Lizzy does, so maybe the thing does its work?)
Now that Firth has played Darcy, though, it's my opinion that Darcy can never be thought of in quite the same way ever again. Kind of like Rhett Butler must look like Clark Gable -- there is no other possible way to picture him, hence the impossibility of a remake.
Amy
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Posted by Tommye on September 25, 1996 at 15:44:25:
:
: :.
: I figured I would get some strong disagreement. Perhaps
: there is a difference between men's and women's pornography.
: Men want explicit sex; women want something more like P&P.
: The term "Romance" certainly does fit better.
: Ann
I'm a very literal person and using the term, "pornography," which means "obscene; depiction of erotic behavior intended to cause sexual excitement...etc."
I just don't think that is what has gone on with many of us, here. It's not just Darcy, it's not just Lizzy. It's the manners (erotic, pornographic?), the atmosphere, the carefully chosen words, the hidden feelings, the betrayals, the scenery... It's just such an injustice to call such marvelous work a pornographic thing just because women love it. It does a disservice to the viewer as well as those who have yet to view it..
How lightly these very strong words are used, how subtly they change our thought processes.. I'm sorry if I've overreacted to something you heard. What that commentator said is just so typical of today. I wish I could analyze it and articulate it more effectively. But, Jane Austen I'm not!
Tommye
Posted by The Mysterious H.C. on September 25, 1996 at 15:49:21:
At the further end of the village, and tolerably disengaged from the rest of it, stood the parsonage, a new-built substantial stone house, with its semicircular sweep and green gates; and, as they drove up to the door, Henry, with the friends of his solitude, a large Newfoundland puppy and two or three terriers, was ready to receive and make much of them.A saunter into other meadows, and through part of the village, with a visit to the stables to examine some improvements, and a charming game of play with a litter of puppies just able to roll about, brought them to four o'clock, when Catherine scarcely thought it could be three.
At four they were to dine, and at six to set off on their return.
Never had any day passed so quickly!
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Posted by Tommye on September 25, 1996 at 15:57:20:
: Ann2 added:
: : You mix your everyday speech, especially when one of your nearest fellow addicts is present,
: : with quotations like "I´m all astonishment". or "You know exactly what to think".
:
: I do this with friends who know of my "problem." I do stop myself from blurting out these phrases in the grocery store or in places where it would not be understood -- usually. The other day I was feeling silly and slipped. The check at the market was being rough on a long loaf of Frnech bread and broke it nearly in two. I said, "It is of little matter, for I might have rendered it so myself on my return home." It just fell out without planning. Checker and bagger alike stared at me, then glanced at each other, eyes wide and eyebrow up. Feeling I had to explain, I said, "I guess I've been watching too much British TV." Then they laughed and seemd to understand.
: Amy
:
: When my
: : vacation was about to start this july I found a note from another addict on my desk and it ended
: : "Don´t get too brown and coarse this summer!".
: : Whenever the building of Rosings is sightable your eyes seek out the windows to Darcy´s room, it`s
: : on the right wing(if someone out there is not so deep in it as I am.
: : I also have been very close to making plans of the rooms, in particular at Lucas Lodge where the Darcy
: : looks and moves are most significant. That first one is interesting, rather bold and perhaps the only
: : one where you get a hint of what he was like womanwise before getting bewitched.
: : Sorry, my thoughts carried me away. I had better stop, this is not even my lucheon hour, i am supposed to
: : do some work here.
: : Ann2
I think this is wonderful. I'm got to listen more effectively to the conversations. Having been in South Carolina for 2 and 1/2 years, and around many people who do not even know what the term, "Grammar," means (NOT a Southern putdown, since I am a Georgia Peach), I have certainly been correcting my own grammar more frequently prior to speaking since my first viewing of P&P. It will be a great day when I come out with such wonderful language. I can say that I frequently say, "To be sure...", "Daresay...", "Upon my word!" and the like.
Tommye
Posted by Amy on September 25, 1996 at 16:13:31:
Great find, Henry.
See? (Though here I know I am preaching to the choir.) Davies did know his material. Not much of anything in this adaptation that does not either quote, give a nod to, or at least honor Austen.
But I still wonder about that Ah-mmmm! noise emitted by the youngest daughters at the Netherfield breakfast table, as Arnessa pointed out. Was that an invention? And if not, how could such a thing as a noise be accurately passed down for 200 years? Like a song, I suppose, or the Mishnah, or the Rebel Yell?
Amy
Posted by eva on September 25, 1996 at 17:51:56:
: Ann2 added:
: : You mix your everyday speech, especially when one of your nearest fellow addicts is present,
: : with quotations like "I'm all astonishment". or "You know exactly what to think".
:
: I do this with friends who know of my "problem." I do stop myself from blurting out these phrases in the grocery store or in places where it would not be understood -- usually. The other day I was feeling silly and slipped. The check at the market was being rough on a long loaf of Frnech bread and broke it nearly in two. I said, "It is of little matter, for I might have rendered it so myself on my return home." It just fell out without planning. Checker and bagger alike stared at me, then glanced at each other, eyes wide and eyebrow up. Feeling I had to explain, I said, "I guess I've been watching too much British TV." Then they laughed and seemd to understand.
: Amy
:
if i had ever doubted i was with like kin..... after unleashing P&P2 upon my beloved family members (a large family mind you and thus giving me an excuse to re-view again and again!), we began writing e-mail in atrocious 'Austenese' and took up a character (i sign my mail 'c.b.' for haughty miss 'duck-face' ;-> ). my brothers refer to themselves as 'fitzjoe', 'fitzdan', and 'fitzpeter'! and for a while, nothing that came out of our mouths was an original thought or sentence, all quotes from the series... the same thing happened when my family finished watching 'the Godfather' together....
Posted by eva on September 25, 1996 at 18:05:08:
: : Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: : Amy
: : - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: : 1) Name-Ann Rydberg
: : 2) Occupation-librarian
: : 3) When you first saw P&P2-dec/95-jan/96
: : 4) How did you find out about it?A friend spoke about it.I
: planned to watch it in a relaxed way...
: : 5) What interested you in seeing it?I had vague memories from
: what I now understand must be P&P1, and I knew from the novel that
: Darcy was something extra.
: : 6) Have you read the original novel?3 times from beginning to end
: and several times bits and pieces after video sessions.
: : 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?Both
: : 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)I admire the casting very much
: so it is hard to pick just one or two...well Mr Collins speaking of his preparing compliments, boastingabout the windows
: chimneys of Rosings, demonstrating the wardrobe shelves and crawling at lady Cathrines feet. Mr Bennet "no lace Mrs Bennet
: I implore you..." or "I am afraid we can't avoid his company now" from behind his paper.
: : 9) Favorite scene/sequence I actually whispered to myself "Oh thank you, yes!" when I first watched the Pemberly music night
: Darcy's face and the Mozart aria"Voi che sapete"( meaning Oh you who obey tender desires, tell me what is love?" In the opera
: sung by a young boy who has no experience but who's whole being is in a turmoil in the presence of to women who tease him and
: plays with him.Congenius! And when Darcy lingers to watch the carriage disappear with Lizzie into the night... and again the
: music and his eyes in the dark music room. Exquisite!
after my first couple viewings of P&P2, i was channel-surfing and perchance paused on this PBS special where opera stars were performing famous arias... needless to say, someone warbled 'voi che sapete' and a lightbulb went off in me, like it was fate. anyways, i went to my friend, the public library, and checked out 'Figaro' CDs to learn the song (even though it was sung in italian!)...then i had to check out the video of the opera to learn the context of the song... and then lastly (and perhaps pathetically? ;-> ), i found the corresponding English translation which Lizzy performs at Pemberley in the miniseries... sorry i had to unload. if anyone would like, i can dig out the English lyrics and post them...
-eva
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Posted by Sandra McClarty on September 25, 1996 at 18:18:52:
I was wondering if anyone might have made a screen saver from some of the delicious images of Pride and Prejudice2. I am such a novice with the computer I don't yet know how to make my own. If someone can tell me how to do it, I would be appreciative. Or if anyone knows of where I could purchase one, I would also be happy. Also, I was wondering how I might check for an answer to this message. Sorry I'm so inept with all these newfangled electronic wonders like discussion groups and e-mail. Sandra McClarty
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Posted by Marie on September 25, 1996 at 19:31:44:
Today I was amused to have it underscored for me how little the rest of the world shares in this great affection for Jane Austen in general, and the A&E adaptation in particular. At work we (well, I) have the 8 x 5 " photo of Colin Firth from the September Tatler hanging near the door of the office. A graduate student--an English graduate student who has recently spent a good deal of time in London, no less--asked who it was. I responded that it was Darcy, and was met with a blank expression. I was all amazement, hardly able to comprehend that anyone, let alone an English doctoral student, might not recognize him. When questioned, she admitted that she'd read Pride and Prejudice, but she did not admit it with any great feeling, certainly not with the kind of pleasure that other admirers of Jane Austen usually display when responding to the question, and she did not appear to have any recollection that there was a recent, new production of the book. It was quite an educational experience.
On a different train of thought, has anyone else wondered why the new P&P left out a couple of lines? In the scene at Netherfield where Caroline Bingley asks Darcy to join her and Eliza Bennet in their walk around the room, Darcy's answer contains only half of the alternatives offered in the novel. Austen writes that Darcy declines, "observing that he could imagine but two motives for their choosing to walk up and down the room together, with either of which motives his joining them would interfere." When Caroline insists upon
knowing his meaning, he says, "You either choose this method of passing the evening because you are in each other's confidence, and have secret affairs to discuss, or because you are conscious that your figures appear to the greatest advantage in walking; if the first, I should be completely in your way, and if the second, I can admire you much better as I sit by the fire." His response without both alternatives seemed less witty, and verging on the lecherous (I overstate the case to make the point). Did anyone else notice? Did anyone else care?
One other favorite exchange that would have been so easy to include, but which was also left out, was the following, from the scene in which Eliza confides to Jane her engagement to Darcy. She is affectionate and joking, and when Jane asks if she is sure she loves Darcy, she says:
"Oh, yes! You will only think I feel *more* than I ought to do, when I tell you all."
"What do you mean?"
"Why, I must confess that I love him better than I do Bingley. I am afraid you will be angry."
Why didn't they ask a longtime reader of P&P to go over the script for final approval before filming? (Or does no one else like this exchange as much as I?)
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Posted by Kathy on September 25, 1996 at 20:13:45:
: : : I learned only today that the Firthlisters have been trashing us, or me or this board or something. I don't read the digests everyday and missed the damning posts. Anna-Karin or Laura, pray write and tell the nature of this slander for I am quite astonished to hear of it.
: : : Are we too uneducated in Firthlore? Too prissy? I don't understand. I have always enjoyed reading the posts there and have delighted in the difference from this place in style, tone, character. Hurts my feelings a little. Please tell so I won't imagine worse.
: : : Amy
: : :
: : Really? but why? Too bad if it is true.
: : I read them from time to time and enjoy it too.
: : I thought we were all on the same boat, that is, addict to P&P, and adore Firth.
: : However, I think we may be a bit open minded, we are allowed to adore others, such as Hinds, Rupert, Sewell...:)
: What is this?
: Would anyone be so kind as to give me the adress to the firthlist? Is it a group like this ore is it
: some e-mail subscription?
: I have read alot of Firth facts, Faqs, fantasies and so forth but have I missed their way of exchanging opinions?
: Ann2
Me too. I have been trying to find this site but no luck.
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Posted by Amy on September 25, 1996 at 20:30:44:
Kathy, email me if you would like the information on how to subscribe to the Firthlist. The web page is linked from the links page here.
Posted by hat on September 25, 1996 at 20:43:32:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-
Hilary
: 2) Occupation-
Various: relief (substitute) primary teacher, puppet
and theatre props maker, and mother
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-
Earlier this year. It has now screened twice in Aust.
on the ABC.
: 4) How did you find out about it?
Ads on tele.
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?
I had read Emma, NA, and Persuasion before, and all the
recent JA films were around.
: 6) Have you read the original novel?
Yes, several times now.
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?
Between the 1st and second episodes, and numerous times
since.
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)
Mr. Bennet, the odious Mr. Collins (though I can't re-
watch him much), the Gardiners.
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence
As someone else said, a toughie! The whole Pemberly
and Lambton sequence. I also particularly like the other
piano scene, the 2nd proposal, and the arrival of Lizzie
on foot at Netherfield and the "tease him" sequence.
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-
Netherfield supper, and others with Mrs Bennet. Lydia
and Wickham being smarmy.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-
Persausion (my favourite by far over S&S)
Sense and Sensibility
Northanger Abbey
P&P (Olivier's, and Fay Weldon's) I found them almost
impossible to watch, because they didn't measure up in
any way to P&P2.
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-
I live in Canberra, Aust; I'm married; 3 kids - boys of
14 & 7, and a girl of 10; my husband has enjoyed all the
JA this year, but is not one to re-view them. The kids
enjoyed P&P, but remain bemused by my continuing interest.
Posted by hat on September 25, 1996 at 20:52:12:
:
: After I purged all the threads about the next virtual view, Ann, your
: posts number more than my own -- 43 vs 40 in the last 6 days.
: FYI those making at least 6 posts during those 6 days number
: 9 of the 66 different posters:
:
: Ann1 43
: Amy 40
: Joan, too 28
: Tommeye 18
: Donna 10
: Marie 9
: Cheryl 7
: Marsha 6
: hat 6
:
UH-OH! gulp! shock horror...Oh no..someone's counting! Just as
well I'm out of town for 2 weeks, it'll keep my average down
a bit....!
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Posted by Amy on September 25, 1996 at 21:15:34:
I will not make this report available again. Feels worse than counting calories.
Please check back in when you come back, hat. Have fun.
Amy
Posted by Joan, too on September 25, 1996 at 21:17:13:
: Marie asks:
: "Why, I must confess that I love him better than I do Bingley. I am afraid you will be angry."
approval before filming? (Or does no one else like this exchange as much as I?)
Actually, I believe that the screenwriter considers *himself* a long time reader of P&P. <grin> (Check out his comments on the A&E P&P page.) He did, though, and it to shortening some of the longer "speeches" in the dialog in the book - there are many other instances. Speeches in a dramatization that get too long tend to start sounding like monologues instead of dialogue, and slow down the pace of the action. (He also left out the line that my mother likes best - one of Mr. Bennet's.)
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on September 25, 1996 at 21:20:28:
: He did, though, and it to shortening some of the longer "speeches"
OOPs - just noticed the typo - that should read "He did, though, ADMIT to shortening some of the longer "speeches"
J.
Posted by Joan, too on September 25, 1996 at 21:25:56:
: Kathy.:
: I feel so stupid. I always thought it was a rooster, to show that he had been up all night wrestling with his emotions. I do not have a book or video to varify that this much time passed before the letter is delivered.
Actually, that's probably the right conclusion, just a different bird - as was mentioned somewhere else, the peacock is not nocturnal, but that sound is heard as the new day is breaking, so Lady C. just had a high-falutin' type of rooster. ;-)
Joan, too
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