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Posted by Lisa J on September 24, 1996 at 10:08:48:
: Yes, my husband bought it for me, thinking he had purchased P&P2. Initially, I was horrified at the wooden Mr. Darcy, and have, on hindsight, kept that view. The script is true to the story, though shorter, in many ways, all of them varying from P&P2. The final, wonderful scene between Darcy and Lizzy is truer to the book and more rewarding. (She really milks it: "Tell me, when was it you first knew you loved me?" Paraphrased.) I derived a greater sense of pleasure from this particular scene. (Frankly, the scene as written in the book is the most rewarding of all.) P&P1 shows very little about the "Lydia" episode, to my delight. I felt this episode and its aftermath laborious on P:&P2. Lady Catherine was much more credible and developed in P&P1, and, as a result, her confrontation with Lizzy, for her part, most scathing. (The woman who played Lizzy underacted that particular scene, I felt. It was as though it didn't bother her at all. At least Lizzy trembled and was visibly shaken in P&P2).
: While it's been six weeks at least since I last viewed P&P1, and I have had several doses to P&P2 to alleviate my woes, I would still recommend that you view P&P1. On the one hand, you will hate the actors; on the other, you will like some better. There is less character development (and time, period) in P&P1, to be sure; but the story remains the same and is, thus, quite rewarding. Mr. Darcy does liven up a bit, but just cannot compare with Colin Firth. Happy viewing!
I agree, David Rintoul is a very stiff actor. I saw him on stage this summer in The Ideal Husband and he was not much more expressive.
Those of you who are interested in seeing this production may want to locate the newly "digitalized"(?) version which is available in the U.K. The coloring has been somewhat restored and it also contains an additional 30 minutes of scenes left out of the U.S. version.
P.S. I have been a silent visitor to this site for weeks and have enjoyed reading everyone's comments.
Posted by Lori T on September 24, 1996 at 10:22:36:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-
: 2) Occupation-
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-
: 4) How did you find out about it?
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?
: 6) Have you read the original novel?
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-
My name is Lori Townsend and I am an accountant for a
computer company. I first saw P&P2 when it was originally
broadcast on A&E. I had seen a commerical on A&E and since
I had always wanted to read the book - I decided to watch.
I read the book (a couple of times) after seeing the movie.
My favorite character without question (after Eliza and Darcy)
would have to be Mr. Bennett although my husband thinks Mr.
Collins is a hoot! I hate to watch the scene with Lydia and
in the room with Wickham (That doesn't look right ) because
she doesn't realize how scandalous for that time what she has
done is. I saw Sense and Sensibility and Emma. I have read
both as well as Mansfield Park and I am reading Persuasion
now.
Posted by Donna on September 24, 1996 at 10:55:11:
: I thought some wrote that they wanted to buy Persuasion.
: I bought it for $20.99. I know it is for rent but it isn't
: for sale yet.
Here's the deal this company I called the place. They are at the
mall Friday through Sunday. When I called he didn't know how
many tapes were left, I plan on going up there to see, If someone
really wants a copy let me know as soon as possible. I hoping
there are some left. It is the version {that will be on PBS}
{with the stupid cover} with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds.
Donna,
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Posted by Amy on September 24, 1996 at 10:55:50:
Wow, look at all these new people. Are we listed in a new search engine or directory or something? AltaVista shows no links whatsoever (though I know we are linked from Yahoo and the Internet Movie Database). Anybody who found this place in the past two weeks or so, would you mind emailing me directly to tell me how you got here?
Just click on my name above if your browser lets you do mailto: links. If not, it's:
amyloo@bluemarble.net
Thanks, just curious.
Amy
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Posted by Donna on September 24, 1996 at 11:07:50:
: : I thought some wrote that they wanted to buy Persuasion.
: : I bought it for $20.99. I know it is for rent but it isn't
: : for sale yet.
:
: Here's the deal this company I called the place. They are at the
: mall Friday through Sunday. When I called he didn't know how
: many tapes were left, I plan on going up there to see, If someone
: really wants a copy let me know as soon as possible. I hoping
: there are some left. It is the version {that will be on PBS}
: {with the stupid cover} with Amanda Root and Ciaran Hinds.
:
: Donna,
Posted by Kathy on September 24, 1996 at 12:14:11:
:
: A while ago--I think on CNN--there was a discussion on why Austen
: was so popular again. One commentator suggested that she wrote
: something akin to women's pornography. (I believe she meant in
: the erotic and not in the exploitative sense of the word).
: Especially after the additions by Davies of the bathtub, fencing,
: and swimming/wet shirt scenes I think I agree.
: Any thoughts?
: Ann
I think it is the lack of pornography that makes Jane Austen so popular. Personally I am tired of seeing people intimate. Its much more exciting to see people crazy about eachother but showing restraint or doing the right thing. (Webster's pornography: obscene, offensive, indecent) None of that here though I was hoping for a kiss after the second proposal. I think the scenes with Darcy wet etc. only show us a bit of his regular guy self and help us to see beyond what his detractors and Lizzy have seen; thus helping us to like him more. These scenes were not in P&P1 and that Darcy is not too likable till the end. (It does help that he looks so good in a wet shirt.)
Posted by Deann on September 24, 1996 at 12:40:16:
I also received your post on the Mod Brits bulletin board. I am not a Forster expert, but I am a very big fan of A Room with a View (book and film). I have read Howards End and seen the film also. I have also seen the film adaptations of A Passage to India and Where Angels Fear to Tread. I would be glad to help.
I am also a fan of the recent A & E/BBC adaptation of Pride and Prejudice. I haven't seen the recent Emma or Persuasion yet, but am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to see them. I am a student at Westminster College. May I join your discussion group?
Deann Davis
Westminster College
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Posted by Amy on September 24, 1996 at 12:45:38:
>>>May I join your discussion group?
Miss Davis,
You are very welcome here.
Miss Bluemarble
Posted by Raphael on September 24, 1996 at 13:09:30:
How about;
You quote the wisdoms of all the various characters (but
especially Lizzy and Mr. Bennett) when trying to convince
friends or family of the world's great truths (or just in
plain arguments).
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Amy on September 24, 1996 at 13:26:33:
Raphael contributed to the list:
>>>>: You quote the wisdoms of all the various characters (but
: especially Lizzy and Mr. Bennett) when trying to convince
: friends or family of the world's great truths (or just in
: plain arguments).
Ah, but you slip over the edge when you fall victim to quoting the beliefs she enjoys professing but are not her own, like:
A single man of large fortune must be in want of a wife.
Or when you share her delusions about people:
He feels deeply, I believe, yet despite all this, has a natural merriment and energy.
Seeking to be the real non-deluded Lizzy in all my dealings.
Amy
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Posted by Jane on September 24, 1996 at 14:00:06:
James, Which adaptation strikes you as closest to the spirit of Forster? This is a contentious matter with respect to Austen films, with some Austenophiles actually considering "Clueless" closest to the spirit. Also, do you think that any of the Forster novels could be a movie set in the present? ARWAV strikes me as a perfect modern romantic comedy--but I haven't read the book yet. Last comment: bits of the dialogue in the movies I have seen and the Forster I've read (HE & APTI) strikes me as a little artificial, used as a way of getting philosophical points of view across, but not really the way people talk. Does any of it strike you that way? I love it, anyway. Jane
Posted by Joan, too on September 24, 1996 at 14:12:25:
: Lori T.
: Also, does anyone know the length of Emma - will it be six hours
: (with commercials)? I hate it when they cut out some of the best
: parts for pruposes of time.
Well, of course they don't think they are cutting out the *best* parts, [grin] but they do manage to damage what the screenwriter has done.
For example, there is that scene where Lydia and Kitty are trying to tell the family about Mr. Bingley's arrival, and Kitty has her coughing attack which prompts a peeved Mrs. Bennet to tell her to consider her poor nerves and stop coughing.
This appears totally pointless until you see the entire scene, in which Mr. Bennet (after revealing that he has visited Mr. Bingley after all, and Mrs. Bennet's nerves make an instant recovery) leaves the room remarking that it's now safe for Kitty to cough as much as she chooses. The coughing was only a set-up for that exit line, and without the exit line, the coughing should not be there, either.
Joan, too
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