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Posted by Joan, too on September 23, 1996 at 22:17:57:
: Lilian:
: Just a little question here... Are you in America? In Australia the show is 55 minutes per episode and there are no commercial breaks. (it was shown on the ABC - kind of the Australian version of BBC-) Therefore, the scenes were in the correct order.
Are there different versions of P&P? Are some of them edited? I did not know this. How long is the original and uncut version?
Ah - another continent heard from. I think the majority here are fron the US and Canada - where we wre at the mercy of A&E's commercials. While we are grateful that A&E did bring us this series, they *did* cut out a number of scenes in order to mkae more room to sel commercials. In the UK and Australia (and I think other parts of Europe) the BBC (read complete) version of the series was broadcast. So *you* have the entire thing, while some of us have had to resort to purchasing the boxed set in order to see what we missed.
Are there different versions of P&P? Are some of them edited? I did not know this. How long is the original and uncut version?
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on September 23, 1996 at 22:22:48:
: Cheryl
: As you may know, my family is away so I am enjoying guilt-free viewing. When Darcy is writing his infamous letter to Lizzy and gets to the part where he writes "This Madam, is a true and accurate account of all my dealings with Mr. Wickham" there are what sounds like screams in the background. I have always been bothered by this and hope someone here can enlighten me as to what they may be. The only explanation I can come up with is that it could be a rooster (it seems to be about daybreak) but I have never heard a rooster make sounds like this. Any thoughts on this, or I the only one who hears it?
They are not roosters - I think they are some kind of night bird - screech owl, perhaps? Not sure what kind of avian species they have over there, but the whole sound track is alive with different kinds of birds.
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on September 23, 1996 at 23:05:56:
: Lilian:
I can't quite figure out when Lizzy actully fell in love with
Darcy.
Was it when she visited Pemberley and saw his riches (she said this
to Jane although I think she was joking) or was it after he
saved Lydia. I don't think it is the latter either because before
he did that, she already had strong feelings for him.
Sometimes I think her change of opinion in Darcy is a little
too sudden. Does anyone agree or am I wrong and have missed
a point somewhere?
I think, as she says to Jane, that "It's been coming on so gradually that I hardly know." In the book it actually begins as she reads and re-reads Darcy's letter and is forced to re-evaluate her opinion of him, and discovers things about her own character of which she is not particularly proud (but this is not well enough defined in the film).
And she begins to become conscious of it at Pemberly when she hears Mrs. Reynolds speak so well of him, having known him since he was 4, and she stands by the window and thinks "of all this I might have been mistress." Then she accidently encounters Darcy, and he is not only civil toward her (though she feels herself to be undeserving of it), but actually cordial, and by the time the Gardiner's coach drives off at the end of hour 4, she knows that she is interested.
In the evening in the music room, she is at the point of admitting it, but the next morning's news about Lydia's disgrace makes her certain that an alliance between them can no longer be possible - that *no* respectable man will want anything to do with the Bennet sisters.
Joan, too
Posted by hat on September 24, 1996 at 00:58:09:
: Hat:
: I would go for a virtual view of Month in the Country, and plan to see The English Patient and Nostromous. I hated the Advocate and liked Valmont, but not enough to see it mroe than once a decade. But the very best place to talk Colin work is the Firthlist.
: I will post something tonight or tomorrow about continuing to do the ARWAV-type digression.
: Amy
Amy, thanks for the info you sent me about this. I am going
for a virtual half month in the country next week (school
holidays) and will follow it up when I get back.
Posted by hat on September 24, 1996 at 01:19:16:
: : PH asked:: Please tell me what you thought of The Advocate. I couldn't
: : : get past the video cover. It looked a little too racy for
: : : me. Thanx
: : I was so disappointed. I found the sex gratuitous. Maybe that's what poeple did all the time in the middle ages. If you see the Virgin Spring or hte Name of the Rose, that's what you would be inclined to believe.
: : I like late middle age and renaissance stuff. I wish something good would come out.
: : Amy
: I loved the Advocate. I thought it was great how they showed the hypocricy of the legal system as well as the
: people sworn to uphold it - parallels todays system. The gratuitous sex was ok I mean he was living in a brothel
: at the time. I also liked the way the show the prejudices and supersticions of the
: people at the period. Great film - I think it his best outside of P&P and Another Country
: Natalie
I thought the Advocate was only an average movie. I probably
would not have bothered with getting past the cover either,
but I actually sought it out because I wanted to see how CF
handled a role other than Darcy.
I don't think its particularly racy - not as much as the
publicity suggests, and yes the sex is mostly gratuitous. Of
the three so-called sex scenes the first is crass, the second
a non-event, the third a bit of both, though it has some
tenderness.
There is quite a lot of nudity of a grimey medieval peasant
nature!
I was interested to find out that in those times animals were
regarded as culpable, and that it was based on an historical
person. The intregues that he encounters and tries to sort
his way through were not very clearly put.
I did like the fact that CF plays an idealistic role.
Cheers.
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Posted by Ann2 on September 24, 1996 at 01:47:18:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-Ann Rydberg
: 2) Occupation-librarian
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-dec/95-jan/96
: 4) How did you find out about it?A friend spoke about it.I
planned to watch it in a relaxed way...
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?I had vague memories from
what I now understand must be P&P1, and I knew from the novel that
Darcy was something extra.
: 6) Have you read the original novel?3 times from beginning to end
and several times bits and pieces after video sessions.
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?Both
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)I admire the casting very much
so it is hard to pick just one or two...well Mr Collins speaking of his preparing compliments, boastingabout the windows
chimneys of Rosings, demonstrating the wardrobe shelves and crawling at lady Cathrines feet. Mr Bennet "no lace Mrs Bennet
I implore you..." or "I am afraid we can´t avoid his company now" from behind his paper.
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence I actually whispered to myself "Oh thank you, yes!" when I first watched the Pemberly music night
Darcy´s face and the Mozart aria"Voi che sapete"( meaning Oh you who obey tender desires, tell me what is love?" In the opera
sung by a young boy who has no experience but who´s whole being is in a turmoil in the presence of to women who tease him and
plays with him.Congenius! And when Darcy lingers to watch the carriage disappear with Lizzie into the night... and again the
music and his eyes in the dark music room. Exquisite!
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-That would be Mrs Bennet
loudly commenting on mr Collins fancy for Lizzie,... but Bingley was there before him... and throwing the girls in the way of other
rich men..(poor Lizzie and Jane)
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-P&P1 (long ago), S&S film -96 and BBC video, Persuasion(film and video), Emma and Northanger Abbey
(BBC videos). Have bought Mansfield Park but shall read the novel before I allow myself to watch it.
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)- Have red Sanditon which gave me some pleasure, some
of the juvenilia, the chapter that was replaced in Persuasion (well worth reading as it shows how Jane Austen tried to reach perfection.
I am interested in books, art, ballet and music. Gardening in an untidy sort of way. Married,daughter (23) and son (16).
Posted by Ann on September 24, 1996 at 02:29:05:
:
: : I have seen the notes about the movie but I have never heard of
: : it before. Can you fill me in? When was it made, who starred,
: : and how do I get it? Thanks!!!!
:
: I'll be happy to share a few thoughts with you, Lori.
: Persuasion is another of Jane Austen's books, which was made into a movie in 94 or 95. The movie is around two hours, so a lot of the background & character development as well as some plot aspects in the book are omitted. The players are the same, however. There are similarities in all of Austen's works, I've found, but they are similarities which I welcome. Persuasion centers around a rather plain, forlorn 27 (?) year old woman (Ann) who lives with her very shallow, arrogant, self-involved (and deceived) father and sister. Her heart is broken from an event eight years past (I won't give it away). True to form, Austen lets us dangle, worry and stress out over plot developments and lack of desired resolution. Ultimately, however, I found this story most rewarding. I truly liked Ann, the protagonist, almost as much as I liked Lizzie in P&P. This movie, though, is very different (in filming methods??) in atmosphere and music, particularly. The characters are not as attractive as in P&P2, and I personally hated the intrusive piano playing. (Mind you, I LOVE the piano, but this piano was irksome to me.) Finally, though, I must say that after 5 or more viewings, I LOVE this movie (it's just very different from P&P2). If one can avoid any attempts at comparing the two productions, one can be fully satisfied with Persuasion. Of all the Austen characters in all her books, Captain Wentworth seems to be the most intense and, thus, in matters of love, to me the most attractive. Well, obviously I could say more (and more, being quite verbal) but hopefully I have left you with some idea about Persuasion. Our Blockbuster Video keeps a whopping one copy of the movie on the shelf. But, you might have noticed there has been discussion about being able to purchase it now.
: Regards....Tommye
Persuasion (the movie) is a Masterpiece Theater co-production
and will be on TV (PBS) during this season. I don't know
exactly when.
Ann
Posted by Ann on September 24, 1996 at 02:38:24:
:
: : That's a great picture! Where does it come from?
: 
It's a B&W publicity shot from P&P. Original can be found on the Friends of Firth page. I embossed it and threw some type over it. Henry now has it as one of the illustrations for the P&P hypertext as a counterpoint to the Brock drawings. At the Assembly Rooms Darcy is shown with a pot belly. That was the Victorian ideal of an attractive guy? I don't get it.
: Amy
The embossing is really cool!!
Ann
Posted by Ann on September 24, 1996 at 02:45:28:
: : : PH asked:: Please tell me what you thought of The Advocate. I couldn't
: : : : get past the video cover. It looked a little too racy for
: : : : me. Thanx
: : : I was so disappointed. I found the sex gratuitous. Maybe that's what poeple did all the time in the middle ages. If you see the Virgin Spring or hte Name of the Rose, that's what you would be inclined to believe.
: : : I like late middle age and renaissance stuff. I wish something good would come out.
: : : Amy
: : I loved the Advocate. I thought it was great how they showed the hypocricy of the legal system as well as the
: : people sworn to uphold it - parallels todays system. The gratuitous sex was ok I mean he was living in a brothel
: : at the time. I also liked the way the show the prejudices and supersticions of the
: : people at the period. Great film - I think it his best outside of P&P and Another Country
: : Natalie
: I thought the Advocate was only an average movie. I probably
: would not have bothered with getting past the cover either,
: but I actually sought it out because I wanted to see how CF
: handled a role other than Darcy.
: I don't think its particularly racy - not as much as the
: publicity suggests, and yes the sex is mostly gratuitous. Of
: the three so-called sex scenes the first is crass, the second
: a non-event, the third a bit of both, though it has some
: tenderness.
: There is quite a lot of nudity of a grimey medieval peasant
: nature!
: I was interested to find out that in those times animals were
: regarded as culpable, and that it was based on an historical
: person. The intregues that he encounters and tries to sort
: his way through were not very clearly put.
: I did like the fact that CF plays an idealistic role.
: Cheers.
Thre may be more than one version of the Advocate. The sex
in the movie was toned down for American prudishness, so
if you are viewing a European version (Hour of the Pig) it
may be a bit racier.
Ann
Posted by Ann on September 24, 1996 at 03:02:30:
A while ago--I think on CNN--there was a discussion on why Austen
was so popular again. One commentator suggested that she wrote
something akin to women's pornography. (I believe she meant in
the erotic and not in the exploitative sense of the word).
Especially after the additions by Davies of the bathtub, fencing,
and swimming/wet shirt scenes I think I agree.
Any thoughts?
Ann
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Posted by Lilian on September 24, 1996 at 05:03:13:
:
: A while ago--I think on CNN--there was a discussion on why Austen
: was so popular again. One commentator suggested that she wrote
: something akin to women's pornography. (I believe she meant in
: the erotic and not in the exploitative sense of the word).
: Especially after the additions by Davies of the bathtub, fencing,
: and swimming/wet shirt scenes I think I agree.
: Any thoughts?
: Ann
Definately, although I personally I tended to enjoy Davies's
adaption a little better than the other versions, I think
that Jane Austen would have been horrified to have seen
Darcy wet and tossle-headed conversing with Lizzy at Pemberley!
I think that Lizzy is very much like the modern woman today (you know,
able to speak her mind, witty, outspoken, says what she thinks etc.)
that we relate to her now. I suppose that's why Jane Austen
is popular now..she's still so trendy in society. And of course,
she is sooo romantic..
Posted by Lilian on September 24, 1996 at 05:08:39:
It seems to me that there seems to be various version
lengths of P&P. Does anyone know how long the original
version is supposed to be? Does it differ from country
to country?
In Australia P&P was shown over 6 weeks for 55 minutes.
(no commercials) We also have the video which is a
two video pack lasting approximately 301 minutes.
Is there an extended version or is this the correct
time length?
Posted by Lori T on September 24, 1996 at 08:06:54:
: :
: : : I have seen the notes about the movie but I have never heard of
: : : it before. Can you fill me in? When was it made, who starred,
: : : and how do I get it? Thanks!!!!
: :
: : I'll be happy to share a few thoughts with you, Lori.
: : Persuasion is another of Jane Austen's books, which was made into a movie in 94 or 95. The movie is around two hours, so a lot of the background & character development as well as some plot aspects in the book are omitted. The players are the same, however. There are similarities in all of Austen's works, I've found, but they are similarities which I welcome. Persuasion centers around a rather plain, forlorn 27 (?) year old woman (Ann) who lives with her very shallow, arrogant, self-involved (and deceived) father and sister. Her heart is broken from an event eight years past (I won't give it away). True to form, Austen lets us dangle, worry and stress out over plot developments and lack of desired resolution. Ultimately, however, I found this story most rewarding. I truly liked Ann, the protagonist, almost as much as I liked Lizzie in P&P. This movie, though, is very different (in filming methods??) in atmosphere and music, particularly. The characters are not as attractive as in P&P2, and I personally hated the intrusive piano playing. (Mind you, I LOVE the piano, but this piano was irksome to me.) Finally, though, I must say that after 5 or more viewings, I LOVE this movie (it's just very different from P&P2). If one can avoid any attempts at comparing the two productions, one can be fully satisfied with Persuasion. Of all the Austen characters in all her books, Captain Wentworth seems to be the most intense and, thus, in matters of love, to me the most attractive. Well, obviously I could say more (and more, being quite verbal) but hopefully I have left you with some idea about Persuasion. Our Blockbuster Video keeps a whopping one copy of the movie on the shelf. But, you might have noticed there has been discussion about being able to purchase it now.
: : Regards....Tommye
: Persuasion (the movie) is a Masterpiece Theater co-production
: and will be on TV (PBS) during this season. I don't know
: exactly when.
: Ann
Thanks, If you hear anything about when please post it.
Posted by Amy on September 24, 1996 at 08:58:48:
And how does Lucy know she loves George? She herself says he rarely utters a word. Are we supposed to simply take it on faith that there is such a thing as animal attraction, or love at first sight, or soulmates who recognize each other on sight?
Amy
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Posted by Lisa J on September 24, 1996 at 09:01:21:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-Lisa
: 2) Occupation- attorney (may be chucking it soon to open a bookstore)
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-Jan96
: 4) How did you find out about it? Saw it at the local video store.
: 5) What interested you in seeing it? I have always loved P&P and have watched both the MGM version and the 1979 BBC version.
: 6) Have you read the original novel? many times
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? both
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)Mrs. Gardiner, although I also like Charlotte in this adaptation.
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence- L & D's meeting at Pemberley (especially his running off to get properly dressed) and D's walk through his gallery to the music room.
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)- Netherfield Ball dinner.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed- all 6 earlier BBC productions on video (Northanger Abbey was my favorite BBC adaptation until this year), Ang's S & S, Persuasion, Clueless (looking forward to seeing Emma when it comes to Asia)
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)- moved to Hong Kong with my husband two years ago, so grateful to KPS video chain which stocks BBC productions (I'm now starting on the House of Eliot miniseries).
Posted by Amy on September 24, 1996 at 09:07:22:
If anybody has anything further to say or ask about A Room With a View or any other Forster adaptation, please do. I recruited a Forster adaptation expert but I fear that since I moved the ARWAV discussion to the bottom of the main page, we have all forgotten about it. Or maybe we just want to dwell on and wallow in our primary obsession -- which is okay too.
Amy
Link:
Posted by Lori T on September 24, 1996 at 09:24:33:
Can anyone tell how to get a hold of a copy of Pemberly Shades?
My local stores don't have it and can't even order it. Can
anyone help?
I would also like to get a hold of Mansfield Revisited as well as
a copy of the booklet with the alternative ending of Mansfield
Park, if any knows how?
Thanks for your help!!!
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Posted by Lori T on September 24, 1996 at 09:30:16:
As everyone else here, I truly enjoyed the P&P production on A&E
done by the BBC and I am aware of the Emma production that will
be broadcast in February.
Does anyone know if the BBC intends on producing any more of
Jane Austen's works?
Also, does anyone know the length of Emma - will it be six hours
(with commercials)? I hate it when they cut out some of the best
parts for pruposes of time.
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